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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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I know it's less stable in solution, but liquid measurement seems like the best way to measure out doses without access to a highly accurate milligram scale, especially for the lower end of the dosage range. So, two questions:

1. Has anyone actually left some fumarate in solution long enough to degrade noticeably? If so, how was it stored and how long did it last before it started to seem noticeably weaker?
2. What solvent(s) work best? Is it pretty soluble in water/ethanol?

The easy way, as I see it, would be to mix up a few doses' worth of solution at a time (probably 100mg, as I don't like relying on cheapo gem scales for any amounts smaller than that), and keep it around until it's used up. The pain-in-the-ass method to avoid instability issues would be to liquid measure it all into a bunch of 10mg doses to be gelcapped, but the thought of measuring out, evaporating, scraping and capping dozens of individual doses at once seems like not very much fun.
 
I already have access to the best scale I'd be able to afford anyway, a cheapo gem scale. I want to measure small doses within 1mg or so accuracy, and the only way to do that reliably without some very expensive hardware is liquid measurement. Why spend a ton of money to have *almost* as much accuracy as I could get with an oral syringe and some distilled water?
 
well, I had a 0.01 scale before and for making a solution for liquid measurement I usually used 200mg+.
now I have a 0.001 scale for ~50$ and with that one I don't even bother with stuff like 2c-i or 4-aco-dmt to measure it out directly (>15mg).
If it has to be a little bit more accurate* I'd probably use an amount around 50mg to bring in solution.
for me it was alway a pain in the ass to have a ton of good material in solution and degrading...


*imo it's a little bit "anal" to bitch about +/- 1-2mg anyway.. ;)
 
psood0nym said:
^There's nothing stingy about plugging. Plugging is frugal and manly. That's right, manly, because there's nothing more masculine than being secure enough with your body and as indifferent to social perceptions as you need to be to admit you stick drugs up your butt. I've said it before and I stand by it: Real men take it in the ass!
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-that- was really funny :).

I will be experimenting with this compound myself very soon. I am very hopeful for it's ability to provide an experience with some real depth. I will post reports when the time comes.
 
Delsyd said:
yeh, low dose 4 aco dmt is great.

its my go to psych if i just want to give the day a slight tryptamine enhancement.
its really very pleasant.
leaves me with a big smile.
though i tend to get that reaction from most tryptamines
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Yep, it's actually quite pleasant, with some slight music enhancement and light visuals. I've made it a habit to take 6mg of 4acodmt on a methylone comedown. Brings me back up a little =D
 
I agree with the dosing scales that point towards 25 mg being a strong dose. I took 25 mg my first time 5 days ago and after 100+ psychedellic trips on up to a quarter of mushrooms and hits of decent LSD... 4-AcO-DMT totally consumed me, the only way to cool my self down mentally was to repeat general affirmations (I love myself, I love the universe) because I was disconnected from every day life while being in it and experiencing it

I felt another reality superimposed over our own, as I walked around a popular festival I stopped seeing people as I normally do but as a series of lines and points, the energy that made them moved flowed through bars of light in thier bodies that I could see, personalities didn't occur to me but just surviving the event was the only thing really on my mind I knew I had taken a new drug that was like DMT and mushrooms but at the same time I would need to create adaptation strategies just to dig through my backpack.

I snapped out of the deepest part of the trip 2-3 hours after I ingested it and was able to start smoking pot again and realizing that people knew me and had thoughts about me. Having never taken DMT it could be proposterous to suppose this but this compound seems more like it could be more similar to DMT than mushrooms in my experience. I would repeat sampling this drug but i'd skim the top off the doses from now on and go closer to 15-20 mg
 
Solistus, I managed to get it into a 10mg/ml solution of dH2O with no applied heat. It has remained in storage for a few months without any noticable degradation. I generally put 100-250mg into solution at a time, though, so the bulk of my product doesn't degrade.

Cheers to you all. :)
 
I store mine at room temperature, it's pretty stable as far as I've heard. Had mine for 3 months and it hasn't lost potency.
 
Been keeping it at room temperature with no noticeable degradation.
Only once did my solution degrade. Had it in a redbull container and forgot it in my car... 20'degrees
For three days and I retrieved it as frozen psilacetin ice. :p
Ended up leaving it out the next day in my car to melt at 80 degrees and it ended up a black liquid. It was still very much active... But the color change was obvious. It may have just been that the sugars from the side of the redbull bottle polluted the solution... No way to tell now, though.

Good luck!
 
Been thinking of consuming some 4-aco and 2c-e together. I figure i'll just do 15 mgs of each. Since 4-aco effects begins quicker I figured I would have to dose it at around T + 1 h 15 minutes after the 2c-e. Do you guys think that they should kick in similarly taken that way?
 
Semi-Experienced tripper here, have been checking out RCs for a bit. I think this might be the first one i want to try, until i get a reliable online source im not trying anything though.
 
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