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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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i found the HCL to be stronger, in pure psychedelia.
But oddly enough it did not last anywhere near as long as the fumarate i've noticed.

I don't know if that makes sense, but the HCL seems to come on quicker, and takes you up higher, while leaving you sooner, within like 5 - 6 hours and the Fumarate seems to assemble itself slowly, mount you on top of the world, and then slowly vanishes over the course of 8-10hours.
 
Duration is very inconsistent with psilocetin. I've had 7 hour trips and 3 hour trips, though lately they've settled around 4-5 hours. All fumarate.
 
isotopic_parody said:
Do you guys also experience wide variances in effects regardless of dose? Similar to a way that ++++ experiences are had not based upon dose?

that 18mg was pretty damn strong... and this 25mg experience was considerably weaker... almost as weak as the 12mg trip I took. I just can't seem to wrap my mind around why this happened. What doses do you take for a very heavy trip??
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Dude, I totally know what you're talking about! This happened to me with 36mg, got a ++++. Then with 38mg later in the year, a ++.

This happens to me with p. cubensis as well....I read somewhere that Indians (Mazatecs?) in Mexico say/said that the mushrooms choose who they speak to, so I've boiled this variance unto that (shrug).
 
Has anyone tried combining this substance with a 2C-x?
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- .Felix.

I've had great results combining 4-Aco-DMT with both 2CB and 2CE. I wrote a trip report on one such experience with the IM injection of 2CB and 4-Aco-DMT if you're interested it can be found here:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=455346

Also, about a month ago, my girlfriend and I stumbled across a very bizarre and wildly entertaining synergy by combining IM 2CB and IM 4-Aco-DMT, with oral Zopiclone. I found the experience to be quite unique, and stands out from my hundreds of other trips, enough to warrant a trip report. There were other pharmaceuticals involved as well, so I'll write the report now and post a link here shortly, for those that are interested. For anyone looking for a very social and interactive trip to share with a close loved one... the kind of trip that is just totally fucking fun the whole time... I would recommend checking out the details. My girlfriend is very prone to having bad trips, as she suffers from extreme anxiety, but this combo allowed her to stay fully grounded emotionally and mentally, yet get many of the visual benefits of a high dose trip. It also allowed us to interact the entire time, neither of us getting locked into the introspection that can lead to negative experiences for those new to tripping, or those who are simply not made to handle 1mg acid trips.

Though it lacked the transformative nature of deeply spiritual and introspective trips that I so love, it was still very satisfying for us both.

Heres the report though I had to write it quick.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=7782716#post7782716
 
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Well, my 500mg sample just arrived =D

Would 20mg be an appropriate starting dose for an experienced psychedelic warrior? :p Sublingual or oral ingestion?

...also has anyone used 5-meo-dmt while under this influence of 4aco? Comments?
 
Acetylpsilocin question

I've been searching but couldn't find any answers to this question. I was wondering if there is any way you can get a rough idea of how much psilocin is in an amount of mushrooms. For example, if you had 15mg 4-AcO-DMT. How much weight in dry/high quality mushrooms does 15mg equal? I know its impossible to know how much psilocybin/psilocin is in mushrooms, but is there anyway to get a ballpark idea?
 
yeah that sounds about right to me.. the highest i've gone with 4-aco-dmt is 23 mg and that seemed about the same intensity as eating an "average" eighth of cubensis
 
Honestly, I took 17mg a few weeks ago. I had been reading lots of bluedolphin's posts on 4-AcO-DMT and that's what he recommended for a decent starter dose that would give a full experience but not go overboard.

It blew me apart. <3

I learned so much that night. This compound is incredibly rich in it's depth. 17mg put me right where I wanted to be. I had a rather rough come-up as I was dealing with repressed issues that the chemical was bringing to the surface and wasn't letting go. It made me see the way some things were. After I broke through that stuff it got much better.

I think 22mg would be a bit much for me anyway. That 17mg felt like an 1/8th of mushrooms for me.

When I do this one again I'll be taking 17mg, maybe 18mg.
 
Interesting how dose response on this one seems to vary quite a bit. Some people seems to require much higher doses while others get off on a fairly small amount. Luckily I seem to be one of those people. A little over 20mg was one of the most intense trips yet.
 
I think I'll start with 20mg. I'm doing it this Saturday with two other warriors who will be taking lower doses (17 & 18mg). It will be interesting to see what happens.

May add some 5meodmt at some point during the session. Ketamine and LSD next time :D

Reports to follow. Thanks :)
 
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Delta-9-THC said:
Interesting how dose response on this one seems to vary quite a bit. Some people seems to require much higher doses while others get off on a fairly small amount. Luckily I seem to be one of those people. A little over 20mg was one of the most intense trips yet.
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Seems in my experience, tryptamines do usually vary a great deal from person to person at times. I have not yet tried this substance, but I'm one of the more unlucky ones, as an 8th of shrooms doesn't seem to have nearly the effect as it does on most people. Seems to be the case with a select other few I know as well, even on their first experiences with mushies.
 
Paperw8 said:
Seems in my experience, tryptamines do usually vary a great deal from person to person at times. I have not yet tried this substance, but I'm one of the more unlucky ones, as an 8th of shrooms doesn't seem to have nearly the effect as it does on most people. Seems to be the case with a select other few I know as well, even on their first experiences with mushies.
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It's called a hard head :p
 
:p might be. However I consider myself a lightweight in most other subtances. It's only mushies that I've had this natural "tolerance" to, and I've seen this type of tolerance cross over to other tryp's for friends.
 
Dear BlueLight:

I just received my 4-Aco-DMT, and..

I want you to pick my starting dose.. If a respected PD member comes along, please read and guide me ;)

Here's a few guidelines:
-Will be eaten (had enough snorting last week with so much fucking cocaine).
-I am a psychedelic hardhead, and I can handle my shit. My first acid trip was a 10-strip. Have used 2C-I/E/B/C, acid, shrooms, K, nitrous, DMT etc etc.
-Just took a mild 4-hit (LSD) trip last weekend (alone with a LOT of really really good coke, the pills I mention below, some 4-MMC, and hey why not, some liquor)... So, I don't need to "Ease into" this one, I need that sparkle...
-I also have various benzos on hand, though I'm really doubting I'll need any. So don't worry about that. Just tell me where the "magic dose" is.
-My stomach is empty right now, I ate a bowl of Frosted Mini Wheats 11 hours ago. That's it.
-I have pot, obviously.
-Should I eat it with a (clean, MDMA) pill, or is it really not necessary?
These are the pills I have. Have taken them before. They feel very clean to me.
The reason I ask is because of reading Xorkoth's descriptions of the 4-Aco-DMT combo with αMT, and the combo sounds like such a divine time. However, I'm waiting on my αMT, which hasn't come in yet, and the Danes aren't answering my e-mails either unfortunately.
So I thought, maybe X instead of αMT?

I don't want to be underwhelmed.

I've got Blue Mystic and the Ethyl version of that as well, but those are much too long for what I want tonight. :D

<3

If you don't know any the above, or tl;dr, what about redosing? Short-term tolerance? I don't find myself really able to boost up my experience with an LSD redose, only seems to prolong it, but I can never get higher than my initial dose blasted me, it seems. For 4-aco, Say, starting at 15mg and taking another 8 once you hit the peak to take it up to about 20mg? (I add a little bit due to time in between doses...), or something similar, would that work? Or would it be useless and only serve to tease me with another few hours of the same effects that I wanted to BOOST... Doses are examples, I'd probably start at something like 18 or 20mg.
 
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I will tell you how I intend to personally test any new compound in the future.

Before I try any new compound I will research the compounds typical dosage and effects profile. I will write in my journal about the effects that I desire to produce in myself by consuming the new chemical. This journal will be used each trial to record as completely as possible an effects profile for the drug at each particular dosage level.

When I find that I am ready and the time is right for the experiment I will consume 250 micrograms or less as a test to determine whether or not I am abnormally hypersensitive to the chemical. Then, I will perform a series of tests each no closer chronologically than 48 hours after the previously performed test. Each test subsequent to the inital 250 microgram test I will consume no more than double the previous dose each trial, continuing in this fashion until I reach a dosage that is capable of producing thresheold effects in a good number of other experimenters. In the case of 4-AcO-DMT I would say that my 8mg dosage would be where I would draw the line for stage two. At this point each consecutive trial will have a dosage not more than 2mg higher the the previously tried dose. I will continue increasing the dosage in this fasion as I see fit with each experiment now being no closer than 5 days. When I reach a dosage level that produces threshold effects in myself I will continue increasing the dosage by no more than 2mg each consecutive trial, however I will space each trial no closer than 10 days after the previous trial.

If I ever experience any worrying physical effects at any dosage I will consume half that dosage on my next trial, continuing to increase the dosage in smaller increments than I had previously. If I consistently experience the same disturbing physical side effects I will consider to be a sign of toxicity in my body rather than a psycosomatic result of my worrying and will discontinue use of the chemical.
 
Hey quick q. What is a fumarate? I know what an hcl but what is a fumarate of a substance chemically mean? Also, I am considering ordering from a vendor I found. How has that worked out for other people. Is it worth it? Is this substance worth the price associated with it compared to regular mushrooms? I like the idea of being able to actually measure the amount to use for research though...
 
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