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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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So I tried this one at 25mg last night looking for something very intense... not quite ego death (which later in the trip I realized is what I did want) but a definite ego bruising. I've tried this compound at 18mg and 12mg prior.... the first was very very intense and I enjoyed it very much. The second was pretty mild, really.... but I thought for 12mg I was tripping pretty decently.

Last night, I didn't find my trip too strong at all. I normally find 3g of shrooms too strong and am generally a mild lightweight for tryptamines. Is this some sort of tolerance even though I haven't tripped in a couple of weeks or is the experience really that variable?

What dose do you think would cause some reality ripping at the seams without a blackout? I also was considering mixing with 2c-c... would it be best to take together or take the 2c-c when I start to come down from the 4-aco-dmt?

I also noted that my experiences don't last as long as it seems they do for you guys... I usually come up within 30 minutes and peak around an hour. I come back from that dreamy haze about t+3:00 and am completely back to baseline by t:+5:00.

Any help anyone?
 
isotopic_parody said:
I also noted that my experiences don't last as long as it seems they do for you guys... I usually come up within 30 minutes and peak around an hour. I come back from that dreamy haze about t+3:00 and am completely back to baseline by t:+5:00.
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that timeline sounds about right.

though this one has been known to be pretty variable in how long it lasts in different indivduals.
 
Do you guys also experience wide variances in effects regardless of dose? Similar to a way that ++++ experiences are had not based upon dose?

that 18mg was pretty damn strong... and this 25mg experience was considerably weaker... almost as weak as the 12mg trip I took. I just can't seem to wrap my mind around why this happened. What doses do you take for a very heavy trip??
 
isotopic_parody said:
Do you guys also experience wide variances in effects regardless of dose? Similar to a way that ++++ experiences are had not based upon dose?
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yes. though i have only done it 4 times, at doses of ~10mg-23mg, the intensity of effects does not seem to be very consistent (i mean it is always pretty subjective with psychedelics, but it seems less consistent than other psychs) with dosage. that may be because i don't have much experience with it though
 
The past 2 times ive done it, it was at 27-28mg and both times around the 30-45MIN point it was as if i snorted DMT cause i went into A little trance where my head drooped and i was coming into and out of it for around 30 minutes It seems. Lizards and other faint creatures were felt out there somewhere but hard to make out. It came on extremely fast. It wasn't as intense as smoked DMT but not too far from snorted DMT. Nothing like smoked DMT in intensity. I had major valium in my system like 100mg plus of it the nite before. And it seemed to have effect in intensity but what about the halfass breakthourgh if you wanna call it that . I have major tolerance to Diazepam so 100mg doesnt do much to me when 30-40mg of the same batch would put me out. Fast metabolism perhaps? Also I was told snorted 4-aco-dmt was an active route but 10mg did nothing. I think its the fumarate salt. Sorry if its been covered already.
 
Inzo said:
i went into A little trance where my head drooped and i was coming into and out of it for around 30 minutes It seems.
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I'm curious about what you mean about your head dropping. On both 4-AcO-DMT and psilocin this has happened to me. It signals moving into a qualitatively different stage of the trip, one that's much more visionary and consistent in content. On more than one occasion the first thing I've seen after closing my eyes has been a psychedelicized image of my face with eyes closed. I've had it happen at the peak, but also at three hours in as soon as the credits of a movie I had been watching started to roll (like it was waiting for my attention).

If you've ever done that thing where you have someone hold your arms at your side while you try to raise them up outstretched into a "T" formation for 60 seconds, and then they let go and even though you try to rest your arms they raise up towards the T formation by themselves, that's what the head drop I'm referring to feels like. Unless you resist it, it happens on its own. If I walk in this state it's hunched over and I feel extremely heavy. The head thing goes away when I lie down.

Maybe you were just describing being slumped over in trance, but I'm curious to know if anyone has experienced what I'm talking about. It's only ever happened to me with 4-AcO-DMT and psilocin, but it happens a lot.
 
Ya, head drooped like in trance where i had to surrender to the effects. 4-ACO-DMT comes on very fast for me like in 5-10 min after a 25-30mg dose effects are already noticed. Maybe thats for everybody, dont know.
 
OK thats the last time I'm weighing 4-AcO without latex gloves - keep getting ulwelcome (sub)threshold effects from minute amounts!
This stuff is crazy potent in a particular way or absorbs through the skin?, I never got this with other stuff.
 
I normally don't use latex gloves when measuring generally get a good bit on my fingers (up to 20mg). I agree I get sub-threshold effects... barely breaking through to threshold at times.... However, I generally welcome them! I normally don't weigh things out unless I have the day to spare to a trip if needed... just in case.
 
Ok, this begs the question: is there a way to dose this stuff through the skin properly? Someone's got to try it if it's really that active just by handling the powder.

Are you guys sure that you didn't accidentally inhale some?
 
Listening said:
Ok, this begs the question: is there a way to dose this stuff through the skin properly? Someone's got to try it if it's really that active just by handling the powder.

Are you guys sure that you didn't accidentally inhale some?
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Of course, that's a possibility... I didn't notice that I did that... but it's possible.

I don't think this would be an effective way of dosing, though. I only get (sub)threshold doses from getting nearly 20mg on my fingers. (normally when I'm taking a larger amount and putting it into solution... shit gets a little difficult to work with as it's really clumpy and sticks to things well.) To get a full dose, there is no telling how much you'd have to be caked with... it would just be a waste of material.
 
One of the best effects I've gotten from it was the sensation that I was radiating light into my surroundings from my inside! It felt like I was a regular firefly, although I doubt fireflies also feel a spiritual vibration in their core acompanying it :D
 
Listening said:
Ok, this begs the question: is there a way to dose this stuff through the skin properly? Someone's got to try it if it's really that active just by handling the powder.

Are you guys sure that you didn't accidentally inhale some?
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I've noticed a similar (sub)threshold type thing while weighing, but could be due to inhalation. One time definitely due to inhalation. I was weighing out some 14mg caps on with my mg scale on the dinner table across from the window AC unit. The AC was set on a delay and the digital display had gone out, i assumed it was off as I didn't know the display was out. All of a sudden click... hummmm... poof... about 55mg of 4aco-dmt in the face :p As I'm sure you're all aware the stuff tastes horrible and is none to pleasant in the nose either. Definitely tripped balls. I scraped what i could into a vial, put my stash & mg scale in their respective places and had just enough time to put Phish Live in Brooklyn in the dvd player before i started feeling it. Also, after being hit in the face with that much psilacetin i decided to just roll with it and licked my fingers after wiping the stuff off my face. Luckily I didn't have anything terribly important to do that day, and my semi-daily bicycle ride to the tobacco & grocery store was far more interesting.
 
anyone have experienced some changes in effects os psilacetin with 1 year or more of room temp storage? my curiosity is for the suposed "degradation" in 4-ho-dmt. It´s pretty stable the fumarate salt?
 
thanks a lot, i live in spain and summer is very hot (about 35º C) and room temp a whole year worries me a bit in terms of degradation... and freezer seems too wet to storage properly
 
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