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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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psood0nym said:
I have tried vaporized freebase aMT to test it out fairly recently. I only used 4mg, though, so it probably wasn't enough. It was also while using a small dose of Adderall (incredible combo), so it's hard to give my judgment. It mostly just seemed like extra stimulation at that level. I was surprised how much noxious vapor was produced from such a small amount, and so so long as there's no potency increase or a substantial qualitative difference I'll probably just stick to IM.
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Once again, much interesting info in your post, Psood0nym - thanks :)

Only part of it I can comment on so far is the vaped bit. For me, dose is around 20-30mg, comeup around 60 minutes and the duration is not much reduced from oral or rectal dosing - well over 12 hours, for sure. Closer to 20, for me... although I like to add LSD and/or MDMA to AMT for the funnest of funtimes which may well distort that figure.

I don't mind the duration at all, it's the comeup and bodyload I dislike from other methods. IM appeals on that basis but seems short to me for AMT. There are, of course, many times that would be a bonus so it has been noted ;)
 
delsymfan said:
Thanks for the IM reports. I personally was thinking about something like 15-20mg. That helps me get a feel for it.

When you say the stimulant effect increases relative to the psychedelic feel, would you say that you get LESS visuals and less mental trip? With a 20mg dose were you still seeing tons of rad visuals and stuff?

I just dont want to change the nature of the trip too much. I really liked my Oral trip. I just would like to trip a little more efficiently if possible.
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I would say it is less psychedelic relative to euphoria when comparing IM to oral, but the psychedelia isn't that different. Perhaps that's because I've never had many visuals from it (except during a few isolated cases of 60mg of the freebase, oral) and have never found aMT to have much of a mental trip beyond what I derive from a sense of floating in my body at higher doses. If you get a mental trip from oral you'll get it from IM. I have a friend that get's lots of visuals from it, though. These days I use lowish non-psychedelic doses for functional empathy and euphoria, and combine a psychedelic 20mg IM dose with a more powerful psychedelic (faves for this are DPT and 4-ho/AcO-DMT) to channel the power of the latter toward ecstasy and empathy. AMT is invaluable to me in this second regard. For me, 20mg aMT fades into residual stimulation and sleep with diphenhydramine is possible about 10 hours after injection. YMMV.
 
Gotcha. Yeah I had a very visual trip last time and it wasnt even that huge a dose I figure. And mentally I did find myself altered enough to enjoy it.

Should be interesting. I'll probably try vaping first, then putting into liquid and going from there trying other ROAs.
 
has anybody had good experiences with ROA Nasal of Amt. im thinking about trying 5mg that way since its my prefered route.

any thoughts on that. thx
 
I think it would be seriously revolting. I imagine it would be like snorting powdered dogshit :D

I wouldn't do it myself but have heard that a few people have. No idea about dosage or difference in effects, I'm afraid. From what I've heard that smell lingers longtime when snorted though...

Personally, I'd recommend plugging it if its the HCl and plugging or vaping it if it's freebase. I'm not a fan of oral AMT but many are. Let us know if you do go the nasal route cos I've seen very little about that method. I suspect there's good reason for that though ;)
 
I've snorted AMT a few times. It burns, BAD, for like 20 minutes and feels like it's dissolving your nasal membranes. The effects come on faster, though it still takes well over an hour to peak, and like 20 minutes to even start really coming up. The duration is shorter, but not by a lot, and the dose is reduced a bit from oral, but not as much as you'd think. 5mg snorted would have only slight threshold effects. You're better off just taking it orally, at at least 20mg, but better at 25-30 to start. Or you can take it at the same dose rectally, for a smoother come-up and a lot less bodyload.
 
What do you guys think is the ideal setting for AMT? Because the euphoric side of it makes me think of social party-like situations but the trippy side more like peacefulness.

By the way there is a slight chance that I will go for I.M.
I'm considering it as a worthwhile route of admin in general. Supposedly if you get over the stigma and get your technique straight it's actually better in most ways, don't know if thats all correct?
 
I'm always nervous about doing almost anything IM for some reason. Which is odd as I have no problem doing it with ket and no problem IVing virtually anything. If product is pure and you do things as cleanly as possible (complete sterility is probably unlikely as most drugs don't come in sterile vials :\) then it does seem to be a reasonably safe option.

Infections from IMing stuff are no fun though so that's always a slight concern for me. And I've just always been an IV man - IM just feels riskier to me somehow - but it's probably just familiarity with other options. Not sure I'd be up for IVing AMT and it's less than ideal for most other psyches too though :\

As for settings for AMT, I've actually had plenty fun just pottering about on my own doing nothing in particular. Very well-suited to party time - especially if you want a long-laster - but I enjoy it all on me lonesome too. Does have that MDMAesque desire to be around people and spread the luuurve, for sure, but can be great in a number of situations. Low doses are great for day to day use - but probably not all the time unfortunately :\

PS: <3<3<3 AMT <3<3<3

There were far to many :\ in that post so had to balance it :D
 
There is a certain vendor who has recently changed the AMT they offer from Hcl to freebase. I received an order not long before they made this switch and think that I may have the freebase instead of the HCl(mine is labled HCl). I tried dissovling the AMT in DI water at 5mg/ml and it wouldn't fully dissolve even with warming of the water and stirring. After a week or two crystals had reformed on the inside of the container. I tried it at 20, 25, and 35mg rectally with very good effectiveness before realizing that it may be freebase.

What do you think the odds are that I got the freebase? What's the simplest method do determine which form I have besides trying vaping? Would the freebase form be active rectally?
 
freebase: 174.24 g/mol

HCl salt: 174.24 + 36.5 (HCl) = 210.74g/mol

174.24/210.74= .08268 (~83% )

For a 30mg dose of freebase if you have the HCl salt: 30/0.83= 36mg

30mg dose of HCl salt if you have freebase: 30*0.83= 25mg
 
The freebase form is definitely active rectally. I think that, really, freebase is probably preferable. I'm not sure why there has been so much HCL recently. Perhaps due to increase in weight when changing to HCL?
 
Xorkoth said:
I'm not sure why there has been so much HCL recently. Perhaps due to increase in weight when changing to HCL?
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there is no HCl available from the common vendors right now.

two wellknown RC-suppliers labeled their AMT as "HCl".
both were not aware of the fact that they actually got the freebase.


one of the shops corrected their description/mistake and they now state their AMT as [EDIT/of course freebase]freebase[EDIT].
(thanks to delsymfan, i guess;) )
 
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I guess I will have to test if the AMT I got recently is also mislabeled as HCl then. The vendor still seems to state it as such, though initially they put the molecule of DPT next to it. Probably wouldn't be extremely confusing but the webmaster changed it on my advice... bunch of amateurs.

Is the freebase not significantly less stable by the way? For storage it sounds superior but I'm probably off with this one ;)
 
24 mg= Hydromorph- contin

24 mg= Hydromorph- contin- took it for pain but now using something else...
I guess in our Area, Atlantic Canada, they go for what $40
not sure but who knows , any one?:)
 
Delsyd said:
so 25mg of freebase= 30mg of hcl

so freebase is more potent, making it more preferable.
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Yep, you got it :)

Sorry for the mess of numericals, It's just how I figure these things out ;)

If you have freebase; multiply the desired HCl dose by 0.83 to get the corrected freebase dose. If you have HCl, divide the desired freebase dose by 0.83 to get the corrected HCl dose.
 
bbx4 said:
Cool! Thank you very much. That is what I shall be doing then. I found piracetam before MDMA didn't so much increase the euphoria as level it if that makes any sense. It just made the whole experience smoother. I hope it has the same effect with AMT.

With AMT I am at times struck with that MDMA-esque, breathless euphoria but it is very brief and seems to come on randomly. I am hoping the piracetam will level things out.

I will post my thoughts on it after I try it. By next Wednesday probably.
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Ok, here's a follow up on my experiences with the piracetam and AMT combo:

I tried it a couple times since I posted last. Both times I followed Xorkoth's advice and dosed the piracetam 45min to an hour before the AMT.

The first time I ended up throwing up much more and much earlier into the trip than I normally do. I think the piracetam kinda upset my stomach and with the addition of AMT I couldn't handle it. I must have thrown up some of my dose because it did not feel nearly as strong as it should have (I took 70 mg).

The second time I tried it I smoked a lot of weed on the comeup and also took some pepto bismol pills. I just sat on the couch and remained motionless and the weed made any nausea go away. I didn't throw up and around and 1 and half to 2 hours into I knew I wasn't going to because I could feel the peak effects arriving.

My subjective experience with piracetam before AMT is that it will not make the experience any stronger but will make it more clear-minded and euphoric. It did not seem to have any effect of visuals. My AMT trips with piracetam seemed more speedy than my trips with AMT alone.


Anyways I don't know if I would recommend piractam before AMT because it did make me more nauseous. But if you don't mind getting really stoned before your trip starts I would say it was worth it.
 
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