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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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No, I think he was serious... a lot of people seem to think that all of the 4-sub-Ts are indistinguishable and most of the differences are due to expectation (some even say you couldn't really tell the difference between the 2C-Xs except for duration, which i insane to me - maybe if you only tried them each once or twice so didn't have enough basis for comparison or something). I think that's ridiculous though, for some of them. Granted, some of the more generic 4-sub-Ts might be hard to distinguish. But 4-AcO-DMT is substantially different than 4-HO-DMT and mushrooms (which are also substantially different from one another by the way) enough that I can say with absolute certainty that I could tell them apart easily. 4-AcO-DMT has a totally different body feel, at least to me. Maybe this is not true for everyone but it definitely is for me. For me, 4-AcO-DMT is as different from mushrooms as 4-HO-DiPT is from the other 4-sub-Ts (although not as different as DiPT is from its cousins MiPT, DMT, DPT, etc).

I'd love it if someone would set up a double-blind study to prove me right on this because I'm that confident about it.
 
Xorkoth said:
I'd love it if someone would set up a double-blind study to prove me right on this because I'm that confident about it.
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ill be the rat, so all yall package that shit up and send it this way =D ill tell you the difference

this is for the sake of psychedelic liberty and freedom
 
I did a blind study with some friends who assured distinguish 4-aco-dmt of the 4-ho-dmt, and all to guess correctly.
It is not an entirely scientific research, but personally I am worth.
 
Had a first trial of this compound last night at 17mg, and all I can say is WOW!!! no amount of reading I have done could prepare me for the actual experience. I was in a place outside of time and space and thought....my first taste of ego-loss. My memory of the experience is but a vague impression, like trying to remember a dream.

It's incredibly difficult to put into words, but I will be writing a trip report today. I'm looking forward to exploring this one further...
 
underground_troll said:
Had a first trial of this compound last night at 17mg, and all I can say is WOW!!! no amount of reading I have done could prepare me for the actual experience. I was in a place outside of time and space and thought....my first taste of ego-loss. My memory of the experience is but a vague impression, like trying to remember a dream.

It's incredibly difficult to put into words, but I will be writing a trip report today. I'm looking forward to exploring this one further...
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Ah yes, the actual moment of ego loss is beautiful... The endlessly wordless wonder of being completely in the moment and everything unfolding perfectly as it is.
 
underground_troll said:
Had a first trial of this compound last night at 17mg, and all I can say is WOW!!! no amount of reading I have done could prepare me for the actual experience. I was in a place outside of time and space and thought....my first taste of ego-loss. My memory of the experience is but a vague impression, like trying to remember a dream.

It's incredibly difficult to put into words, but I will be writing a trip report today. I'm looking forward to exploring this one further...
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Please do write a report... I look forward to reading it. :)

I always write reports for my significant experiences. They're a way to not only allow everyone else in the community to share your experience, but also to provide yourself with a way to start integrating and understanding the experience. And just like writing down dreams so you can remember them rather than lose them, it's good to write down your experiences so you can solidify them in your mind, and come back at a later time and remember everything about them.
 
Just stuck 14mg of the Fumarate in a capsule. Proceeded to lodge it up my bum. Does anyone know what to expect from plugged Psilacetin? Thought I read something about it before in this thread. Will be adding Nitrous to the equation and possibly snorting some more Psilacetin. Anyone care for a TR?
 
Plugged 4-AcO-DMT should come up significantly fasster than oral, and the dose should be reduced by up to 50%. Thje faster come-up can create a more overwhelming experience... I find that sometimes for me it's so fast that it feels more like DMT than anything else, and it can be hard to utilize the experience. However 4-AcO-DMT is extremely fast for me even orally, starting in 10-15 minutes, so if it takes a lot longer than that for you, it may be good for you plugged. In any case, it won't hurt you, and you won't know unless you try. :)

Basically, rectal administration (and anything that gets it into your bloodstream faster) will result in higher peak plasma levels of the drug, which will result in somewhat different and faster effects.
 
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Yeah but he stuck it in a gel cap first, so I expect it will take even longer to dissolve and kick in.

The proper way to stick things up your arse would be to dissolve it in a little solution (water) and squirt it up there :)
 
That's true, but at the same time,a gel cap will still be faster than oral, even oral without a gel cap. I used to only use an oral syringe for rectal admin but lately on the occasion that I use it (usually if I'm tripping it's DOC which works the best orally in my experience), I generally just stick it in a gel cap, moisten the gel cap a bit so it dissolves a bit faster, and do it that way. Works almost as fast, though not quite. That can actually be a good thing though sometimes, especially with 4-sub-Ts which are really fast already.
 
Okay. I've finally read the archived big and dandy thread and this one. I will thankfully be able to acquire some of this revered substance. And I have a few questions.

Whats IM experience like in comparison to oral? My preferred method of 2C-E ingestion is IM.

I've always been one for testing water in terms of heroic doses. Having done 30mg IM 2C-E and 50mg Oral. I was wondering especially in relation to IV 4-AcO-DMT. I've only heard of 30 or so mg being the highest IV dose and it being similar to a pure DMT experience. Would an increase in IV dose cause a much more DMT-Like breakthrough?

Has anyone tried mixing 4-AcO-DMT with things like DXM? Or am I going to have to be the test-dummy :P. Also what effect does weed have on the 4-AcO-DMT experience?
 
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4-aco-DMT + Ketamine is perhaps my favorite of all combinations. And I *have* had amazing experiences with Mushrooms + DXM in the past.

These days the thought of DXM makes me gag at the dirty body buzz and GI distress.

I can't speak for the efficiancy of IM/IV route of administration.

Also, IMO, 4-aco-DMT is better than N,N-DMT ... so why try to make it into something it's not? :)
 
bluedolphin said:
Also, IMO, 4-aco-DMT is better than N,N-DMT ... so why try to make it into something it's not? :)
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I don't doubt that it isn't. Just that I've always wanted to try DMT however in Aust its about impossible for me to find, but I'm probably pretty unconnected haha. So you know if I can kill 2 birds with one stone and have a DMT-esque experience with some 4-AcO then why not? :)
 
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Acacia maidenii tree is native to your neck of the planet and contains DMT. Extracting it isn't really that hard if you are just trying to get a personal stash.

Back to 4-aco-DMT :)
 
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^Um no, I seriously SERIOUSLY doubt that. I mean, especially with the whole, 4-aco-dmt is a completely different drug than shrooms and all...let alone 4-aco-dmt vs 4-ho-dmt....like 4-aco-dipt vs. 4-ho-dipt....lol, are you fucking kdding? This is nothing personal (in rehards to YOU, my friend), but knowing the PD forum, I think everyone in here with at least 1/3'rd of a functioning brain would agree with me on this...maybe you agree too ...maybe you already knew but were bored or some shit...Happy trails
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Nope, I find many psychedelics indistinguishable. 4-AcO-DMT is identical to P. cubensis to me, and P. cubensis is identical to P. cyanescens to me as well. The variability of each of these psychedelics is great. Sometimes the same dose of the same chemical/mushroom lasts 3 hours, sometimes 10. Sometimes I have intense OEVs and full blown hallucinations from 4g of cubensis, and other times I'll get almost no visuals and intense physical sensations and thought loops, and yet other times I'll just get giggly like I smoked lots of pot. All from the same batch, with no tolerance.

I probably couldn't tell the difference between LSD and 2C-E if not for the fact that 2C-E has that distinct phenethylamine/amphetamine body high.
 
bluedolphin said:
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Yeah but he stuck it in a gel cap first, so I expect it will take even longer to dissolve and kick in.

The proper way to stick things up your arse would be to dissolve it in a little solution (water) and squirt it up there :)
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Had too much of the tryptamine's lazy spirit to get around to writing a report. Instead, I dove right in to my art. My pastels became beacons for my emotions, I'd consider it a form of synesthesea. I felt I was taking my most deepest, darkest inner emotions and translating them through the median of pastel in to the form of shape and color. Which helped immensely as i stumbled upon a very disturbing past memory that had been previously been repressed for a while. I had came to it at previous trips, but it seemed this time I was able to bear it and work through the worst of it.

Rectal as opposed to oral... I noticed the capsule in the butt took longer than in the stomach. Up the butt felt more like it was extended release. Lasted probably an hour longer than any of my previous 4-AcO-DMT trips. Certainly hit me harder as well. Usually with this stuff I can act like I'm sober (though being experienced with 20+ trips can help). Here I was completely off face from a dose I'd normally be able to handle with a breeze. Not frightening at all, I would just sit there thinking "holy fuck I am way high" - then back to my art. I noticed a really pleasant feeling in my ass too. I termed it "tryptamine anal energy". It felt as if all the energy of the drug was being channeled through my anus and then spread to the rest of my core. About as close to an ass orgasm as I have ever been, never had anal sex though. Visuals seemed to focus more on movement - likened more to L and miprocin. Still retaining the sparkling colorful visuals I get with the drug.
 
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