The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

[stormyweathers]

holy shit i just did 25 mg last night
wow, it was WAYY too much for me, and i had a terrible trip
be careful, its a very sensitive compound

 

[|>R()|)!G/-\|_]

15 mg orally on a full stomach left me satisfied but underwhelmed. The beginning of the experience brought with it a fantastic body buzz akin to what I would imagine opiates being like. It felt like an internal glow and looseness in the limbs that gave me a desire to lay down. Once laying on the couch, the body buzz felt like floating. No obvious CEV's or OEV's beyond a brightening of colors and increase in the pixelation of images displayed on a monitor. However musical appreciation was markedly increased. I listened mostly to minimal and ambient on headphones and although the music didn't drive any CEV's, it certainly amplified the body buzz in an indescribable way. It was almost as if my body were experiencing an emotional synesthesia in which emotions (joy, passion, compassion, sympathy) were felt in the body. Luckily, this compound didn't present any dark edges or evoke any dark emotions. The emotional push was certainly toward the positive.

Insights, self-discovery, spiritual epiphanies etc...were at a minimum. There was however one moment of realization related to my limited relationships with coworkers and lack of close personal friends. In it, I realized that it is okay to have few close personal friendships because my relationships with others via family activities are strong. For example, although I don't really hang out with anyone besides my wife I often volunteer to help at scholastic events and therefore have used those situations as a context to build strong working relationships with other parents and instructors. Additionally, I am active at my church and although I wouldn't invite church members over to my place to extract DMT from mimosa hostilis anytime soon, we often go out to lunch with other families after service. A third example to illustrate the idea is that of a coworker's daughter's birthday party. Although I have declined several of his offers to hang out personally, we all had a good time and built a stronger relationship in the context of his daughter's birthday party. In the end, this realization helped me feel less disconnected from others despite the privatization of my personal interests. Sometimes I feel like a psychedelic Dexter Morgan, lol!

 

[porkstock]

holy shit i just did 25 mg last night
wow, it was WAYY too much for me, and i had a terrible trip
be careful, its a very sensitive compound

care to elaborate on how your trip was terrible?

what previous experience with 4acodmt and other psychedelics have you had?

i'm considering 25 mg for my first and possibly only trip on 4acodmt

 

[yoyoman]

Does anyone get "THE FEAR" from 4-aco-dmt?

I used to think it was impurities in mimosa root bark causing the bad fear response but since it happens with 4-aco-dmt also i guess its just me.

Only happens sometimes but seems random, even with low doses, where there aren't even really any visuals (like 13mg) but I feel similar to how I have felt being up for 3 days on stimulants, feeling like something is on the edge in my mind, overly intense sensory input.. i'll get this WIDE vision effect, where I see everything too clearly.. slamming some liquor down is the only way I can seem to enjoy 4-aco-dmt or DMT nowadays. Sucks cause I love the DMT's the best (but i need to take a downer with them).

Its a feeling my mind interprets as "oh FUCK, something is not right". It doesn't happen with LSD, other tryptamines, PEA's.. I think its just me.

 

[Delsyd]

I cant say I've felt it on 4 aco DMT. But certainly have on Mushrooms, DMT and especially 5 meo DMT.

Ive also experienced it on a couple other tryptamines.

Perhaps "the FEAR" is happening every time you take xx-DMT because you are expecting it?

 

[Paradisum]

Does anyone get "THE FEAR" from 4-aco-dmt?

I used to think it was impurities in mimosa root bark causing the bad fear response but since it happens with 4-aco-dmt also i guess its just me.

Only happens sometimes but seems random, even with low doses, where there aren't even really any visuals (like 13mg) but I feel similar to how I have felt being up for 3 days on stimulants, feeling like something is on the edge in my mind, overly intense sensory input.. i'll get this WIDE vision effect, where I see everything too clearly.. slamming some liquor down is the only way I can seem to enjoy 4-aco-dmt or DMT nowadays. Sucks cause I love the DMT's the best (but i need to take a downer with them).

Its a feeling my mind interprets as "oh FUCK, something is not right". It doesn't happen with LSD, other tryptamines, PEA's.. I think its just me.

I have gotten that on the 4-aco-dmt and lsd. One time i had it though and all the items in my visuals somehow formed people. SO like my couch, wall, and poster and came together to form this 2D human figue whom took over my whole right side of my vision and would move as to come out at me or get up and walk. This freaked me out and when i saw the slightest movement I would jump up. Eventually I had to lie down and felt them grab my legs. Weird stuff but only happeened when i smoked a fat bowl before the peak.

 

[greenmeanies]

I will be discovering this material shortly and i was wondering (after i searched the dosage and storage threads) what the estimated solubility of 4-AcO-DMT fumarate is in 80 proof vodka (40% ethanol aqueous) and also in plain distilled water. I have a milligram scale, but liquid measurement is just incredibly quick and convenient. Has anyone here attempted to make a high-concentration tincture of 4-AcO-DMT? I will probably be shooting for around 20mg/ml because 10mg/ml worked well for me with 2C-E in H2O.

 

[librash420]

do not take over 20 milligrams of this stuff i took 25 mg of 4acodmt and 30mg of 4hodipt i thought everyone i knew was a fed for 3 months and now still after a year and a half hardly ever come out of my house stick with shrooms

 

[Choronzon333]

do not take over 20 milligrams of this stuff i took 25 mg of 4acodmt and 30mg of 4hodipt i thought everyone i knew was a fed for 3 months and now still after a year and a half hardly ever come out of my house stick with shrooms

Thats bc u took an insane amount. Why not just take a responsible amount? Shrooms would be just as bad if you ate like 20g!

 

[love_sex_desire]

I did 20 mg for my first time this weekend with my girlfriend and best friend. It was a great time! I highly recommend 4-AcO-DMT, much better than mushrooms IMO. My girlfriend noticed differences between the visuals in each eye. She speculated because you have a left and right hemisphere in your brain that the 4-AcO-DMT was affecting them in different ways. My friend also noticed he was hot on one side and numb on the other. It seems to have different effects on each side of the brain and body! Anyone else notice effects like that? I didn't notice effects like that, just glistening beautiful visuals and pronounced happiness.

This stuff made me extremely conscientious and ethical. I don't think anyone could do anything wrong or harm anyone while on this stuff. It was all about love, empathy and seemed very sacred. 20 mg was a good starting dose, and I'm going to try 25 mg next time. Everyone reacts differently, as my friend did 17 mg and seemed to have stronger effects than me and thought he was at a perfect dose level whereas I will definitely try a stronger dose. 20 mg was a great starting dose for me, but 15 mg might be a safer bet as some people are more sensitive.

 

[tBirdee]

do not take over 20 milligrams of this stuff i took 25 mg of 4acodmt and 30mg of 4hodipt i thought everyone i knew was a fed for 3 months and now still after a year and a half hardly ever come out of my house stick with shrooms

This is a rediculous comment

 

[love_sex_desire]

^^ Ridonkulous indeed.

20 mg was a great dose for me and I think I will try 25 mg next time. Yes, NEVER take over 20 mgs of 4-AcO-DMT because mixing more than that with a full dose of another completely different chemical led to an adverse reaction... that makes no sense at all.

librash420 maybe you should suggest not mixing a full dose of 4-AcO-DMT and a full dose of 4-HO-DiPT without first trying smaller amounts of them when combined together. Or does that just make entirely too much sense?

In any case your experience in no way has anything to do with why no one should EVER take over 20 mgs of 4-AcO-DMT so I have no idea why you are advising that.

 

[psood0nym]

I did 20 mg for my first time this weekend with my girlfriend and best friend. It was a great time! I highly recommend 4-AcO-DMT, much better than mushrooms IMO. My girlfriend noticed differences between the visuals in each eye. She speculated because you have a left and right hemisphere in your brain that the 4-AcO-DMT was affecting them in different ways.

She sounds like she had a good intuition given this prevalent misinformation about the eyes.

Each eye has connections to both sides of the brain, but the visual fields of each eye cross over like above. I do enjoy being pedantic for its own sake, but there's also a kind of interesting application to this I like to tell people about. I've heard that when forced to choose between the far left and far right of a theater people whose psyche profiles are strongly right or left "brained" tend to choose the side that allows for their dominant hemisphere to receive the greatest image information (most light)--of course they think they just drifted that way for no reason. It's fun to think we might be able to analyze a movie with a complicated plot better or experience a greater range of emotions in response to a dramatic film by more deliberately choosing which side of the theater we sit on.

 

[SpiralOut]

First off, let me just say that reading this thread all the way through has been a real boon to me. It just reminds me of how beautiful and awesome psychedelics can be and how much of a positive force than can be in people's lives. I've literally got a contact high just from reading so many glowing reports on this substance.

Since I'll be coming into contact with this chemical very soon, I've got two questions.

First, I know there's a definite tolerance issue with tryptamines. A friend and I were planning on doing some shrooms when I go to visit on our first night and I was thinking about using 4-Aco-DMT on our 2nd night. However, I'm guessing there would definitely be a tolerance issue from using the shrooms the day before?

So is it better to just hold off on one or the other or do you think it's possible to have two very good experiences back to back?

Secondly, it seems like everyone finds 25mg to be the sweet spot for a really solid trip. But I was planning for us to take 4-Aco-DMT out and about at the club (obviously with a sober sitter to drive, etc.) and combine it with some MDMA. Obviously everyone reacts a bit differently, but would most of you think you'd be able to function normally in a public setting at that dose? I was thinking about possibly starting with a 10mg dose and then boosting later, but it seems like this substance is really gentle for most folks. Just wondering what dosage most would recommend for a public setting where you wouldn't want to be completely overwhelmed by the visuals and/or zone out.

Again, just an amazing thread in general and it really has me excited to experience this trypt.

 

[todaymylove]

Well I've only used it twice, first at 20mg then at 25mg.

The first time I used it rather late at night and didn't get much sleep the night before, so I accredited it mostly to that. The second time I prepared a lot better for the trip, took it midday, and the same thing happened.

I would call the state a cross between confusion, stupor, and mild delirium. It's very far from that productive afterglow that I usually get with lsd/mescaline/etc... in fact it's near impossible for me to accomplish anything in this state.

Maybe my next go with it will be different, who knows... weird :/

Just read this and wanted to comment because I got the same reaction. I made a post describing one of my trips earlier and I commented on how my trip on 15 mg's lasted only three hours and then trailed off very quickly- with no afterglow.

The time spent between being off baseline but not fully tripping and being fully sober was a rather annoying head space, I agree on that, and all I could do was listen to music while lying down in my room sort of zoning out into a weird headspace. I feel like this substance differs from mushrooms in that it's not like taking psilocin or psilocybin, it's a drug in itself and perhaps my body reacts differently to it than the aforementioned ones, and perhaps more in a way that is out of tune with my body.

I liked this drug, but at times I felt an overwhelming fear of something I couldn't identify, thus it was intense and not an easy ride for me. I would like to try it again but don't know if I'll ever get the chance.

 

[any major dude]

First off, let me just say that reading this thread all the way through has been a real boon to me. It just reminds me of how beautiful and awesome psychedelics can be and how much of a positive force than can be in people's lives. I've literally got a contact high just from reading so many glowing reports on this substance.

Since I'll be coming into contact with this chemical very soon, I've got two questions.

First, I know there's a definite tolerance issue with tryptamines. A friend and I were planning on doing some shrooms when I go to visit on our first night and I was thinking about using 4-Aco-DMT on our 2nd night. However, I'm guessing there would definitely be a tolerance issue from using the shrooms the day before?

So is it better to just hold off on one or the other or do you think it's possible to have two very good experiences back to back?

Secondly, it seems like everyone finds 25mg to be the sweet spot for a really solid trip. But I was planning for us to take 4-Aco-DMT out and about at the club (obviously with a sober sitter to drive, etc.) and combine it with some MDMA. Obviously everyone reacts a bit differently, but would most of you think you'd be able to function normally in a public setting at that dose? I was thinking about possibly starting with a 10mg dose and then boosting later, but it seems like this substance is really gentle for most folks. Just wondering what dosage most would recommend for a public setting where you wouldn't want to be completely overwhelmed by the visuals and/or zone out.

Again, just an amazing thread in general and it really has me excited to experience this trypt.

There would definitely be a substantial cross tolerance the next day. In my opinion, probably enough so that it would be a waste of material. I've done 4-aco both 3 & 5 days apart, and noticed a very decreased effect. As for dosage in a public setting, I took 17mg (with no cross/tolerance) and went to see some of my friends' band at a bar and was totally functional. Definitely a bit weird, and some conversational awkwardness, but nothing out of the realm one would expect in a bar anyway.

There would be no cross tolerance with the MDMA however.

EDIT: My dosages are with the fumarate salt, not HCl, which would be a little lower.

 

[SpiralOut]

There would definitely be a substantial cross tolerance the next day. In my opinion, probably enough so that it would be a waste of material. I've done 4-aco both 3 & 5 days apart, and noticed a very decreased effect. As for dosage in a public setting, I took 17mg (with no cross/tolerance) and went to see some of my friends' band at a bar and was totally functional. Definitely a bit weird, and some conversational awkwardness, but nothing out of the realm one would expect in a bar anyway.

There would be no cross tolerance with the MDMA however.

EDIT: My dosages are with the fumarate salt, not HCl, which would be a little lower.

Thanks for the info.

Maybe we can do some PEA work the first day instead.

 

[any major dude]

you're still going to run into some cross tolerance issues there as well, if you're thinking of a 2c-x or something similar, though likely not as severe.

 

[Al_S_Dee]

This is real fun stuff. Comparable to shrooms but lasts longer and has a slightly different "frequency."
I have only tried it at 25 mg with no tolerance and I had a good trip but I feel I can go further. For n00bs though, I caution to start at 15-20 mg to see how you may react.

 

[SpiralOut]

you're still going to run into some cross tolerance issues there as well, if you're thinking of a 2c-x or something similar, though likely not as severe.

What about 5-meo-dmt? People seem to have the ability to smoke it, wait a bit, smoke some more, etc. I'm wondering if a few forays into it would really wreck our tryptamine tolerance for the weekend.