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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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Xtc <3 said:
Yeah low dose AMT is pretty enjoyable and not too trippy in doses up to 10mg.
Smoked AMT might be more what your looking for, try sprinkling 5mg into a fag or a joint and see how you feel.
Works wonderfully for me :)
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that's not a bad idea but wouldn't 5mg = 15 (or so) of an oral dose? I.e. isn't it much more potent when smoked (I have the freebase) or is that not the case? Just don't want to take a hit and wind up walking back in tripping.

Hmmm, maybe a-MT is the drug I am gonna try this weekend instead of 4-Ho-MET.
 
Honestly I'd probably do that, and start with 5-7mg orally. Actually I prefer it rectally as it's smoother with about the same dosage.
 
So, if the shit smell/taste is at least in part due to skatole, is there any good way of separating the AMT from the skatole?
Going from a quick read on what Wikipedia says about skatole's odor, in very small amounts, it can actually smell flowery rather than like a shitter in an unclean convenience store. So even if most of the skatole could be removed things would be in good order.
 
Anyone ever thought about a low dose of AMT as a study aid?

Just really looking for some more motivation, struggling to really concentrate at the moment and I have no speed or MDPV to just smash through the stress wall.
 
smoking amt & other salts

Xtc <3 said:
Yeah low dose AMT is pretty enjoyable and not too trippy in doses up to 10mg.
Smoked AMT might be more what your looking for, try sprinkling 5mg into a fag or a joint and see how you feel.
Works wonderfully for me :)
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SWIM used to do this many many years back when this material was more widely available. Then read on a board somewhere (can't remember where) that this poses a potential health danger. Would vaping be an option? I seem to read that salts that release bad stuff when burned can often be vaped safely & with very similar (or even better) dose/response curve.
 
xoqqiy axlotao3al said:
SWIM used to do this many many years back when this material was more widely available. Then read on a board somewhere (can't remember where) that this poses a potential health danger. Would vaping be an option? I seem to read that salts that release bad stuff when burned can often be vaped safely & with very similar (or even better) dose/response curve.
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I think it's the skatole that's the problem, or at least part of the problem. It can cause fluid buildup in your lungs. Unless it has a higher heat of vaporization than AMT (doesn't look like it would, but I can't find exact numbers), then vaping won't avoid that problem.
Also, AMT is almost always in freebase form unless you convert it to a salt yourself, no?
 
^ There was a sizable batch doing the rounds last year which was sold in salt form (fumerate? can't recall offhand) but have only come across freebase myself. I always smoke AMT and have had no problems. Suspect you would have to smoke a hell of a lot of it on a regular basis for it to be an issue but couldn't say for sure.

Special Monster: Low-dose AMT is very motivational so could work for your purposes. I'd recommend doses of around 5mg for such purposes 10mg max or you end up caught in the uncomfortable hinterland betwixt tripping and sobriety.
 
Special_Monster said:
Anyone ever thought about a low dose of AMT as a study aid?

Just really looking for some more motivation, struggling to really concentrate at the moment and I have no speed or MDPV to just smash through the stress wall.
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Yes! AMT seems to work better for my ADHD then amphetamine, its perfect for this. I will be taking AMT daily again once its finally send out.
 
What would you folks say is an ideal setting for AMT? I'm not the biggest fan of raves, and have almost exclusively taken psychedelics in nature with spiritual intentions. But with AMT I want to branch out a little bit and get a little more recreational.
 
The best setting for AMT is with one or more friends new or old, outside or inside. :) It doesn't need to be too specific, just friends present as it's very social and empathic. A rave or party isn't the best idea in my opinion, though I've had fun at small house parties consisting of only my friends.
 
If you really want to get social and recreational, combine it with amphetamine. If you want to get really social, really really recreational, and increase the empathy, aMT, amphetamine, and a low to moderate dose of an opiate has worked great for me in the past (the empathy has actually cost me quite a bit of money and receiving lots of junk mail since many times I've ended up giving to a charity during the high! One time I was apartment sitting for my girlfriend using the combo and I spontaneously decided to clean her whole apartment as a surprise. It's not that I wouldn't necessarily have done it sober, it just wouldn't have been as likely to occur to me in the first place -- and she loved it, of course.)

Don't count aMT out totally for spiritual experiences, though. It's an incredible addition to other drugs, and in my experience there's no other drug except for maybe cannabis that changes other psychedelics in such a valuable way. I don't necessarily mean the combo is superior to the lone partner drug, just that aMT combos have been more successful than other combos I've tried in terms of sticking out in my mind as great, and of course it gives a positive push to a trip's proceedings without creating any feelings you wouldn't have sober. I think this is due to the uniquely slow and steady way it releases monoamines, something that most psychedelics don't do much of and that MDMA does extremely quickly and sometimes overwhelmingly -- resulting in extremely euphoric but often sloppier experiences. I've had some of the most beautiful and significant experiences of my life using it in conjunction with DPT and 4-AcO-DMT (mushrooms would probably work, too). Enjoy.
 
I can't wait for AMT to be back in stock soon so I can try it.

It sounds like it has a load of applications for me. %)
 
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Xorkoth said:
The best setting for AMT is with one or more friends new or old, outside or inside. :) It doesn't need to be too specific, just friends present as it's very social and empathic. A rave or party isn't the best idea in my opinion, though I've had fun at small house parties consisting of only my friends.
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Agreed. A house party sounds like a great setting for AMT (assuming the people there are at least somewhat cool).
 
Shambles said:
Special Monster: Low-dose AMT is very motivational so could work for your purposes. I'd recommend doses of around 5mg for such purposes 10mg max or you end up caught in the uncomfortable hinterland betwixt tripping and sobriety.
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Would that be 5mg oral? I may try this today but I did just have a intense day long trip on AMT yesterday so would it be better to let myself rest and recover fully do you reckon?

AMT no matter how many times I take it always surprises me in how it creeps up on you, it's a beautiful drug as it just lets you slip into the trip and ease the amazing visuals in so you feel completely secure and safe.

I love how it levels out as well allowing you to slip out easily letting you reflect on your trip and talk with trip partners while still in that wonderful altered perception. <3
 
My girlfriend is on 30 mg of paxil. I think that is a considerably low dose.

Is it safe for her to take AMT?

It is a mild MAOI so I am assuming it would be al right but if anyone could clarify this we are planning on dosing within the next 5 days or so.

Thanks everyone.
 
paxil is not an MAOI, it is an SSRI.

combination of a monoamine releaser (AMT, amphetamine, MDMA, ephedrine, etc) with an MAOI can kill you.

combination of an MAOI with an SSRI can kill you.

combination of a monoamine releaser with an SSRI can dull the experience or have no effect (people on SSRIs don't seem to get any effect from MDMA)

START LOW, be careful, good luck.
 
greenmeanies said:
paxil is not an MAOI, it is an SSRI.

combination of a monoamine releaser (AMT, amphetamine, MDMA, ephedrine, etc) with an MAOI can kill you.

combination of an MAOI with an SSRI can kill you.

combination of a monoamine releaser with an SSRI can dull the experience or have no effect (people on SSRIs don't seem to get any effect from MDMA)

START LOW, be careful, good luck.
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I didn't mean that paxil is an maoi I meant that AMT is a mild MAOI so I was wondering if mixing AMT (a mild MAOI) with paxil (an SSRI) would be dangerous.

Thanks for the response.

Are the MAOI effects of AMT strong enough to be of concern to mix with paxil?

Anyone on an SSRI have any experience with AMT?

Thanks in advance for any replies or insight.
 
psood0nym said:
If you really want to get social and recreational, combine it with amphetamine. If you want to get really social, really really recreational, and increase the empathy, aMT, amphetamine, and a low to moderate dose of an opiate has worked great for me in the past. I've had some of the most beautiful and significant experiences of my life using it in conjunction with DPT and 4-AcO-DMT (mushrooms would probably work, too). Enjoy.
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With AMT and amphetamines and opiates, what kind of doses of each and what routes of administration are we talking? What order should they be administered? I am extremely intrigued in using AMT to combine with other drugs and any input would be greatly appreciated.

I also have 4-AcO-DMT and DPT and I am wondering the same for mixing those with AMT. How much AMT and 4-AcO-DMT? Should they be taken at the same time? Same questions for AMT and DPT.

Thanks a lot. Any info on these combos is greatly appreciated.
 
^My average dose was probably: aMT: 12 mg intramuscularly (IM), amphetamine: 10 - 15 mg insufflated with 5 mg bumps every hour, 10 mg oxycodone rectally (RA) and/or pod tea from 2 - 3 pods with ~5 cm diameters at their widest point. A few times I've added 4 - 5 mg 2C-E injected IM at the same time as the others; I take all of these at roughly the same time (I should warn you that the addition of 2C-E with these at the same time makes for an uncomfortably stimulated half hour you'll probably want to be in a resting position for before the tension of the onset gives way to euphoria and a highly sensual trip).

For me, 12 mg of IM aMT HCL is equivalent to between 20 - 30 mg orally. My standard oral aMT dose for psychedelia is 60 mg, and this 12 mg IM dose is sub-psychedelic for me (20 mg IM is psychedelic for me). However, I feel the first alerts of IM aMT within 5 minutes whereas oral aMT takes 2 - 3 hours to feel, so if you're dosing orally adjust your times to roughly coincide with the onset of the other drug's methods of administration and duration to peak, and be mindful that IM administration is typically at least double the potency of oral for most drugs and the onset is far faster. I don't doubt that other timings of administration of these drugs would be perfectly sufficient, it's just a personal preference of mine to stack peaks.

With aMT/DPT and aMT/4-AcO-DMT I typically use 20 mg aMT IM and 50 mg DPT IM or 12 - 14 mg 4-AcO-DMT IM along with low doses of high-grade cannabis. You may want to start lower.

EDIT: I have no tolerance to any of these drugs.
 
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