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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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It just means that instead of reacting the freebase material with hydrochloric acid, they reacted it with fumaric acid, producing the fumarate salt instead of the hydrochloride salt. It doesn't mean much of anything about the effects, it can just slightly alter dosage.

I'd say 4-AcO-DMT is usually very price wise compared to mushrooms, but it all depends on the person selling it, and we're not allowed to talk about the actual prices here.
 
i know. Thats why i didn't. IS it worth it though. I am really excited to order some but I am a little sketched out even the vendor that will not be named seems legit. Is there anything to worry about from others that have ordered?
 
I guess I don't understand what you're asking then. If you divide the amount that you want to buy by the amount of dosage you expect to be "standard", you'll get the number of doses. Divide the price by this number and you'll get the price/dose ratio. Compare that to whatever you want and decide if it's worth it for you.

As far as vendor legitimacy, I've never seen a vendor that was offering this compound that was illegitimate, but I've only known of two that sold it and obviously there could be some out there doing scams. Caveat emptor.
 
Guys, NO VENDOR DISCUSSION.

Even if you're not naming the vendor, there is no alluding to vendors, in fact dont even bring up the word vendor.
This thread is about 4 ACO DMT not where and how to aquire it.

As for whether its worth it or not, IMO it is. It is one of my favorite psychs.
Dose? That depends what you're looking to get out of it and what you tolerance to psychedelics is like.

I always like to recomend you start low and work your way up till you find the dose that suits you.
 
Hmmm does anyone else find the comedown from 4-aco-dmt to be very annoying?

It's not like with phenethylamines where there's residual stimulating effects (shallow breathing, jaw clenching etc) which can be annoying, 4-aco-dmt seems to be free of these physical effects.

Instead the comedown puts me in an extremely annoying mental state. The main effects of the drug only seem to last 3 hours or so for me... but then there's a period of about 4 to5 hours of being extremely scatterbrained... where trying to "think" a sentence is difficult because I keep getting distracted and confused. As much as I would love to sleep at this point, it's always impossible. It probably doesn't sound that bad from my description, but it's the worst comedown I experience from any psychedelic.

The peak itself is worth the comedown though... it just seems very odd to me. Mushrooms don't seem to do this to me at all despite their obvious similarities in effects. I feel like I'm in some sort of annoying confused stupor each time, and basically can't accomplish basic tasks for 4 hours. Weird :/
 
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I find the comedown from high doses to be mentally intense with deep trains of thought but to me that is one if its greatest assets and why it is one of the better psychedelics. There are moments of confusion but I find it quite clear headed compared to regular mushrooms.

Does this annoying headspace happen to you every time?
 
Well I've only used it twice, first at 20mg then at 25mg.

The first time I used it rather late at night and didn't get much sleep the night before, so I accredited it mostly to that. The second time I prepared a lot better for the trip, took it midday, and the same thing happened.

I would call the state a cross between confusion, stupor, and mild delirium. It's very far from that productive afterglow that I usually get with lsd/mescaline/etc... in fact it's near impossible for me to accomplish anything in this state.

Maybe my next go with it will be different, who knows... weird :/
 
Hmmm does anyone else find the comedown from 4-aco-dmt to be very annoying?

I find it annoying that the trip itself is only ~3 hours but i cant get to sleep untill ~8 hours after ingesting it.

I never really got the scatterbrain effects you mentions. usually it a pretty smooth transition from tripping to sobriety. I hardly notice it.

But i do get residual stimulation which i find annoying.
 
I like 4-aco-dmt much better during the day, so getting to sleep is rarely a problem. I can feel a bit scattered on the comedown but I usually just spend it smoking weed and staring at trees.

Last time I took it was at a tiny festival in the middle of a nature preserve. We took it during the day, came down and started drinking to see Pretty Lights that night. It was one of the smoothest transitions off a trip I've had.
 
Hi everyone. I've seen a small handful of posts mentioning a combination of this substance with DXM but nothing really informative. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with this combination that they could relate. I'm considering giving it a shot but would like to hear a bit more about the experience. I am quite familiar with both substances separately, maxing out at 750mg of DXM and 52mg of 4-aco-DMT.

Thanks!
 
Reginald! I dear say, 4-aco-dmt + 2c-t-7 sent me into an epic trip.

The MAO inhibiting properties are astounding.

I took 10mg of 2c-t-7(which i have never taken before) with 35mg of 4-aco-dmt, and i didn't even notice the 2c-t-7 at all.

I had amazing, amazing aural visuals, compareable to the night i tried 80mg of 4-aco-dmt alone. Within each Aural hallucination there were unlimitedly complex fractals, everything about life felt happy and beautiful rich and complex. Music tore through my brain and made me feel like i was the music. I saw visual landscapes.

i.e. when i would light a cigarette and set it down on my desk, and stare at it,
I would get a little sky over top of the cigarette and the ember looked like volcano, and the ashes looked like the snow on top of the volcano, and i must have stared and at the cigarette until the whole thing was burnt up, and my memory recall of watching that cigarette burn, its more or less that of watching a volcanoe erupt. IT was BEAUTIFUL

I was also creating new colors, to go along with sounds, like
Metallic Rainbow Purples and. seriously colors that just cannot be described.

It did not in any way remind me of ayahuasca, nor did it remind me of the time i tried Mushrooms + MAOI, this was something unique and all in of itself.

I am very surprised that i didn't really "feel" the 2c-t-7, they seem to have synergized in such a way they harmonized and created a beautiful display of epic proportions.

i just had this trip recently, its going to take a bit more time to fully integrate the rest of the thoughts i experienced on this trip. But there will be more to come.
 
I posted a bit about this above but to add a few thoughts:

1. I've combined this with 2cb with the effect of bringing me back to earth slightly and back to people a lot (all 2cx's ground me, excepting 2ce). Will try at some point with 2ci for a visual boost.

2. I now take this or 4-ho-mipt instead of mushrooms because of the lack of nausea, athough 4-aco-dmt on a boat in heavy waves definitely made me more seasick than usual - but no barfing and I'd had alcohol as well which could definitely have contributed.

3. I still think mushrooms are more complex and have their own intentions/opinions.

4. I had a less than good/not quite bad time on this at a party full of strangers on regular old mushrooms. I thought I was being persecuted by the worldwide population explosion of jellyfish. No one else cared enough! They thought I was funny! Thank goodness, because I would have felt terrible to give someone else my bad jellyfish trip. This just confirmed to me this is a close friends/stay at home type of drug for me...

5. Visuals are sneaky with this. Not waving, patterning, but more a sense that things are not what they seem, for example the houses on a street are shorter than a (single deck) bus -- very alice in wonderland
 
4. I had a less than good/not quite bad time on this at a party full of strangers on regular old mushrooms. I thought I was being persecuted by the worldwide population explosion of jellyfish. No one else cared enough! They thought I was funny! Thank goodness, because I would have felt terrible to give someone else my bad jellyfish trip. This just confirmed to me this is a close friends/stay at home type of drug for me...

What was your dose and are you prone to such bad/semi-bad trips?

5. Visuals are sneaky with this. Not waving, patterning, but more a sense that things are not what they seem, for example the houses on a street are shorter than a (single deck) bus -- very alice in wonderland

QFT.
 
Question: can 4-aco-dmt be IV'd like 4-ho-dmt can? (I got the idea the latter can be IV'd via Tihkal)

If so, is 4-aco-dmt water soluble?

Is the best way to store this is in bacteriostatic in vials stored in the freezer/fridge, or what?
 
So I blacked out last night for some period on 26mg of 4aco and 2.5 hits of LSD. Thankfully no damage was done.

I don't know what it is about the Hippy Flip, but it devastates me every time. Last time I experiment with that combination...
 
So I blacked out last night for some period on 26mg of 4aco and 2.5 hits of LSD. Thankfully no damage was done.

I don't know what it is about the Hippy Flip, but it devastates me every time. Last time I experiment with that combination...

Hippie-flip is MDMA and Mushrooms, this combo doesn't have a name that I know of.

All I know is that I like that report with 4-AcO-DMT and 2c-t-7, kinda scary but very intriguing. Will have 2c-t-7 in the next week or so, when I get it I might use a small amount in combination with 4-AcO-DMT, maybe something like 7mg's plugged in combo with 15mg's 4-AcO-DMT plugged, sounds good to me =D
 
there have been alot of mentions of 2c-t-7 mixed with 4-aco-dmt,
but i havent heard anything about a 2c-t-2 combo

has anyone tried it?
 
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