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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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if i was to take ~40mg of AMT today around 4pm. How long about untill i could get to sleep?

Also would this dose be okay to take at a bar/small venue for a friends bands show or would taking a lower oral or smoking 20-30mg be more advisable for this type of situation.


thx guys.
 
Well if you want to reduce the duration, smoking is the way to go. 20-30mg seems really high, but I dunno, I'm sensitive. 10mg smoked gives me fairly good effects without overdoing it.
 
Oh no visuals. Just a pleasant body stimulation that makes me want to get up and go. For going to a bar/venue 10mg would be good for me; I wouldn't want to be into visual territory in a lace like that, but that's all a matter of personal preference.

I actually smoke 5mg in the morning before work now. It makes my day so much more positive and active. I smoked 10mg on sunday and got a shitload of wood in the house :D

It's a really good, positive and clean feeling stimulant/antidepressant but I haven't gone into visual territory with it yet.
 
So what is a good IM dose for AMT
and what would 10mg be comparable to in oral dosing?

Also why is IM betterr then oral. Ive read it several times from psoodonym but cant seem to find his posts right now.

And is IV a horrible idea?
 
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I believe psoodonym mentioned finding IM AMT less stimulating than other ROA's. Mind you, I've never found AMT particularly stimulating (taken orally or vaporized), at least not more so than any other psychedelic. The only downside that I've noticed with oral dosing is an increase in nausea, and even that can be mostly avoided by dosing with the HCl rather than the freebase.
 
Dont think IV is a great idea from what it sounds like. Sounds like its not that much better.

I'd say smoked the time was solid. It definitely stimulates more on the early side.

And for psychedelic territory for going out, 25mg probably would do you well. Depends how sensitive you are. Some people take like 40+mg to get a real trip out of this, and others 30 does it well.

Talking to a fellow BL'er recently, he had a good trip off of 75mg. Seems like a chem that requires some trial and error.
 
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I believe psoodonym mentioned finding IM AMT less stimulating than other ROA's. Mind you, I've never found AMT particularly stimulating (taken orally or vaporized), at least not more so than any other psychedelic. The only downside that I've noticed with oral dosing is an increase in nausea, and even that can be mostly avoided by dosing with the HCl rather than the freebase.
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I mentioned it as less stimulating than rectal dosing, which I found to be strange considering that it comes on much faster IM. Also of note, I've only dosed it rectally twice, and once was the acetate after mephedrone (post above). Even when the dose/response is scaled to be of equivalent intensity to other ROAs it's still stimulating early on, but not for as long. Later I get very relaxed, especially if it's combined with cannabis.

I've also noticed a massive reduction in nausea with the HCl compared to the freebase. I can't imagine why as I figured it would be converted to the HCl quickly in the stomach. I assumed it was that my metabolism had changed between using the freebase (earlier) and using the HCl more recently. Weird.
 
Does aMT typically come as the hcl or freebase? I'd imagine the freebase is not particularly soluble in water?
 
It almost always comes in freebase... in fact, I think I remember hearing that a batch reported by the vendor to be HCL was actually freebase. Plus the freebase is more potent by weight and more stable (I think).

The freebase is not soluble whatsoever in water. It will mix and form a suspension, but it will not dissolve. If you add a drop or two of hydrochloric acid or other acid, it will dissolve, after turning into the HCL. I used to that a lot, especially for rectal dosing.
 
And do it quick...

Cause if you leave the freebase in the water without converting it, it dies. Thats what happened to mine. Like 80% of it died within 20 minutes or so.
 
There was a vendor a while ago that did have hcl.
I think what i have now is Hcl. Ill test it out later when i get home by dropping a few mg in some water. Mine is entirely odorless.
It still works when smoked, though im probably wasting some that way.

DPT Hcl also worked when smoked but not as well as the freebase.

If this weekend permits i think i will try 40-50mg orally to get a full taste for it.

My one and only trial with aMT was probably 4 or 5 years ago with 45mg orally (dont know if it was hcl or fb) and i remember finding it very enjoyable.
 
Wasn't that the same vendor that mislabelled their AMT but didn't realise till they'd sent out plenty of it already, Delysyd? Possibly the same vendor involved in the "2C-B-fly" fiasco although I'm sure there were others too. Have never known of the HCl being sold anywhere but may, of course, be mistaken.
 
There was a large, now defunct (or at least sketchy) Chinese supplier that was selling the HCl about a year ago, and it was top notch.
 
It turns out what I have came as the hcl. I was planning on taking it orally anyway...it has almost no smell. Thanks for the responses.
 
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Wasn't that the same vendor that mislabelled their AMT but didn't realise till they'd sent out plenty of it already, Delysyd? Possibly the same vendor involved in the "2C-B-fly" fiasco although I'm sure there were others too. Have never known of the HCl being sold anywhere but may, of course, be mistaken.
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Same guy...

Shipped me the AMT labeled as HCl despite it being FB form.
 
Shambles said:
Wasn't that the same vendor that mislabelled their AMT but didn't realise till they'd sent out plenty of it already, Delysyd? Possibly the same vendor involved in the "2C-B-fly" fiasco although I'm sure there were others too. Have never known of the HCl being sold anywhere but may, of course, be mistaken.
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no it didnt come from the 2cb-fly guy.
i know he has freebase.

Mine came from the chinese guy that delphium mentioned. ;)

This is not one of the more recent batches.
 
Shambles is referring to the guy shipping it labeled as HCL until people complained and then he fixed it...

And that is the same guy as the 2c-b-fly. I should know, I got a package with both chemicals.
 
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