The Big and Dandy DMT thread - Next Phase

[uncomfortablepants]

there is an upswing recently with the energy DMT is giving off -

my low doses (25-35mg) have some turned into full breakthroughs -

there is an entity in a bright shining room at a table showing me things now three times -

space, time, patterns, cognition -

Yeah, I have been blown away with small doses too, under the right set and setting.

It often seems that the intensity/effects of the trip can vary greatly with little change in variables.

 

[Youkai]

I wrote a pretty good report on the waiting room if anyone cares to go read it. I brought back some real stuff for me to figure out. I think its one of the most interesting things Iv yet to experience.

 

[psood0nym]

Truely is a gift, a devine sacriment. Once a week ceremony will be held in youkais den and sacriment will be served to those who wish. No talking while others are udner, each eprson goes one at a time, no discussion untill the user initiates the intergration through discussion and leave the ego's at the door.... also no shoes! The church of the devine light is now excepting congrigation, doors are open as well as the minds eye.

I'm sure your den is nice and all, but have you considered the unparalleled sanctity and volume-to-mass ratio of an inflatable church?http://www.inflatablechurch.com/
Also, you'll need to be ordained, preferably in 24 hrs or less. Afterwards I recommend stopping buy the gift shop and ordering a Ministry-in-a-Box. At $139.99, you'd be profaning God not to buy it!
http://www.themonastery.org/?destination=ordination

 

[IGNVS]

yeah, I love spreading the light too. I wouldn't give DMT to a child, for example, but if my intuition tells me a person is ready...I believe it can only do a person good. I love seeing a person enjoy DMT for the first time; it is truly amazing.

there is a light you can spread to anyone any time anywhere by becoming light, and living your life as a representation of it. becoming the light is what im working on right now in life. Mathew 5-7 is real good to read if you understand the metaphors and the rest of what he is saying.


and to beenhead: why are you doing an a/b extraction? going stait to base is the best thing, and you dont need all that lab junk, just some jars and a turkey baster

 

[nbsp]

there is a light you can spread to anyone any time anywhere by becoming light, and living your life as a representation of it. becoming the light is what im working on right now in life. Mathew 4-6 is real good to read if you understand the metaphors and the rest of what he is saying.

it's what I'm working on, too. DMT is something I enjoy showing people, but there are many things. I love helping people, and doing good, and understanding. What roles drugs play is only a small part of that.

 

[Black]

a/b has its advantages if you know what you're doing. a friend got clear white crystals on his first precip with a/b (without recrystalization or activated charcoal; dunno if that is possible with straight to base). also not having to soak the root in lye is a definitive plus of a/b.
on the other hand you surely need less equipment for straight to base teks…

 

[IGNVS]

i would love to do a base then acid extraction. does hcl evaporate with the water or will you have a bunch of dmt that would desintigrate your veins when your done?

 

[Beenhead]

well, the H and the ClSeperade into ions and combine with DMT to make DMT hydrochloride which is harmless. I think Acid/base is the best extraction you can do, Acid first then base. If you are going to do it often ld suggest buying some basic crem equipment a generator funnel , Buchrer funnel, Vacuum pump, filter paper, and activated charcoal will help get high yields and can be had for about 70 dollars. lf those straight to base teks were better, why arent they taught in chemistry classes? I'd just go with the Qt tek on Erowid, it explains it the best and shows pictures.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I think why the straight to base teks work is because they use a massive amount of lye to unhook the DMT freebase molecule -

then they do like 5 pulls with naptha to get all the goodies-

sidequestion: what kind of safety equipment do ya'll use - I use goggles, gloves, and long sleeve shirts, though its kind of a pain in the ass, I guess its probably the wise thing to do=

 

[IGNVS]

acid base extraction would be essecial for things like accacia or anything but mimosa. the reason strait to base works with that is becasue there are sooooo few other shits that get pulled with the lye and its easy to just freeze precip crystals and keep scraping the best of the goodies until you just have a bunch of pure product.


70 bucks for a vacuum pump and all that other shit? i doubt it if you can pm me of where to get all the stuff your talking about for that cheap i would love you FOREVER

i know they separate into ions but what abot all the leftover ions that dont attach to a dmt molecule? i mean wouldnt they just go back together as it evaporates. im not going to do a bunch of stoicheometry when i dont have an amazing scale

 

[Black]

goggles and something with long sleeves that you can put off quickly (ideally a lab coat) are essential. gloves are not necessary if you have quick access to runnung water nearby. if you spill some NaOH solution over your hands and wash that off with plenty of runnung water in about 10-20 seconds the most you will get is red spots where the NaOH sol. got on your skin that go away in the next few hours. if you have no runnung water nearby, are working with NaOH the first time, are clumsy, or want to be especially cautious gloves are a good idea.

i know they separate into ions but what abot all the leftover ions that dont attach to a dmt molecule? i mean wouldnt they just go back together as it evaporates. im not going to do a bunch of stoicheometry when i dont have an amazing scale

when evaporating all excess HCl will evaporate too, so you should be left only with DMT hydrochloride (that should be slightly acidic; dunno how much).

(by the way [just to eliminate possible misunderstanding]: HCl seperating into ions will not make it harmless. aquatic solutions of HCl like muriatic acid will contain the ions and not the molecule)

 

[freespiritmind]

well, the H and the ClSeperade into ions and combine with DMT to make DMT hydrochloride which is harmless. I think Acid/base is the best extraction you can do, Acid first then base. If you are going to do it often ld suggest buying some basic crem equipment a generator funnel , Buchrer funnel, Vacuum pump, filter paper, and activated charcoal will help get high yields and can be had for about 70 dollars. lf those straight to base teks were better, why arent they taught in chemistry classes? I'd just go with the Qt tek on Erowid, it explains it the best and shows pictures.

disregard this. Sorry Beanhead...bad info....

First, DO NOT use the QT tek...it's completely shitty and outdated. If you want, it has some neat pictures you can use that might help, but what they tell you to do isn't worth it. The Marsofold Tek is an updated version of the QT tek that yields MUCH better results and is fairly easy. If you use more vinegar/soak for longer/more times (and filter the particles each time), then use slightly more base, slightly more naphtha and pull at least one more time than it says (do multiple, smaller pulls) you should get fantastic results.

The StB tek had issues around these parts, but that could have been user error.

One can use lab equipment...one can also do the entire process with a turkey baster, several glass mason jars, a measuring cup, filter and a crock pot or large pot.

 

[IGNVS]

i would also advise goggles, one time i was shaking up a small capsule that had naoh some rootbark and naptha and the capsule shattered and some of the solutions flew into my eyes. i thought i was going to go blind that day thankfluy about an hour of running bathtub water and hcl (reallll low levels) eyedrops saved me from that. burned like hell for about a week though.


ok so i got a quesition, why dont all the people that want dmt hcl to inject just do a reverse a/b extraction?

 

[Youkai]

DMT was horrible to me when I got back from a show last night. Completely made me sick, it felt like my face was bubbling off in throw up. I said "something is wrong, Im not getting high, this isnt working... its not right" and then BAM throw up everywhere in a purging style. This was smoked from the machine, the steal wool I was using was new, but I never had to roast the steal wool prior to this, someone said it may ahve been the steal that did it. I dont know. But the stuff told me no more, I had to give up on it. Nothing about it was working correctly.


this ever happend to any of you? the DMT no matter what just doesnt work right...

 

[Jabberwocky]

I've smoked low doses of DMT and nearly passed out - lost consciousness -

had to lay down with a ringing in my ears as if I was going into shock-

somewhat scary-

just take a break and come back to it - its always good after a break!

peas and carrots-
S_S

 

[freespiritmind]

DMT was horrible to me when I got back from a show last night. Completely made me sick, it felt like my face was bubbling off in throw up. I said "something is wrong, Im not getting high, this isnt working... its not right" and then BAM throw up everywhere in a purging style. This was smoked from the machine, the steal wool I was using was new, but I never had to roast the steal wool prior to this, someone said it may ahve been the steal that did it. I dont know. But the stuff told me no more, I had to give up on it. Nothing about it was working correctly.

this ever happend to any of you? the DMT no matter what just doesnt work right...

I've smoked low doses of DMT and nearly passed out - lost consciousness -

had to lay down with a ringing in my ears as if I was going into shock-

somewhat scary-

yes, I've felt sick and seen it happen to others. Other times on a small dose I've felt like I was almost poisoned or something, then later took a much larger dose of the same powder and had a wonderful time without side effects. Is this an effect of DMT or are there impurities in even our recrystallized stuff. I remember thinking "Fuck....what the hell, am I doing this wrong...what the hell, so much work and it's still unsafe?!?!!?"

What do you guys think this is? How dangerous is it? I've been wondering this stuff lately too if you can't tell.



p.s. use goggles and gloves! naphtha probably causes cancer after too much exposure...and you never know when a drop will go flying....

 

[Beenhead]

really, what Im doing is using my experience in Organic to exptract the DMT the best way I know how. Im using a combination of all the best info from all the teks and my lab manual "How to survive Organic Chemistry Lab" by Zubrick.


And yes, Goggles and Gloves are a must when working with large amounts of lye.

 

[Beenhead]

acid base extraction would be essecial for things like accacia or anything but mimosa. the reason strait to base works with that is becasue there are sooooo few other shits that get pulled with the lye and its easy to just freeze precip crystals and keep scraping the best of the goodies until you just have a bunch of pure product.


70 bucks for a vacuum pump and all that other shit? i doubt it if you can pm me of where to get all the stuff your talking about for that cheap i would love you FOREVER

i know they separate into ions but what abot all the leftover ions that dont attach to a dmt molecule? i mean wouldnt they just go back together as it evaporates. im not going to do a bunch of stoicheometry when i dont have an amazing scale

well you are going to have to do some stoichiometry to get the numbers right, or yes you could have some ions recombine when you use too much. all you need is a .1 gram scale to get a good approximation of molar amounts.

 

[swilow]

DMT was horrible to me when I got back from a show last night. Completely made me sick, it felt like my face was bubbling off in throw up. I said "something is wrong, Im not getting high, this isnt working... its not right" and then BAM throw up everywhere in a purging style. This was smoked from the machine, the steal wool I was using was new, but I never had to roast the steal wool prior to this, someone said it may ahve been the steal that did it. I dont know. But the stuff told me no more, I had to give up on it. Nothing about it was working correctly.


this ever happend to any of you? the DMT no matter what just doesnt work right...

Interesting....last weekend I had been smoking multi-hits of DMT; my final blast, upon which I was to lie down and drift to sleep, did nothing but make me shake and shiver uncontrollably. Really awful feeling, but I think thats what you get for wanting to use DMT in recreational ways. It may just hit you slightly wrong angle and all effects are different. I don't believe its punishmne ton the molecules behalf, but more like kyour mind insisting on sobriety. Slow down on the MDMA maybe youkai; I can assure you the elven folk don't particularly like phens, then again I don't and I may just be one of the elves telling mysELF that.

It really should be noted that while DMT is a fantastic and enchaniting drug, it can be way more powerful then you expect even for the most saesoned user. I'm straying away from those little hits that keep you in a mild trance all day, and sticking with smoking 80-100mgs each time. I feel like my brain is missing some vital protecting agent if I've been on DMT for too long, ducking in and out of hyperspace. It often, even at the ebest of times, makes me think I need to vomit- but its more like the vomiting is a symbol of something I need to release. DMT seems to direct energy towards the mouth/voice area- often if I've thought I was about to vomit, a bit of glossolalalia or DMTese seems to suffice just as equally- perhaps I convert physical sensations to acoustic enerygy somehow and emitt that way? oooohohohohohohohohoowowowowowowowowowwwwwoooooooooo. I almost always end up saying a loong string of undualting vowels.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I definitely think in your case, Youkai, your recent frequent use of MDMA has something to do with this -

I would recommend to you that you take a serious look at what MDMA may do to your personal well-being and balance and decide to cut way back on your consumption - I know you werent asking for advice, but I can't help but to give it-

peace from a friend,
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