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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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Willkell420: Maybe it's because you had been having an uncomfortable and stressful time due to the aMT the whole night? I suppose your physiology could have changed since you last used aMT as well. My "typical experience" with numerous psychedelics has gone through a lot of changes over the years as my metabolism has changed.

I guess I'm skeptical of any claim that some impurities in a substance, whether through degradation or poor synthesis, really impact psychedelic experiences substantially (in so far as might be consistently measured by ratings given in a a double-blind study kind of way). The reason I am is that for these byproducts to have a substantial influence, they must have a powerful pharmacological action in doses far lower than the psychedelic they've degraded from or that they've served as a precursor for if they're going to psychologically influence experience (since impurities usually only make up a tiny percentage of a typical RC dose).

For instance, LSD manufactures have reported to Erowid that simply by putting the same LSD and the same dose on different sheets their customers will come back to them insisting on a certain print because that one was so much more euphoric or lucid than the other. It's natural to do this because physical changes we can see or smell in a substance (or what's printed on a sheet) are far more salient than our inner physiological and subconscious psychological states. We trust our ability to intuitively discriminate far more than is justified and assume that impure substance means impure subjective experiences, but except in certain special cases where impurities are shown to be active in extraordinarily small amounts I don't really see much support for our confidence in that judgment. So I guess I'm saying if you assume the negative experience was a total fluke unrelated to any intrinsic property of the aMT and next time take it in circumstances as similar to those of past positive experiences as possible you'll be far more likely to have a great experience than if you hold on to the notion that chemical degradation degrades experience.
 
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Is aMT still legal in the UK? I like to think my RC detective hunting skills are pretty good but I can't find a single place selling it online. I can find stuff that's explicitly illegal even but no aMT... still legal? cheers
 
Is aMT still legal in the UK? I like to think my RC detective hunting skills are pretty good but I can't find a single place selling it online. I can find stuff that's explicitly illegal even but no aMT... still legal? cheers

Yeah I'm pretty sure AMT is still legal in the UK.
Considering its awesomeness and legality im suprised at its scarcity on the internet.
However there are places selling it currently... keep looking ;)
 
Shit. You guys !
Can I just say something?
I've just read everything that's in link with aMT on bluelight...
Pretty interesting is the least I can say.
 
Well even a small dose (10mg) of AMT gave me a crushing headache. I wonder if it's due to withdrawal or if it's the AMT? Either way I'm a little cautious about taking it again... I don't think I'll use it again for quite some time. I have some more but I'm going to save it for when I'm generally healthier. :)
 
Xorkoth said:
Well even a small dose (10mg) of AMT gave me a crushing headache. I wonder if it's due to withdrawal or if it's the AMT? Either way I'm a little cautious about taking it again... I don't think I'll use it again for quite some time. I have some more but I'm going to save it for when I'm generally healthier.
Interesting, especially considering how uniformly positive your experiences have been with it in the past. I imagine a steady opiate habit, and especially withdrawal, could really throw the way you process it out of whack -- stupid body's need to achieve homeostasis ...
 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's the withdrawal but I'm not sure at all that it's ONLY the withdrawal. I guess we'll see sometime in the future. I was always using opiates on it before, but it was kratom and not poppies. Who knows, maybe kratom combines excellently with it? :)
 
After reading about aMT for so long, I finally got a hold of some and I'm excited to try!

I've got the freebase, and I think I'm going to go the vaped route. I just wonder what dose I should start with... Questions:

- What is the comeup like when vaped? Shambles and others have said it takes ~1 hour when vaping, but are you out of commission during that time or is it a gentle/easy ride? After 1 hour, are you at the peak or do the effects keep increasing until mid-trip?

- I'm thinking of vaping 10mg to see what it's like and then another 10mg an hour later if I feel up to it. Does that sound reasonable or is it best to vape it all in one go?

- How long does it take you to vape? I.e. is it one or two giant lungfuls of vapor, or is it a slow process, little by little?

Thanks!
 
I'd just like to know how the visual side of AMT is for people who have used it quite frequently (as in once a week a dose above 30mg)?

I know I personally haven't had visuals nearly as good as the first time, all trips after that has fell quite short in the visual department.
All I get is light burns and that sort of mescaline like colour on the world. No amazing swirls or tracing and patterns emerging out of everything.

Only downside with AMT is it's cross tolerance to tryptamines and phenylamines.

I've had various dosages; even high dosages of 80mg don't produce any of its more interesting visuals. I think I'm going on a month’s break since this is probably just tolerance.
 
s1 sold this to me as molly and a bunch of us snorted a bump and ate some wtf it was so fun to start out but later that day like 8 hours later im still fucked up and felt tripped out my puples were huge but i was deff not rolling i knew it but i didnt tell anybody els till just resently. no peak and it lasted alll day long . and after redosing i had a difficult trip where i was just fine but i was super light headed and i saw stars all around me , i hyperventallated and fell down thinking i was oding on somthing that was not mdma .... i called the person i got it from . he was like ur fine i was telling him how i was tripping out , i was fucking mad wen i found out it was amt , and not my beloved molly . just goes to show u some ppl will sell u anything to make a buck , wuts strange is we felt relly relly good at a low dose, god it frekin burned like a mofo wen we snorted it. god after that i was like fuck that guy , sell me amt as molly wtf its my fault i took his word for it
 
i dont know how pure it was either but mine was offwhite not powdery but kinda matted like it would clump together as if it were moist, we dosed it out like it was molly ... so each dose was 100mgs give or take i only had a 0.0 scale, tasted bitter like mdma nothing els i couldnt see crystals or anything like that . wen i did it i started with eating 60 mgs and a bump via nose let me tell u that shit hurt so bad but me and my friend instantly fellt good as hell . thinking it was mdma i was amazed how strange i felt but i noticed i wasnt feeling as good as if i took a tab witch would make sence sence i find out it was amt!!!!!!!

everybody loved it , but me and some more experiaced ppl were like somthing is wrong with this "molly" it was totally new feeling to me as far as rolls go i had never had true molly before so i was like well idk i it better or same wtf , everybody loved it but i think it was the plasibo effect we thought it was molly witch were im from dont ever cum around unless ur rich
 
I have worked my way up from 5 to 60mg doses. Tomorrow im going for a 80mg dose with plenty of mj thrown in...

Anyone have any good/bad experiences at this dose?
 
I'd just like to know how the visual side of AMT is for people who have used it quite frequently (as in once a week a dose above 30mg)?

I know I personally haven't had visuals nearly as good as the first time, all trips after that has fell quite short in the visual department.
All I get is light burns and that sort of mescaline like colour on the world. No amazing swirls or tracing and patterns emerging out of everything.

Only downside with AMT is it's cross tolerance to tryptamines and phenylamines.

I've had various dosages; even high dosages of 80mg don't produce any of its more interesting visuals. I think I'm going on a month’s break since this is probably just tolerance.

I've never found AMT to be more visual than the way you described, a mescaline-like enhancement of color and beauty, and haloes around lights, and occasionally some shifting shadows at most.

I have worked my way up from 5 to 60mg doses. Tomorrow im going for a 80mg dose with plenty of mj thrown in...

Anyone have any good/bad experiences at this dose?

When I used to use AMT a lot I used 70-80mg for a dose and didn't experience problems. If you have experience with 60mg and you didn't feel on the edge of danger, you should be okay to go up more. 80mg is a pretty large amount to jump up, but you know what's best for you probably.
 
I've never found AMT to be more visual than the way you described, a mescaline-like enhancement of color and beauty, and haloes around lights, and occasionally some shifting shadows at most.
It's interesting; there have been times where I was using aMT at the same psychedelic doses, say 60 mg, when I've been hit with strong visuals, despite the fact that the trips during when I got so many visuals and ones when I didn't were equally free on tolerance issues. One friend of mine had the most powerful visual experience of his life on 60 mg of aMT (OEVs pulsing in time with the music, which prompted him to listen to Modest Mouse's "The View" four times in a row while he rolled around on the floor laughing).
 
After reading about aMT for so long, I finally got a hold of some and I'm excited to try!

I've got the freebase, and I think I'm going to go the vaped route. I just wonder what dose I should start with... Questions:

- What is the comeup like when vaped? Shambles and others have said it takes ~1 hour when vaping, but are you out of commission during that time or is it a gentle/easy ride? After 1 hour, are you at the peak or do the effects keep increasing until mid-trip?

- I'm thinking of vaping 10mg to see what it's like and then another 10mg an hour later if I feel up to it. Does that sound reasonable or is it best to vape it all in one go?

- How long does it take you to vape? I.e. is it one or two giant lungfuls of vapor, or is it a slow process, little by little?

Thanks!

I find that for the hour after vaping I am quite drowsy and have even dozed off during that period sometimes. I also get drowsy after taking shrooms whilst waiting for them to kick in so maybe it's just something I'm prone to on tryptamines... although that's obviously gonna be a bit of a generalisation. It feels fairly similar to the wait for mushrooms to take effect for me though.

After that first hour I perk up quite noticeably and the energy and euphoria start to build but still takes a good while to reach the peak and even longer for the more psychedelic edge to kick in. Duration seems to be surprisingly similar to other ROA for me but some report it being quite a bit shorter for them.

I usually chase it on foil - smoking in a pipe or whatever is probably far too hot with the direct flame and burns it rather than vaporising it - and it goes down easy enough. Not vast amounts of smoke and not tiny wisps either. I have staggered my vaped doses before and it has worked fine for me. Probably better to get it down over a fairly short timescale if you want a more intense experience or take it a bit slower if you want it to come on in stages. Personally I find it comes on in several distinct stages even taken as a single dose but is obviously more intense that way. Never feels overwhelming to me but have never used huge doses. 25mg vaped is pretty strong for me - way stronger than the same amount orally or rectally. It feels (and I have no evidence to back this up) to be approximately twice as potent weight for weight vaped compared to oral or rectal but that is just a guesstimate and - of course - YMMV.
 
Interesting, maybe visuals are hit or miss with AMT, I thought it was a tolerance issue. The visuals I got from my first AMT trip were on par with one strong hit of acid. I wish AMT would be like that all the time, having such a clear mind state while seeing such crazy tracing was beyond funny.
 
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