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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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10-12mg was my first dose, and first experience with any RC. It was a great start, I would reccomend that dose, than later bumping it up to 25mg+ for a stronger experience like Delsyd suggested.

Happy trails <3
 
It is in the fumarate salt... my question is really about being in solution of dH2O with a little etOH for sterility...

I think I will start with 15mg, then... that was my original plan until I found so many people saying 30-40mg was there sweet spot... In all honesty, I am pretty sensitive to mushrooms... I have never taken more than 3g... and that was a very confusing experience.. 2.2g - 2.5g tends to be a good spot for me... (where as, when it comes to phenethylamines, I generally am a real hard-head)

Thanks for the advise everyone... if anyone else has any information about the stability of the fumarate salt in dH20 solution?
 
I started for my first time at 30mg.....was blown away......literally floored.

Tried again this weekend at the low end, see what was what....did 6mg, expecting little, was amazed at the results....I say it compares to many 1.5 to 2 gram mushie adventures I have done.

So I am sensitive to this....nice! About an hour in this last time on 6mg, I added 150mg of methylone for an amazing euphoria that was unlike any previous higher dose methylone outing.

It was epic.........so I guess that is some form of RC hippyflip? I will be doing that combo again.

Added bonus, I used much less methylone than usual and only felt the need to bump it once, 3 hours after the initial methylone bomb.....that is the most self control I had had with it, and the bump was still amazingly effective (only did like 40mg, railed)
 
25mgs for my kitty was stronger than an 8th of regular amazon cubensis.

Although my kitty told me that people were playing it down to try and squeeze a better deal out of her. They said it was like half an 8th......although they always try to get free drugs and play the broke kid games hoping the kitty didnt try it out. She never says if she has tried it or not to see who is honest and who will try to hustle her.
 
So I'm considering an IV or possibly IM trial with 4-AcO-DMT in a few weeks. It will be the first time I've used either ROA for any drug myself, although I've personalyl seen people shoot up several times. I'll probably inject sterile saline before I go through with the real deal, just for practice. I've already tried the oral and nasal routes for it with a lot of success.
Are there any opinions on trying 4-AcO-DMT as my first IV experience? I've done all the searching I could as far as this substance goes and I'm pretty familiar with IV precautions, that sort of thing. I am still a bit worried about the possibility of having a "bad trip" due to the possibility negative associations/concerns with the method itself arising. If I do go through with this, I will try my best to avoid having those kinds of thoughts, and I've had my fair share of "bad trips" on other substances so I feel somewhat prepared in the task of avoiding certain thought loops.
Does anyone have any advice or reasons this might be a bad idea? I'm still in the deciding stages so I'll take any response you might have :\.
 
Thanks, I'd read that one before but I enjoyed reading it again. I don't know if I'll try all of 30mg, but I am interested in a DMT-like breakthrough experience, although I'm not entirely sure the two should be equated. I will report back in week or so if I decide to do this.
 
I would say start with NO MORE than 20mg IV your first time. I've seen an experienced tripper completely lose control of reality and go nuts on 30mg IV and piss himself multiple times and run around the streets acting nuts, completely blacked out.
 
14mg of 4-aco-dmt + 1.5 grams of shrooms was pretty fantastic, but a little underwhelming to be honest. Not much in the visual department but real nice mental aspect.
 
I had a very strong and bewildering experience Thursday night with 15mg 2C-E (orally) and 10mg 4-AcO-DMT (rectally). I am probably going to post a trip report some time in the near future. I can sum it up now by saying I thought I physically died and went to purgatory. It was both terrifying and amazing.

As a result, though, I've decided against the IV route for the time being. I've got enough to think about for now :\.
 
Something that worked well for me with this one on multiple occasions was dosing as follows:

Measure 32mg, split into a 10mg dose and a 22mg dose. I like to dissolve them in orange juice beforehand. At time t = 0, take the 10mg dose. Whenever any initial discomfort during the come-up has faded (60-90 minutes in my case), take the 22mg dose. This works on a relatively empty stomach, meaning only a small amount of food the day of the trip.

Some of the most useful and illuminating trips I've taken were after dosing this way. :)=D:|<3

On an unrelated note, my first couple of trips with this one were far more visual than later ones. The visuals sort of disappeared, but not as a result of tolerance. Has anyone else noticed this? I don't think there was a detectable loss of potency.
 
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Something that worked well for me with this one on multiple occasions was dosing as follows:

Measure 32mg, split into a 10mg dose and a 12mg dose. I like to dissolve them in orange juice beforehand. At time t = 0, take the 10mg dose. Whenever any initial discomfort during the come-up has faded (60-90 minutes in my case), take the 12mg dose. This works on a relatively empty stomach, meaning only a small amount of food the day of the trip.

Some of the most useful and illuminating trips I've taken were after dosing this way. :)=D:|<3

On an unrelated note, my first couple of trips with this one were far more visual than later ones. The visuals sort of disappeared, but not as a result of tolerance. Has anyone else noticed this? I don't think there was a detectable loss of potency.

i find that changing the trip setting restes these factors for me, do you trip in the same place? Also, i noticed visuals more while smoking first and through out the trip than some nitrous.
 
something tells me this drug would kick major ass with an Maoi inhibitor

I once took 25mg o 4-AcO-DMT about two hours after 150mg harmine HCl. It did indeed kick my ass 8o:?. None of my other trips come close in "otherworldliness." it didn't matter if my eyes were open or closed; the visuals, characterized by fractals made of eyes, stretched on to infinity all around me. I encountered mantid-like entities who experimented on whatever was left of "me" after a terribly anxiety-filled come-up ("Too much too fast").

I'd recommend trying it, but only for someone experienced with a sitter, and at a lower dose than what I did.:)
 
i find that changing the trip setting restes these factors for me, do you trip in the same place? Also, i noticed visuals more while smoking first and through out the trip than some nitrous.

I do mostly trip in the same place. Indeed, my first few trips with this substance were also my first trips in this location.

My theory is that there's a sort of psychological tolerance to the effects: I could take 25mg without any tolerance and hardly trip, but initially, 25mg was a strong +++. I went as far as 43mg once with no tolerance and just felt high. The dosing regimen I posted was an attempt to alter the timeline of the trip enough that the experience would feel new, by using a small dose as a "launch pad" for the rest of the trip. It seemed to work, but YMMV.
 
I finally had my first taste of 4-Aco-DMT yesterday, after having sat on it for a while. Before this, my experience with psychedelics was with a few mushroom trips (~2g) and a few 2c-e trips (~18mg), as well as some DMT. I dove in with 20mg of 4-Aco-DMT, taken orally in a capsule at 11 AM. I started feeling the come up at about T+30m as my wife was driving us to a huge / beautiful cemetery on the mountain here. The come up was slightly uncomfortable, but far less so than any other trip I've had thus far.

While out in the cemetery and nature, it was tough to gauge the visuals, other than to say that everything was very detailed and beautiful, and many things seemed to be reaching for the sky. Color and contrast was enhanced everywhere and every second tree caught my eyes with its majesty. My mood the entire time there was calm and somewhat somber, likely because it was a cemetery. I spent a lot of time thinking about my father and my own personal issues. It was a great experience.

At about T+2h we came back home. It was only when we got home that I realized how strong the visuals were; everything had a mushroomy (tryptamine) look to it. Certain colors (ex. bright orange) stood out insanely. The house was a mess, but due to my state, it seemed impossibly messy and dirty. I vacuumed and cleaned for a while but it was a hopeless/frustrating experience since every blemish stood out so prominently. In certain lighting there was a white blown-out haze surrounding my vision. My pupils were huge.

At ~T+5h, we went to go see a movie. By this time the visuals had mostly subsided. However, we smoked a joint outside the theater, and it all came back. For the first half of the movie the characters all seemed to have 4 eyes. (BTW, we saw A Serious Man which was absolutely incredible and totally psychedelic in so many ways; a Coen brothers must-see, especially if you had a jewish upbringing, like myself).

If this first trip was any indication, I think I'm going to become good friends with this chemical. It did have a lot of the mushrooms feel to it, even if it was different in certain ways. It was certainly cleaner/smoother in many respects and felt much easier to deal with, while still letting you go deep. Not a replacement for mushrooms, but great stuff all the same.
 
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