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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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I have never known just ordered it anyway....

Some people seemed convinced its grey area others it most defiantly illegal...
 
This is truly an amazing compound. A friend and I tested 20 mg of the fumarate salt yesterday and had an absolute blast. Couldn't stop laughing. Very social and warm, yet still offers a level of depth not encountered with some other chemicals, such as (in my experience) 2c-i.
 
Planning on doing this wonderful sounding compound for the first time this week.

Is it suggest to plug or take orally? (I don't want to snort or inject)

And if Plugged, in liquid form/capsule form(like suppositories)?

or if orally, diluted with distilled water or capsule form?


Thanks in advance <3
 
I should have my first chance to sample this compound in the next week or two, and I'm trying to settle on a dose. I'll be dosing orally with the fumarate salt. I'm thinking I'll start on the low end of the pihkal range, maybe 10-15mg. Would 10mg be enough for a proper trip? From what I've read, it seems like 15mg should almost definitely be enough to trip and 20+mg is high dose territory, where things start getting really wild. Is that about right?

On a related note, if anyone has experience to share with very small doses (<10mg), I'd be very interested to hear your findings. I find low-dose mushrooms to be very hit-or-miss (sometimes it's a nice, mildly euphoric 'buzz' with slight psychedelic undertones, other times it's a mildly uncomfortable buzz that feels more like a come up that never gets anywhere) and I'm wondering if 4aco is similar. There are lots of fans of low dose LSD, low dose DMT (although DMT is so intense that its low doses are comparable in intensity to many psychedelics' high doses, in my experience), and low dose 2Cs. Is low dose 4aco anything worthwhile?
 
Volundr said:
Planning on doing this wonderful sounding compound for the first time this week.

Is it suggest to plug or take orally? (I don't want to snort or inject)

And if Plugged, in liquid form/capsule form(like suppositories)?

or if orally, diluted with distilled water or capsule form?


Thanks in advance <3
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plug for sure. Don't go above 10mg's on the first time, I normally do 13-15mg's up the bum, and I have to say that it's one of my favorite substances of all time. Peace.
 
I was actually going to suggest oral, even though with most things I prefer plugging. For me anyway 4-AcO-DMT comes on SO fast and lasts so short that plugging isn't ideal, for me. But some people find 4-AcO-DMT to last quite a bit longer than mushrooms and come on slowly. Either way it's best to take an oral dose the first time so you can tell how you react to it.
 
Yeah, I like to plug to save substance and reduce any sort of body unpleasantness but I don't take 4-AcO-DMT rectally either for the same reasons as Xorkoth. I read somewhere a conjecture that whether your experience is short or long depends on how quickly you metabolize 4-AcO-DMT into 4-HO-DMT since both are active and the different ratios in your bloodstream determine the variable character of the trip. I'm glad I tried it orally first since I was in public during my trip and if I'd plugged it it might've gotten to be a bit much.
 
Xorkoth said:
I was actually going to suggest oral, even though with most things I prefer plugging. For me anyway 4-AcO-DMT comes on SO fast and lasts so short that plugging isn't ideal, for me. But some people find 4-AcO-DMT to last quite a bit longer than mushrooms and come on slowly. Either way it's best to take an oral dose the first time so you can tell how you react to it.
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My friend came up long before I did. Our timelines were quite similar, however. An oddity to be certain.
 
thanks for the responses but I think my considering of plugging was more to do with me being stingy and wanting to get the most out of my stash as plugging doses are obviously smaller, rather than worrying about nausea etc :P haha
 
^There's nothing stingy about plugging. Plugging is frugal and manly. That's right, manly, because there's nothing more masculine than being secure enough with your body and as indifferent to social perceptions as you need to be to admit you stick drugs up your butt. I've said it before and I stand by it: Real men take it in the ass!
 
4-aco-dmt is good at all levels low and high. Many times have I taken 5-10mg for a concert just for some dancing energy and nice buzz. Sometimes it ends up sapping my energy though and I just sit and watch the show entranced.
 
solistus said:
I should have my first chance to sample this compound in the next week or two, and I'm trying to settle on a dose. I'll be dosing orally with the fumarate salt. I'm thinking I'll start on the low end of the pihkal range, maybe 10-15mg. Would 10mg be enough for a proper trip? From what I've read, it seems like 15mg should almost definitely be enough to trip and 20+mg is high dose territory, where things start getting really wild. Is that about right?

On a related note, if anyone has experience to share with very small doses (<10mg), I'd be very interested to hear your findings. I find low-dose mushrooms to be very hit-or-miss (sometimes it's a nice, mildly euphoric 'buzz' with slight psychedelic undertones, other times it's a mildly uncomfortable buzz that feels more like a come up that never gets anywhere) and I'm wondering if 4aco is similar. There are lots of fans of low dose LSD, low dose DMT (although DMT is so intense that its low doses are comparable in intensity to many psychedelics' high doses, in my experience), and low dose 2Cs. Is low dose 4aco anything worthwhile?
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I'd say that low-dose (under 10mg) 4-AcO-DMT is definitely worthwhile! I have done this about 3 times or so. I find this experience to be pleasantly lighthearted and emotionally 'easy', but still potentially therapeutic and has even produced some interesting visuals (for instance, on one of these trips I kept witnessing closed-eye visuals/concepts of different things being built; either tangible materials or abstract ideas). Also, it is notable to mention that I haven't experienced anything remotely difficult or uncomfortable on low doses of psilacetin. These trips were really just very enjoyable.
 
yeh, low dose 4 aco dmt is great.

its my go to psych if i just want to give the day a slight tryptamine enhancement.
its really very pleasant.
leaves me with a big smile.
though i tend to get that reaction from most tryptamines
 
I dosed on this substance last Sunday, 16mg oral as it was my first experience with this substance.

My thoughts on it are that although it does seem to be very similar to psilocin the visual element is fairly different; very geometric in a way that I haven't really experienced before. This seems to be consistent with people claiming it's similarity to DMT?

4 of us dosed that day, all around 15mg. I had a wonderful, entactogenic trip in which I felt, for the first time in around 5 'journeys' that I had taken some spiritual meaning from the experience. For another friend this was their first psychedelic experience and they adored it; it being both insightful and blissful for them. The other two were both experienced, although to different extents - one much more so than the other.

One of my friends seemed to have an extremely bad trip and while he is a member here and I wont go into details it seemed to bring out a few problems that may have been troubling him for some time. He was unresponsive to our questions and only spoke when we pressured him to - prefer to communicate using gestures or head shakes/nods. The morning after he told us that he had believed he was dreaming and that he lost all recognition of our personalities.

I've written a TR by hand that I will post anon, once I can find the time to write it up.

4-Aco-DMT is a wonderful psychedelic, very similar to psilocin subjectively, yet pleasantly unique.
 
so, I consumed a pinch of this stuff last night (that's the best way I can describe the amount, I was shooting for 15 mg, but I realized my scale was completely fucked up right after I took it). I was looking for a mild-moderate trip so I could get a better idea of what this stuff is like before I share any with friends. it was.... awesome, this may be my new favorite psychedelic! I can't wait to try this again.
 
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