The Big and Dandy DMT thread - Next Phase

[*Love*Lite*]

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you have the mechanics down, I hold the flame below the bottle as well as in front of the opening where the steel wool is, the key is to vaporize it, not burn it, tho sometimes the flame does touch the steel wool (doesn't taste great). You will find that DMT will try to escape the flame, running back down into the bottle even. Try tilting the neck of the bottle down when vaping it to keep the dmt in the front of the pipe but be careful not to let it drip out. You will notice that the machine will fill up with milky white vapor, breath it in, hold it in and love it.

My Machine is beginning to be covered in DMT crystals on the inside, once there are enough crystals i will just vape that up and smoke that

 

[Ximot]

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Thats a comment about the Machine

oh! I haven't been doing my homework lately. Thank you! :D

'Tis true, though, with my ordinary metal pipe I find that somehow I don't get it all in - even though it seems I go very very far - and when I light the pipe again at a later date just to smoke some grass, some residual DMT hits me...

Now I wonder if I ever did really break through... hmm... never used a Machine anyways.

 

[swilow]

just smoke it out of a bowl, works for me - bongs are even better you can get mega hits of that good ole indole lovin

Agrred. This is really only desireable when you've got a LOT of DMT. Just melt/mix it with a nice mild plant like blue lotus, passionflower or weed, and burn slowly and surely. I've packed bongs of a preparation at least 90% DMT of about 150mgs. Surely some didn't get smoked and got pulled through, but immense amounts were inhaled. I have a theory that the deep inhalaltion provided by smoking a bong/waterpipe increase the DMT's surface area in which to absorb, meaning you don't have to hold it in as long.

Xorkoth, how much did you smoke? All my first hits were 50mg plus, but it took about 5-6 to breakthrough. Now vastly smaller amounts do it.

Glad you had fun and a peaceful experience mate

 

[Youkai]

crushed mint is teh absolute BEST medium to smoke DMT, it taste good!!!!!

 

[IGNVS]

what eles have you tried it with though?

 

[psood0nym]

Wow! Quoted for awesomeness!

You mentioned the birthing process and birth trauma ... I always thought Stan Grof was a little whacky after reading his Freudian views on perinatal matrices and whatnot, but maybe there's a little more to it than I'm willing to believe. I've experienced the power of the death/rebirth cycle on psychedelics, but never anything like the actual physical process of birth.

Your report doesn't sound like some nebulous memory requiring the subjective rendering of a transpersonal therapist. Do you think there is actually some deep-seated personal memory (or proto-memory) of the actual birthing event? Or do you think there's an encoded archetypal memory that you were permitted to experience first hand?

I honestly can't imagine that the experience has anything to do with personal memory, since the brain of a neonate isn't adequately developed to record such a memory. Maybe the experience leaves an imprint of some kind, but I would never go to the lengths of Freudian interpretations. So then, what of an archetypal event? Is it possible that this experience was more than just a random dream-sequence-type event? I'm not sure what kind of answer I'm looking for here, but just wondering if you have any more thoughts on the matter.

Actually this experience isn’t the first time this has happened, only the most intense and undeniable. Nearly six months ago it occurred on 4-AcO-DMT and aMT. It wasn't until a couple months later that I read of Grof’s patient’s experience of the birth trauma, and that was a great relief. After I came out of the first trance of the first experience, I was very worried. I thought I had awakened some twisted process that most definitely should not be expressed in a healthy person. This wasn’t just strange thoughts it was my body moving in a more complex and meaningful way than I had ever experienced without my initiation. Then another wave of the experience welled up and I was completely inundated with feelings of assurance, wisdom, and a kind of inner “familial” love that expressed itself through the symbolic (visionary) and somatosensory incorporation of this newly birthed aspect of myself into my already established ego. Still, later it was disconcerting. I actually PMd Xorkoth at the time--not mentioning specifics--on the long shot that one one of his old posts in the 4-AcO-DMT thread might have something, anything, to do with my experience (it didn't).

It happened again in an almost purely physical way about 5 weeks ago on psilocin too. I had been tripping for over three hours, was on my way down, and had just finished a movie when it gripped me then in a powerful resurgence of effects. I had used both psilocin and 4-AcO-DMT many times between the two experiences without incident. Still, if I hadn’t read of Grof’s patients I don’t think I would not have said anything about any of this. In fact if I had just read about Grof and then had this happen to me I would probably attribute both Grof’s patient’s experiences and my own to being elaborate cases of psychoanalytic suggestion (but probably only as a matter of self-defensive rationalization on my part, as really that idea seems far too simplistic). Though purportedly Grof did not begin with this Jungian or Hindu-inspired framework. He adopted it in response to reports from his LSD patients.

The most sensible interpretation I can muster is that yes, there must exist deep in the unconscious mind some basic sensory or physiological memory of birth (not a declarative or reflective memory), a memory that is relived with great psychological elaboration dynamically supplied by a psychedelic at the time of its reliving. That the female physiological process of birth could also be in the unconscious mind, even in males, is harder for me to swallow. Perhaps there are genetic components of the neurophysiological initiatory architectures of birth not carried on the sex-linked X chromosome, I don’t know. But the idea that such a complex and clearly meaningful array of ideomotor movements should orchestrate itself outside of consciousness, in harmony with visionary conscious experience and in a psychologically healthy person for any weaker reason seems, to me (of course), at least as dubious.

 

[Youkai]

what eles have you tried it with though?

weed (DO NOT LIKE IT!!) parsly, ash, tobacco, straight vaped, rose pedals, sassafras leaves, rosemarry (nasty!!!!), opium and of course the absolute best ever!!!! CRUSHED DRIED MINT LEAVES!!!! Also use the mint leaves in your huasca brews on the boil downs, give sit a realy good flavor and maybe add alil honey, I know a bee keeper who every few months gives me a bottle of REAL unadulterated honey with combs, so thick and sugary, GREAT for masking the horribal taste of huasca.

 

[swilow]

what eles have you tried it with though?

Lol, I thought that said "elves". Now that would have started sone interesting debate!

Weed is not so good- dulling of Chi. Passionflower is good because its woody. Blue lotus for nice taste and extra collective unconcious access. I'll have to give it a crak with mint or salvia leaf, like the taste of salvia I do.

 

[e1evene1even]

Just melt/mix it with a nice mild plant like blue lotus, passionflower or weed, and burn slowly and surely. I've packed bongs of a preparation at least 90% DMT of about 150mgs. Surely some didn't get smoked and got pulled through, but immense amounts were inhaled. I have a theory that the deep inhalaltion provided by smoking a bong/waterpipe increase the DMT's surface area in which to absorb, meaning you don't have to hold it in as long.

I agree with your theory. I've been getting extremely high off of small amounts of cannabis for a very long time using similar mechanics. Every person I know that has ever been introduced to this method gets hooked. Its a modified "shottie". If there was "crack" version of weed this is it. I just tried using a similar method for DMT and it totally blew away the glass pipe method. There is something about the physics of this method that allows it to go deeply into the lungs, rapidly, making it more efficient.

I will try to make a proper "machine" to compare, but this is the best method I've discovered thus far, I can ingest the same amount of DMT that would take multiple hits in a glass pipe in one very concentrated hit.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Marijuana untethers your body---

 

[squerll]

I use tinfoil and chase the dragon it takes some practice but it works well for me. I have tried an assortment of glass pipes but the light bulb and the tin foil work the best for me. And I like them because I don’t have to keep some weird smoking device around that smells funny. I only need 30mgs to breakthrough 20-25 mgs is the most I can get in a hit without coughing. I don’t know how you guys do those 75mgs bong hits that would rip my lungs out. I am a cheapskate with my DMT, I know exactly how much it takes me to breakthrough so I weigh out 30-32mgs and I don’t lose any on tinfoil.

 

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This is the same with 2CT7 +DMT, which I got to try last weekend- the comeon is a lot more gentle, but it keeps coming on man! The 2CT7 I would say definitely potentiates it, but somehow it makes it much much more gentle-

its like a gentle caress rather than the slap it can sometimes be-

I'm glad you finally got around to trying this combo. I remember talking about it a while back and not really hearing much feedback from anyone else who'd done it. I know MGS says he did it but if I recall correctly he didn't adore the synergy quite like I did. What were your experiences like?

 

[Jabberwocky]

It was amazing, NBSP. You were right that 14mg plugged was PLENTY to get to a +3. In fact, the speed of the comeup was a little astonishing and I thought I had accidentally taken too much. The t7 is just a WONDERFUL compound, very colorful visuals, a lot of euphoria, and an interesting mindspace-

I found the DMT really added to the body feeling-

every hit (I took about 5 or 6 hits over the course of the night) 'untethered' my body and I felt like I was drifting in a Cosmic Ocean. My thoughts would likewise drift, minutes later I would find myself out on the limb of some very bizarre and very pleasant thought- it was very psychedelic-

I wish I could try T7 again, I would try 30mg oral, since the rectal route was a bit too fast for my liking, but alas my supply is gone now-

peace and love,
S_S

 

[Xorkoth]

^^ Nice experience... I also wish I had more T-7 (I used the last this past weekend). Although I have to say, when I tried it orally, it was much rougher on the body. Slower, yes, but lots of nausea, vomiting, and general body discomfort for hours. It seemed less euphoric as well, although that could easily have just been because nausea and body malaise aren't much fun.

And when I say vomiting, I mean really badly... I threw up probably a dozen times, within 10-15 minutes of each other, acidic vomit that left my throat scratchy. I was quite miserable for hours (this on 42mg... 30mg was better but still had that nausea element).

However, I've used it rectally a number of times and never had any nausea whatsoever, not even close.

 

[Jabberwocky]

yeah, I projectile puked about 4 or 5 times within the course of 20-30 mins -

this was at about T+30 mins or so, I started tripping within 6-7 mins of plugging it-

 

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I haven't really experimented all that much with my 2C-T-7. I took one rectal dose, which was quite potent, and a few oral doses, all on the moderate side. Never got sick, but that isn't saying much. I would like to dabble further into it, but I haven't really been feeling very enthusiastic about psychedelics lately. I will wait until the time is right.

I still have a film canister of about 250mg left from a gram I got my hands on a while back. My girl left me recently and stole my other 250mg canister on her way out the door. I hope she learns something from it. She is so lost.

 

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on the subject of helping people, and on the subject of DMT, since this is a DMT thread: I recently introduced two old friends to N,N-DMT, a few days ago. They were both apprehensive about it in different ways beforehand, but both had amazing, amazing experiences nonetheless. The one dude, especially, delved into two-toke territory on two separate occasions, and couldn't stop talking about it. I couldn't stop laughing, either. I love hearing people talk about DMT with that fresh enthusiasm that only DMT can provide.

the other chic wasn't as amusing to watch, but was still impressed. Then the next day, she declares she's quitting heroin after a habit of nearly one year. I could tell she was more serious than she'd ever been, so I loaned her $20 for a suboxone hookup she'd just found. She was about to rob her drunkard grandfather's wallet for the money if I didn't.

it's so cool to have some semblance of confidence you're actually doing some tangible good in the world. I have the problem of wanting to help every single person, often times knowing the solutions quite plainly, but being well aware many people either must learn for themselves, or are beyond help. Making use of my talents once in a while is awfully fucking refreshing with the sorry state I fear the human species is in.

 

[Recept]

I used 2C-T-7 twice, first time was with 30mg and the second with 44mg. I didn't vomit with 30mg (or if I did, it was once - can't really remember). The second time, I puked at least 5 times over the course of an hour or so; my guess is I would have puked a lot more if I hadn't smoked weed. The trip was simply Oh, would I love to get my hands on that substance again or what

 

[Youkai]

dmt-ls-dmt-ls-dmt-ls... D-d-d-d-d Devine Moments Of Truth!

 

[e1evene1even]

DMT, D.M.T. do DMT, LSD, do DMT
I am so high, I am so high, I am so high!

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