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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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I tried AMT twice, once at 40mg and another 50mg dose about a month apart. Both times I got MONSTER headaches towards the end of the trip, which put me off entirely.

You guys describe such wonderful experiences with it I’m kind off jealous in a way.

I get the same headaches with 2C-I every time . . . . There’s a bag just sitting there and it has been for years as I’m scared off by those thumping/pulsating headaches.

Never got bad affects from all the other 2C-X’s or weird Tryptamines I gobbled up back in the day.

/Semi irrelevant post.
 
^^ If you dose it rectally there will be no headache and it will be much smoother overall... or it is for me that way anyway. I get headaches at least half the time with oral dosing, but I never once have with rectal. It's far superior by that route in my opinion.
 
I can see that Coolio, but I was thinking about the combination of the two, I don't like stimulants on psychedelics at all - well at least not with a dreamy tryptaminey compound like psilocin. But now I understand :) you meant that AMT exhibits traits of both!

It surprises me you say that AMT is not taxing Shambles! Of course it's a tryptamine and I wouldn't consider purely psychedelic ones that taxing, but AMT also has a monoamine releasing aspect doesn't it? Plus the nausea, it just seems like you need to be physically fit to deal with this sort of intense psychedelic stimulation...

Uniters idea appeals to me very much, I too want to take a small dose as an anti-depressant while at the same time checking for strange reactions.
Then, at a proper time I'm thinking about 35 mg rectal how is that for a first trip-level trial after the therapeutic trial?
 
Solipsis said:
I can see that Coolio, but I was thinking about the combination of the two, I don't like stimulants on psychedelics at all - well at least not with a dreamy tryptaminey compound like psilocin. But now I understand :) you meant that AMT exhibits traits of both!

It surprises me you say that AMT is not taxing Shambles! Of course it's a tryptamine and I wouldn't consider purely psychedelic ones that taxing, but AMT also has a monoamine releasing aspect doesn't it? Plus the nausea, it just seems like you need to be physically fit to deal with this sort of intense psychedelic stimulation...

Uniters idea appeals to me very much, I too want to take a small dose as an anti-depressant while at the same time checking for strange reactions.
Then, at a proper time I'm thinking about 35 mg rectal how is that for a first trip-level trial after the therapeutic trial?
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35mg rectal was my 3rd dose. I wish I would have started at that. It was much better than the 20 and 25mg doses that I had before.
 
What do you dissolve the freebase in to take it rectally!?

It's been a while since I took it, and only at relatively low doses (~20mg). As far as I remember it felt pretty similar to MDA, and I didn't notice any real afterglow like Shambles mentioned. Maybe I should try it again :-D
 
Freebase rectally? I guess you can just take a volume of water and throw it in, then add drops of vinegar carefully just to dissolve everything... technically you're not doing freebase anymore then but I don't see the point in trying to keep it FB especially when the solvents needed otherwise are best kept out of your sweet little a-hole!
 
What is the relationship between nausea and route of administration? I would think that oral produces the most nausea.
 
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You could always dissolve the AMT in water (with a few drops of clear vinegar to form the acetate salt if it's freebase AMT) the squirt it up yer bum. Comes on faster (more speed of a conventional long lasting psychedeic like mescaline or DOM) and has less bodyload & nausea than the oral route. Herr Shambles extolls the virtues of vapourizing AMT, but can you imagine what that smell would translate to in terms of taste after inhaling a whole load of vapourized AMT. I feel confident in predicting it will 'taste like shit' =D
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Vinegar is a roger, and as you can see the ROA certainly seems to make a difference. I'm not sure about smoking it, I imagine you would get nauseous from it because it is so harsh and disgusting?
Then we covered almost every ROA I guess - railing it seems like a bad idea to me.

For completeness' sake: IM / IV also purportedly limits the nausea, but it's like that for many substances: a pure way of introducing it into your body makes for a pure effect.
 
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Ah ok. And yeah, harsh and disgusting about sums it up!

Railing it is pretty bad, not the worst, and it works.
 
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I'm not sure about smoking it, I imagine you would get nauseous from it because it is so harsh and disgusting?
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I get no nausea at all from smoking. It's not exactly sweet-tasting smoke but it's also not a lot of smoke and it's not harsh at all. Suppose the taste must linger a bit but can't say I've noticed - maybe have a doobie chaser on hand just in case :)
 
Smoked is the path of least (none yet, still increasing my vaped dose) nausea for me. The taste sucks a bit, but if you brush your teeth/tongue afterward and clean out your nose, it won't linger.
 
Will AMT dissolve well in water? I'm planning on dissolving 250mg of it in to 250ml of liquid, so 1ml will equal 1mg. Can anyone comment on the effectiveness of this method for dosing?
 
It depends: AMT freebase does not dissolve in water, but AMT salt (like AMT . HCl) does. Still, you can get the freebase to dissolve if you add drops of clear vinegar to the water and mix, add drops until it goes into solution I guess it shouldn't take much at all.
In the case you do this last thing with the freebase then technically what you are creating is also a salt: AMT acetate, only dissociated in aqueous solution of course.

But I believe that dissolving AMT *could* really limit the shelflife of it. I'm not sure though, also don't know if anyone here has any experience with keeping it for an extended amount of time.

If no one else knows, it's preferable that you don't dissolve it or at least not that much if you don't trip that often / plan on it. I figure you are asking because you don't have a scale and want to use volumetric measurement as an alternative method.
I really don't want to advise anyone to eyeball anything, and on top of it: if you didn't get your 250 mg from a friend who weighed it but from a vendor they might have given you more or less than 250 it happens often enough! But I suppose it's possible to eyeball a division of the 250 mg in two halves. That way the margin of error is not enormous and you can save half of it from degrading?
 
That 10mg dose on saturday was nice. I was working on my bike, took a break and just lied there in the field for a while. I was feeling quite euphoric. I had taken some phenibut as well.

I'm going to take 15mg this weekend. It's a great lift without getting trippy and it lasts all day. I'll stick with oral dosing for now. It seems to work fine and the long duration is nice for daytime on the weekend.

About rectal dosing of freebase; you can just put it in a gelcap, lube it up, and insert it.
 
Thanks Solipsis. It is from a vendor, I really need to get my hands on some mg scales. Another question, I hear a lot about the horrible smell of this chemical. As I'm living with my parents at the moment and I'd rather not have to explain to them why the mail smells like old people have shit themselves, is the smell so strong that it will penetrate the baggy and envelope, making the hallway smell bad?
 
Not at all.

I can't smell mine through the baggie. I had an open bag while I was weighing and I didn't notice any smell. I didn't put my nose right up to it either, but just having it around isn't going to smell.
 
The freebase is rumored to reek worse though... my AMT can be smelled through the baggie and is probably the most penetrant odour of my chemical collection, but the shit-aspect of it is WAY overstated by people. And it doesn't spread across the room either, maybe just a little bit if you open the bag. Most of all it smells like a tryptamine, but it's hardly disgusting at all. Although I must say that there is something about it that reminds of fertilizer, not really dung per say but more chemical. It's an interesting odor and I have let my thought wander over it when I smelled it.
When I received it though, I was surprised that there was so much fuss over the stench: the grossness and spreading-hazard and sh*t.

All in all, I really wouldn't worry about it getting across the hallway but an extra baggie couldn't hurt i spose.

Last to mention: it appears that some syntheses of some compounds can yield a much intenser smell than others (can you say mephedrone?), indicating that there is a byproduct in it that has a superpotent odour. It *could* be the case that AMT smells but some precursor or byproduct smells much worse - so it might depend on the qualitees of yer product ;)
 
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For really?
Hmm, ok add credit to stinky byproduct theory, subtract credit from stinky freebase theory...
Mine is the HCl I think (bought it as such), fwiw...
One of these days I will basify a little, thereby checking that.

Somehow I find the vendor I got it from legit despite the fact that they got a molecule pic
wrong on the site (I know it was just a bit careless rather than incapable) and their DPT
was *really* brown. Though when I basified that it stayed brown. They claimed that this
product is actually not of inferior quality. Dunno what's up with it?

(ok pulling back again from the boundaries of vendor discussion!)
 
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I will get some AMT the next days. will start low with 15-20 mg. just to brighten the day;)

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nasir~ said:
there is no HCl available from the common vendors right now.

two wellknown RC-suppliers labeled their AMT as "HCl".
both were not aware of the fact that they actually got the freebase.

one of the shops corrected their description/mistake and they now state their AMT as [EDIT/of course freebase]freebase[EDIT].
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it's really easy to test if you got HCl or freebase.

i'm pretty sure the vendor you're talking about also got the freebase but mislabeled it as HCl.
 
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