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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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i plan on 25 mg of the fumarate to be my first and possibly only dose of 4acodmt. i'm experienced with LSD and 2ce, i've had shrooms, and i will possibly smoke DMT before i decide to try 4acodmt
 
how stable is this compound? I know that tryptamines are prone to oxidation and nowhere near as stable as phenethylamines, but just how stable is 4-AcO-DMT? if I store it in an airtight container away from heat and light how much degradation should I expect after 6 months? 1 year? would it be more stable in solution?

I know that optimal conditions would be to store it in an inert atmosphere in a freezer, however that option is not available to me right now. There's too much danger of nosy roommates finding it in the freezer and asking questions.


and I just took my first dose of this compound, 11 mg oral
 
it would not be more stable in solution. the fumarate shouldn't degrade "too much" in a year. not sure exactly though
 
If cared for properly (airtight, dark, dry) 4-aco-dmt will last 2 years or more w/out major degredation. 4-aco-dipt showed signs of oxidation (i.e. darkening and congealing) of material in contact with container walls after 3.5 years. AMT showed signs of oxidation (i.e. yellowing) after 1 year. All are still active.
 
I use to store my Tryptamines in the freezer and they are still active without any noticeable loss in potency since 3 years. Neither the 4-ho's, 4-aco's nor the 5-meo's or PEA's. I just ensured dry and airtight packaging. A plastic bag and cling film around are enough for longer storing.

Especially 4-AcO-DMT hasn't oxidized since several years.
 
Anyone combined this with MDAI? I'm contemplating a drug geek version of the hippyflip (shrooms & mdma) with 4-AcO-DMT and a MDAI+stim combo. I tried taking MDAI+m1 about 3 or 4hrs into a 14mg 2c-e trip a while back and the empathogen combo seemed to all but negate the 2c-e, which i thought was odd, but i guess there could be some competitive inhibition issues there, and that may go for psilacetin as well, but i don't know.
 
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If cared for properly (airtight, dark, dry) 4-aco-dmt will last 2 years or more w/out major degredation. 4-aco-dipt showed signs of oxidation (i.e. darkening and congealing) of material in contact with container walls after 3.5 years. AMT showed signs of oxidation (i.e. yellowing) after 1 year. All are still active.
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Was this at room temperature or in a freezer?
 
The first 1-1.5 year in a freezer. After that = room temp. There was no change in color until removing from freezer.
 
Does anyone have any experience with how heat might degrade this compound?

In my usual impatient manor I ordered some before going out of town, assuming the vender would not ship it right away. Well, I arrived home with it in my (black) mail box for what was probably 7 days, 2 of which had temperatures reach over 80 degrees, and 1 day at almost 90. The other days were in the 60's to low 70's (typical yo-yo MN weather). Humidity was moderate to high.

Dosed 20 mg with no affect after 60 minutes, so I snorted another 5 mg. I got almost nothing, just a minor alert. There could be some cross-tolerance issues with some experiments done 3 days prior, or I may have an unusually high tolerance to this substance. I will try again soon, but I'm worried my batch might have drastically reduced potency.
 
Hey guys.

I'm planning on trying some 4-aco-dmt tomorrow night. Looking for advice on dosage. I've done LSD 3 times (up to 250 mcg) and 2c-i (up to 23 mg) and been able to handle the experiences well. My 4-aco-dmt is in its fumarate salt form. What do you all suggest?
 
Question about combining with...

(Cross posting this to the 4-ho-MiPT thread)
I tend to enjoy the strange, overwhelming come-up of 4-ho-MiPT, but I also like the more spiritual aspect of 4-AcO-DMT (for me, it seems to be more so that way than 4-ho-MiPT). Even though they are both psilocin analogs, I am wondering whether it might be interesting to combine the two. The question I have though is, does anyone have experience with something similar? Does anyone know whether these two chemicals would potentiate one another (in which case I'd take a lower total dosage), or should I take a normal dosage (half and half)?<3
 
:) - acquired some of that stuff. - :)

after a long hiatus from tryps I'm gonna go for a +++ this weekend. think of something between 20-23mgs...


as I dislike long comeups my question is: does anyone have experience snorting this compound? (there is some info on erowid but some first hand account would be appreciated..)
 
^Is it actually worthwhile to do this, or would it be better to just take the full dose of 4-aco-dmt? (or 4-ho-mipt) The reason it might not even make sense to do this (we're trying to figure out whether theres a point to doing this or not) is that theoretically if we take 4-ho-mipt + 4-aco-dmt, they're both either prodrugs or analogs of psilocin, so maybe it wouldnt even be noticeable? Its no secret that these substances feel similar (not IDENTICAL but I suspect this is most the acetoxy vs hydroxy group, HO seems "in-your-face" to me and ACO seems to come on in a more gentle manner... otherwise though, I feel like 4-ho-mipt and 4-ho-dmt for example would be the same in a blind study etc)

Anyone here try this combo? (specifically the aco + ho versions of these chemicals)
 
i plan on 25 mg of the fumarate to be my first and possibly only dose of 4acodmt. i'm experienced with LSD and 2ce, i've had shrooms, and i will possibly smoke DMT before i decide to try 4acodmt
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I'm experienced with 300ug+ lsd doses, I have taken 21mg of 2ce on one occassion (and similar but not quite as high doses a bunch of other times), and a bunch of other psychs.
The reason(s) I tell you this:

1) While dosage is highly variable, 25mg seems like a hell of a strong first time on psilacetin. Unless you eat quarters or more of shrooms at a time, I would advise against that. My gf got ego loss at 15mg.

2) 4-aco-DMT does seem to feel like DMT, alot like it actually. But thats because psilocin is 4-ho-dmt and its a prodrug for psilocin (even though it might be active on its own, it prolly is to some extent), however you do not need to smoke dmt before doing it. I find they bring you to roughly the same place, but the route is very different. With DMT its obviously just straight to the divinity, but with 4-aco-DMT it builds up slowly and eventually seems to get to this point where (for me) it feels like eden, a clean, *euphoric* place where nothing can bother you, you feel blessed with the knowledge of the gods. The same feeling I would get from N,N-DMT. This is with about 13mg for me.

Anyway, if you're taking 25mg of 4aco, I hope you've at least taken that same amount of 2ce, because to me anyway, a dose like that would be intense, and with 2ce even though the visuals are insane you can keep your ego (prolly cuz its a phen) but with 4aco be prepared for full ego loss/death.

NOTE: Maybe I'm more sensitive to psychs, but with that dose its pretty much guaranteed that I will forget who I am at very least.

Also, psilacetin is not a drug that I would only wanna do once. It has the "divinity element" as I mentioned before that makes it as attractive as DMT to me.
 
Thanks for answering me, Xorkoth. Any input is appreciated :}

And johannes, fractalstructure and I have been wondering the same thing ourselves about nasal 4-AcO-DMT. We can't seem to find much on it, so hopefully someone who has experienced it will share...
 
i plan on 25 mg of the fumarate to be my first and possibly only dose of 4acodmt. i'm experienced with LSD and 2ce, i've had shrooms, and i will possibly smoke DMT before i decide to try 4acodmt
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I'm experienced with 300ug+ lsd doses, I have taken 21mg of 2ce on one occassion (and similar but not quite as high doses a bunch of other times), and a bunch of other psychs.
The reason(s) I tell you this:

1) While dosage is highly variable, 25mg seems like a hell of a strong first time on psilacetin. Unless you eat quarters or more of shrooms at a time, I would advise against that. My gf got ego loss at 15mg.

2) 4-aco-DMT does seem to feel like DMT, alot like it actually. But thats because psilocin is 4-ho-dmt and its a prodrug for psilocin (even though it might be active on its own, it prolly is to some extent), however you do not need to smoke dmt before doing it. I find they bring you to roughly the same place, but the route is very different. With DMT its obviously just straight to the divinity, but with 4-aco-DMT it builds up slowly and eventually seems to get to this point where (for me) it feels like eden, a clean, *euphoric* place where nothing can bother you, you feel blessed with the knowledge of the gods. The same feeling I would get from N,N-DMT. This is with about 13mg for me.

Anyway, if you're taking 25mg of 4aco, I hope you've at least taken that same amount of 2ce, because to me anyway, a dose like that would be intense, and with 2ce even though the visuals are insane you can keep your ego (prolly cuz its a phen) but with 4aco be prepared for full ego loss/death.

NOTE: Maybe I'm more sensitive to psychs, but with that dose its pretty much guaranteed that I will forget who I am at very least.

Also, psilacetin is not a drug that I would only wanna do once. It has the "divinity element" as I mentioned before that makes it as attractive as DMT to me.
 
chaosbydesign said:
Thanks for answering me, Xorkoth. Any input is appreciated :}

And johannes, fractalstructure and I have been wondering the same thing ourselves about nasal 4-AcO-DMT. We can't seem to find much on it, so hopefully someone who has experienced it will share...
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I've insufflated 4-AcO-DMT on a couple of occasions, I wouldn't recommend it. The smell/taste is awful, and it already only takes about 20 mins to take effect orally, so you're not getting much more out of it there. I certainly don't think its dangerous or anything, just not a whole lot different from oral dosing. And a substantial portion of the trip will be tainted with the nagging taste of an indole compound in your throat.... blech:p

Never tried 4-HO-MiPT, I'd imagine the combo would be interesting though. I don't see any apparent reason one would potentiate the other, but I'm quite sure it would be substantially different than taking a larger dose of either one alone, as 4-HO-MiPT isn't a psilocin prodrug. Happy trails ;)
 
Does anybody know about 4-AcO-DMt legality in the UK? Is it tied up with all the other tryptamines or is it still in the grey market?
 
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