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The Big and Dandy DMT Thread - The Fourth Dimension

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^ good advice.

i may want to try it out myself as smoking it turns me off lately due to harshness/taste
And i have a fear of injecting plant material.

So perhaps MAOI's are the way to go.

Roger have you tried it personally?
I know it supposed to be different than DMT on its own, but how different? In what ways?
 
^Actually, I have some b. caapi on its way right now. I haven't tried changa yet, personally -- I'm in the same boat as you, though, the smoke is just too harsh for me at this point. Especially combined with habitual weed smoking, my lungs are like "WHAT DID WE DO, BRO?!?!" haha.

I'm probably just going to melt down my spice in a makeshift double-boiler and drop some caapi leaves in there, so I have some infused leaf. I'm guessing thats probably the best way to go about it.
 
b caapi is the way to go

you might also think about trying to extract the harmaline alkaloids and predose with some of those (maybe 200mg orally an hour or so before smoking?).

it will change the trip.

if you've smoked DMT and also smoked MET and DPT then you'll know how exactly it changes things. The latter are much more wavelike as your brain recycles the drug a couple 'waves' (or passes). Eventually the drug is excreted. DMT is like one wave because the body is very efficient at excreting the drug from its system. In and out.
 
I'm probably just going to melt down my spice in a makeshift double-boiler and drop some caapi leaves in there, so I have some infused leaf. I'm guessing thats probably the best way to go about it.
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I think there isn't enough MAOI in the leaves. Usually the vine is used.
 
All I've got to say at this time is:

Jesus fucking christ, and his goddamned pogo-stick...

wow.... I'm literally lost for words... just "came back", and this was one of the most awesome things ever... :) :) :)
 
DMT, isn't that the substance naturally produced by the body durring REM sleep? how do you make the stuff anyway? not that i need instructions, but do you get it from plants, or what?
 
yes, plants; it's very easy, poke around here and on other sites and you'll come up with a tek in no time

and welcome to a fellow head
 
Crowing said:
Hey everybody, I am new to Bluelight and this is my first post. For a long time now i have been very interested almost to the point of obsession with DMT. I have considered extracting it or even purchasing some for myself and a friend of mine who is equally as interested. The only problem I face is my asthma.

The one thing stopping me from experiencing Hyperspace is my asthma. Sometimes it can be really bad and other times not so much. I hear that after a trip you can have severe asthma attacks and that the smoke is extremely harsh. I have a fear of needles and I do not really want to inject the stuff into my body. I

The bottom line is that I need to know if taking DMT is worth the risk of my asthma. I really want to explore it, but not at the cost of a trip to the hospital and/or death. So, I am asking you

Yes or no to DMT?
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I have had asthma my entire life.

I would say that smoking DMT would not be a good idea if you are experiencing asthma symptoms at the time. I have smoked DMT hundreds of times and I do not believe that it makes my asthma worse, but I have noticed that if I am having asthma issues it will intensify them; as a result I have a hard time getting a large enough dose.

If your asthma is under control I would say go for it, use the cleanest DMT you can (recrystallization will be your friend) and smoke out of pipes that make the smoke taste less harsh (see the machine for more info, im sure you already have tho).

When I first started smoking DMT I thought it was something that everyone should experience (bar none)... now I know that it is not for everyone, HOWEVER I would NOT let asthma hold you back from experiencing dmt (particularly a break through experience).

So go for it when your feeling healthy, happy and in the mood. Dont forget to report back and let us know how it goes! <3 <3 ;)
 
questions about maoi + plugging/smoking dmt

Recently did the ayahuasca thing (never again, jesus that tea tasted like shit8o , lol). I've got a weak stomache and have never been much for puking anyways, so I have the dual worry of discomfort (negligible in light of the benefits), and worry about not getting enough product. For reference, last time I had about 30 fl. oz. of mimosa tea (roughly 10 g. mhrb), got down three big gulps, and puked about 5 mins. later. While I know that was partly due to the quantity of liquid (underestimated the foul taste), I doubt I'd be able to hold it down long enough to get the full dose. Note the problem wasn't with losing the maoi, I held that until the little dmt I got into my system before I puked triggered the infamous purge (a separate puking event from the first taste based puke). A funny anecdote is that I had drank the maoi as fluid as well, but only the dmt came up the first time. Literally, three mouthfuls of puke, lol;) .

So, with all that pretext done, here's my question. If you take the maoi orally, then plug/smoke the dmt do you get the same effects duration as an oral maoi/dmt blend? The reason I don't just smoke it is I want to have it stretched out over a longer time than a few minutes, so there is a better chance of remembering the full trip and being able to integrate it all. I think you would, since the maoi should be systemic (in the brain preventing destruction of the dmt by mao as well as in the gut), but I'm not sure. Also, would the type of maoi effect this? (I'm using a syrian rue cw extraction)
 
Never tried it myself but an MAOI supposedly prolongs smoked DMT - to about 10-20 mins. It will prolong the rectal route too.

If you're using extracted DMT why not just mix it with cola? The DMT phosphate salt is tolerated by the body a lot better than freebase so the nausea is often mimimal.

But that assumes the MAOI is a nausea-free one like moclobemide - if you're using syrian rue then you'll probably be puking up pigs in a blanket like a sick fucking dog whatever way you ingest the DMT.
 
Rofl, isn't the first time I've been called crazy, but I can live with it :) What I'd primarily want to do is smoke, but it doesn't sound like that is possible. Does anyone know what the difference in metabolizing dmt is between the oral route and all the others? It's strange that oral administration is the only way to get a 1+ hr effects time. But thanks for the info about the phosphate salt.

Also, I dont want to ask for sources, but is there a plant with moclobemide in it or something? Or do you guys just make a doctor for a prescription? Moclobemide would be my ideal maoi but it's RX only here in the states.
 
Smoking seems to last about 5-10 minutes for me.

Smoking with MAOI, my favorite so far, has a 2-3 minute come up with a 20-30 minute plateau and a 20 minute comedown to somewhat real space. Feeling totally sober by about T+1:30. This is with about 150mg of rather pure Harmaline HCl.

Oral with MAOI can last varying amounts. First time I did it with very little maoi and it was only a couple hours (3 hours?). Second time was with a huuuge amount of MAOI and the same exact amount of DMT and it lasted for about 12 hours. I think it might have been mostly harmaline tripping effects by the end. My last large dose of MAOI (300mg of harmaline I think) and a small amount of DMT (50mg?) lasted for about 7 hours.

Hope that helps. It's very different between smoking and oral though. Oral is rough and deeply spiritual feeling, while smoked is much more visual and easy on the body. It's hard to describe, but they feel much different. Hope this helps.
 
What do you mean by it lasting for 7 hours cegli? Is that for how long you could feel the comedown for? Surely you wern't peaking for anywhere 7 hours?
 
i cant recommend maois enough, im amazed how many DMT heads still smoke plain dmt without a maoi first, the experience is SO much better that i will never smoke the spice alone again. i think it also prevents people from abusing dmt because you dont really want to take moclobemide more than once a week (especially if you have ADD and take stims during the week like me). i have experimented with both moclobemide and cappi, and soon i will try harmine and harmaline.

also keep in mind moclobemide dose is KEY, threshold potention occurs at (maybe even below) 150mg but in order to 100% inhibit MAO-A it will require approx 375mg.
 
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