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The Big and Dandy DMT Thread

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well Id obviousely respond if you asked now.


I think youmay realy be a weirdo... dont touch my shoes.
 
well, it's more like i'd just prefer someone on my list that's just a double click away if i think of a question, and if they aren't online then i can wait.. but more often than i'd like questions i post on forums go unnoticed, and no one likes a bumper. it's just a personal preference man, if im having a 1 on 1 it's a lot easier to go in-depth among other things.

at the moment i don't have any questions, if anything id just like to discuss your experience with it.
 
sodiumglow said:
What's the secret to breaking through, I seem like I'm kind of on the verge, the classic chrysanthemum pattern dancing on my wall with what seems like little pin pricks of light starting to poke through, and then before I know it I'm back on my way to baseline. What am I doing wrong?
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Have a good hit, ie 50mg, and keep your eyes closed...
 
Arzi said:
I don't know what to say...but for you to experience that and acknowledge it and be able to talk about it is profound! i think you must be strong person because something like that does not sound like anything i would wish to get into :)
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Nah it's like trying to remember a very vivid dream, you form mental reference points, it's prety easy o verbalise. There is alot about the experience that was much more distubing, I just have difficulty accessing those memories.
 
willow11 said:
Its weird- reality is seen as something we 'receive' from external stimulus, but when we talk of things such as 'entities', elves etc. (hallucinations), its always considered to be something generated from within ie. not real. One of the two theories is right but not both. Either we generate the world via our conciousness, including all hallucinations, or we recive reality from an external source, which includes external hallucincations. I don't see why its so hard for people to accept the chance that DMT does in fact allow our brains to perceive other worlds, parted from this by only the sheerest veil....It seems more likely then my brain sponaneously creating such visions to me at least.
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Your perspective is from within by default. By definition, subjective experience requires a subject. I'm not going to make a solipsist argument here. I'm merely saying that you are more or less confined to your senses, memories, and subconscious. Considering this, it seems very unlikely that these entities are external to your mind.

Your mind forms a representation of reality through your senses, but this is still only a representation ... subject to distortion and outright hallucination. Your dreams, for example, are completely from within. Why is it difficult to believe that DMT doesn't behave somewhat similarly? Any other explanation would be hugely at odds with any rational interpretation of reality. Occam's razor points convincingly to one answer. I must say that the internal nature of these entities doesn't make them any less interesting to me.
 
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I'm fairly certain as we understand the brain a bit more these types of mental phenomena (entity contact on HT psychedelics) will be explained with neuropsychology, if not neuroscience proper. Positing an external entity (which does not cohere with any accepted theory of reality) seems like a viable choice now simply because we do not fully understand the way the mind is correlated to the brain (yet).

There is already the rough sketches of how these types of phenomena can be accounted by neuropsychology.

This is not to attempt to reduce the beauty, grandeur, or magnificence of spiritual transcendent states. It is just to place them in their proper place, as part of the biological processes the brain conducts.

How wonderful our brains are!
 
I think these so called entities are the same things that shamans and priest could evoke and control in the old days. We have no culture of guidance on these trips so they appear to be random things from our culture, elves and things like that. But if we were in a culture that imprinted our brains from birth with cultural entities we would see the ones that were imprinted on us such as Hindu deities Buddha deities, ect. We have T.V as our biggest imprinting tool and that’s where most of the things in our thoughts come from for most of our culture. So who controls the entities now days Disney? Pepsi? Are the deities real? I think they can control events and actions in this realm of reality that intertwines with our existences and that makes them real. I’m sure a lot of people can describe them in terms of nero science or what ever the mythology of their culture will support.
 
willow11 said:
Its weird- reality is seen as something we 'receive' from external stimulus, but when we talk of things such as 'entities', elves etc. (hallucinations), its always considered to be something generated from within ie. not real. One of the two theories is right but not both. Either we generate the world via our conciousness, including all hallucinations, or we recive reality from an external source, which includes external hallucincations. I don't see why its so hard for people to accept the chance that DMT does in fact allow our brains to perceive other worlds, parted from this by only the sheerest veil....It seems more likely then my brain sponaneously creating such visions to me at least.
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consider this:
Smoke some DMT in an area, such as a desert, which is totally devoid of life.
Then do the same thing in a forest or near a lake, river or inner city, or anywhere with an abundance of life.
Compare the trips.... Report back.

From D.M. Turner


When I began smoking N,N-DMT my experiences over the first few months were bright, positive, enjoyable, and ever touching new dimensions. Some aspects of certain experiences had been quite frightening. However, the scary episodes only led to a deeper understanding of myself and the realms to which DMT introduced me.
After about four months of use I began to lose some of the rapport I had experienced with DMT, accompanied by a reduction in the frequency of my use.

Shortly thereafter I took a vacation to Arizona with plans to take psychedelics while backpacking in several desert areas. The first leg of my journey brought me to the vicinity of Mt. Lemon, just south of Tucson. This was to be my first experience smoking DMT in the Southwest, and I was anticipating an experience as magical as my previous trips in the desert.

However, the results were entirely different than what I'd expected, and completely unlike any of my previous DMT experiences. I felt a deep fear which is hard to speak of. I sensed the presence of death, despair, and loneliness. I felt haunted by some mysterious evil, and I thought of the word "spooky" to describe the unsettling feeling this experience left me with. The feeling of "enchantment," which is normally delightful on DMT, had become something sinister. And I was quite baffled as to how this occurred.
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could it be that when you smoke dmt the entities you encounter are the living energy personified (if you can call it that) surrounding you???
 
I have one of those glass tube pipe things for vaporization purposes. Can someone tell me the proper procedure for vaporizing DMT. How close do I hold the lighter (it's a jet lighter), how long do I hold it there? when do I know to inhale? Do I need to keep turning the glass tube as I here is done for meth?

Also, can extracted DMT be less pure and does it therefore require larger doses. A friend told me that 200 mg of a particular and hypothetical extracted DMT was equivalent to 1 strong dose or 3 light ones, but I have read on Erowid that ~40mg constitutes a good dose. Can anyone shed any light?
 
Hewhomustnotbenamed said:
I have one of those glass tube pipe things for vaporization purposes. Can someone tell me the proper procedure for vaporizing DMT. How close do I hold the lighter (it's a jet lighter), how long do I hold it there? when do I know to inhale? Do I need to keep turning the glass tube as I here is done for meth?

Also, can extracted DMT be less pure and does it therefore require larger doses. A friend told me that 200 mg of a particular and hypothetical extracted DMT was equivalent to 1 strong dose or 3 light ones, but I have read on Erowid that ~40mg constitutes a good dose. Can anyone shed any light?
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to vape it, just hold the lighter close without touching, it will puddle up into an oil and start to boil as vapors come off, inhail those, twril it if needed.

as for purty, it realy depends , Iv had spice that 30mg would be THERE while other that would need at least 75-100mg for teh smae experience. But then again Iv done alot of DMT and Iay just be seeing liek all psychedelics it realy just depends frm experience to experience in it's varrability of effects.
 
Hewhomustnotbenamed said:
I have one of those glass tube pipe things for vaporization purposes. Can someone tell me the proper procedure for vaporizing DMT. How close do I hold the lighter (it's a jet lighter), how long do I hold it there? when do I know to inhale? Do I need to keep turning the glass tube as I here is done for meth?

Also, can extracted DMT be less pure and does it therefore require larger doses. A friend told me that 200 mg of a particular and hypothetical extracted DMT was equivalent to 1 strong dose or 3 light ones, but I have read on Erowid that ~40mg constitutes a good dose. Can anyone shed any light?
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Its an art. Don't get it too hot. Don't use that jet lighter. Use as regular lighter, flame held far enough away so that it just barely vaporizes. Let the vapor build up a little to cool and inhale very slow. DMT does not like to be burned. I have had the feeling of the entities being extremely angry with me because I let the flame touch it and ruined some of it. IMO continued smoking seems to only go so far. Its like it lures you in with sort of a bait and switch. It shows you what it can do at first but then holds back. What it really wants is for you to consume it orally.

A close friend, D.M. Turner, and myself have all drawn this same conclusion. I don't think it was ever suggested to me, or heard of it so I don't think its a power of suggestion thing.
 
Smoking DMT is an art. I think taking hits in a row with out taking a breath maximizes the intake effectiveness. Also to get a breakthough you are letting your self go in a trance, so you have to relax, breath deep..awawwzzzzzz
 
I've certainly dosed over 100mgs quite a few times, though I can't remember much. I assume my product was quite impure, and I tend to just pack large eyeballed bongs...
 
cLOUDDEAD said:
well all of the above has been my life for about the past month or two. infact i almost feel like im going insane with how much i contemplate life, the universe and everything.
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I've only stumbled across one other person in my life, besides myself, who questions his own sanity because everyday reality falls apart so quickly when you put some thought into it. He's also clearly one of the sanest individuals I've ever met. I think it's a really good sign about a person. :)
 
willow11 said:
I've certainly dosed over 100mgs quite a few times, though I can't remember much. I assume my product was quite impure, and I tend to just pack large eyeballed bongs...
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I'm going to experiment with this....something about bongs....I love the idea of one HUGE rip...but, I've been told that it is wasteful. I've experienced very good effects lacing a joint with DMT, but its hard to tell about 'breakthrough' doses, as when you put a bit in a joint, you're not looking to breakthrough, just looking to sparklethrough.

Anyways, the friends I'm moving in with imminently have a bong, so I imagine we will be extracting and taking huge rips of DMT very near in the future.

Question to Willow (or anyone else): Do you notice that you need more in bongs compared to by other (more efficient) methods?

I have a theory, that the bong allows you to deliver a LOT of DMT very quickly to your system, and this makes up for the fact that you may waste a bit by burning it (or having it crystalize on the bong wall). I really think tolerance comes into play in a matter of seconds for DMT (this is why injection is so efficient and you only need 20-25mg for a breakthrough).
 
^^ Dude, if you're in Aus then there's little worry with 'wasting' it anyway, 50mg of yellow/tan crystal should do the trick nicely. The only thing I find is that if you burn it too hot those critical few seconds before you break through can be a bit hairy, it tends to be more gentle with a lower flame temperature. Some people say weed interferes with it, prefer just tobacco, can't say I've noticed myself though
 
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