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Benzos The Benzodiazepine MEGA THREAD - Direct Benzo Questions Here

When I was in detox, there was only one dude sicker than me (which was pretty fucking sick) He was kicking a 20 year benzo addiction. He had 3 seizures in the span of a week and couldn't even talk, let alone walk for any period of time longer than a few seconds.. and he was still that sick even when I left after 2 weeks...
 
^ Holy shit, the poor guy. :(


Stratofortress, I read your piece. You're totally right, from an outsiders point of view a benzo user must look so self destructive. For ages as I was so happy inside, I didn't realise people around me knew I had a problem. Take care and good luck in rehab, I hope things work out for you.
 
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Last night I purchased 4 2mg xanax but these looked strange. Small, thick, and broke into odd shaped pieces. ME and my gf took one each and barely remember the night at all. Which is wierd for just 2mg. Today we took it in the morning and at that point it became obvious it was not a benzo. Before realizing, we took about 15mg hydrocodone each and now we are scared. Feel way too fucked up. Breathing troubles. What should we do? Please help asap

And just vommited which I don't do on 15mg of hydro
 
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Last night I purchased 4 2mg xanax but these looked strange. Small, thick, and broke into odd shaped pieces. ME and my gf took one each and barely remember the night at all. Which is wierd for just 2mg. Today we took it in the morning and at that point it became obvious it was not a benzo. Before realizing, we took about 15mg hydrocodone each and now we are scared. Feel way too fucked up. Breathing troubles. What should we do? Please help asap

Uh, call an ambulance?
 
Man I though this forum was a harm reduction?

It is. And the ultimate form of HR, if you are worried about your psychical safety.. is to seek out medical attention immediately. We are not doctors here.. and we certainly can't give you any real life or death advice based on a few sentences in a post of yours. If you really feel worried, get help. At the very least, call a sober friend to come over and watch you and make sure nothing happens. That way in the event an OD does occur, or whatever else, he can call for help.
 
OK thank you. Just can't think clearly right now

The fact that you can still even type a coherent sentence, post online, and ponder your own health.. is a good sign. Usually, when an overdose occurs, the person just goes from being fine to being unconscious.. But still, if your girl for instance starts to become unresponsive to stimuli, especially pain like a hard pinch or a sternal rub... call an ambulance. Also look out for a graying of the skin and lips turning blue.
 
Sorry if i came across as patronising. Here in the UK you don't really get into legal trouble if you OD and have to go to hospital. It's happened to me a number of times. I didn't stop to think that this might not be the case in other countries.


Edit: So did you turn out OK? What and how much did you take if you don't mind me asking?
 
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anyone know of anything else non addictive besides a benzo that had an anxiolytic effect?
Tried alot of things...just spoken to my doctor he has ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA on the equivalency of xanax to valium nor does the detox centre have ABSOLUTELY ANY IDEA of the equivalency of xanax to valium..what i mean by no idea is they both gave me different answers...one said 5-15mg valium = 6mg xanax, the other said 30-60valium = 6mg xanax

Is this an official chart ? http://www.benzo.org.uk/bzequiv.htm
 
Um 120mgs of Diazepam is equal to the effects 6mgs of Xanax would give you. As someone here posted before --No doctor really is going to prescribe you 40mgs of Diazepam 4 times a day besides a quack,Anyway the dose of Diazepam one would need differs. 120mgs ......of Diazepam would be a lot stronger than 6mgs of Xanax.
 
^damn. im a pill head and i could never see 120 mg of valium even over two days. stomaching even 60mg in a day sounds gross to me. especially if your redosing. the best part about valium is the first 2 hours. after that its dull. i find redosing valium the same day is about pointless. id love someone to tell me im wrong. maybe i needed to double the dose? i know with the shorter acting ones such as xanax, 1.5 mg in the AM feels like 1.5mg all over again 5 hours later(if u need to) and 5 hours after that.... the longer lasting half life benzos are not really worth redosing, which is where its nice to have some etizolam or xanax to lightly brighten the valium/klonopin dullness.
 
Um 120mgs of Diazepam is equal to the effects 6mgs of Xanax would give you. As someone here posted before --No doctor really is going to prescribe you 40mgs of Diazepam 4 times a day besides a quack,Anyway the dose of Diazepam one would need differs. 120mgs ......of Diazepam would be a lot stronger than 6mgs of Xanax.

You sure you got the right forum? lol...IME nope, from my pretty crap memory I needed a A LOT of Valium back when i ran out of xanax years ago
 
Hi guys, I am new to the forum and I have some questions that might be answered here. Sorry if this is too long. Basically in the last several months I have become very anxious in general. At first it was only associated with high stress situations but recently it has become kind of an everyday thing. It isn't so severe that I can't leave my house or be in social settings, but everyday situations put me into a panic-ey and uneasy state for some time. This persistent feeling of stress is a distraction and I feel that I cannot get as much done as I should be able to, I think much less clearly and easily loose my attention. I also become snappy and very irritable at these times towards anyone, my family, my girlfriend, and this really hurts me. It is quite peculiar because sometimes it isn't even caused by a specific stress in my mind like school or money or relationships etc., although sometimes it is, but just seems to come and go on a daily basis. I was diagnosed with aspergers as a child but have subsequently been told that I am remarkably normal for being such (although I’ve heard that this diagnosis is being removed from psychology?). Too many sensations like light or sound seem to cause it, as well as being in overwhelming situations. I rarely have panic attacks but they do happen.

I don't know what all this equates to, but I would really like it to go away. I really value my ability to just think clearly, which because of this I don’t take for granted anymore. I want to work in sciences and this might be a problem. Also I don’t want to be mean and short with the people I love, and shirk away from people I don’t know. I’ve been to psychologists, but the solutions offered there, although valid, don't help with the way I just become sensationally overwhelmed and spun into disfunction :( I recently started acupuncture and experiencing Chinese medicine, and I find that this appeals much more to the way I think than the clinical style of therapy, and i feel better at least and more positive in general as a result. STILL, my anxiety persists and Iv found that the only thing to relive my brain of this pain is using benzos, which i obtain illicitly, or worse, opiates when i can and feel the need to. Smoking pot doesn't really contribute to or take away from my anxiety, although I do it frequently. Because I have to resort to self-medicating, which is risky and expensive to me now, I'm going finally see a psychiatrist. Iv never been to one before and I’m a bit anxious/curious/cautious, so here are my questions.

I know that benzos are what help me and lift this burden off of me like a hundred pound weight. dia/clon-azepams in particular. How do I approach my doc about this preference? How do I not sound like a fraudulent drug seeker? I can’t tell him or her that I know what or why first hand, right? I am truly committed to changing this part of my brain, or whatever it is through my current treatment, I just need some help to begin getting there, so I can study down, get a job, be merry with my friends etc.. I also know that I do not want an SSRI, or anything like that. Is it bad that I also enjoy the effects of these drugs? I’m not just trying to be high all the time, and I understand that physical/psychological tolerance will even things out, but to what extent? That was a lot of questions, and I’m not sure this is the right place to put this so my apologies if it needs to be moved, but maybe y'all can help me out with some knowledge or experiences about this. like I said, I just have never been to a psychiatrist before and don’t know what to expect.
 
You sure you got the right forum? lol...IME nope, from my pretty crap memory I needed a A LOT of Valium back when i ran out of xanax years ago
120mgs of Diazepam is equal to about 6mgs of Xanax. Fact. Please read before you try to call me out. In your experience you needed more than 40mgs of Diazepam 4 times a day?! I call bullshit. 120mgs of Diazepam equals about 6mgs of diazepam in terms of anxiolytic effects. Some people may not need as much especially if they have never taken Diazepam and Yes you can take Diazepam more than once a day. If you need more than 120mgs of Diazepam you're not looking to detox at all. Diazepam is a stronger hypnotic than Xanax. I was on it for 2 1/2-3 years Straight and yea it lost effect but every benzodiazepine will do this over time. I know from personal shit experience that Diazepam will stay with you all day but that does not mean taking multiple doses wont have any anxiolytic effect.
 
I know 120mg is equal to 6mg according to that chart. I asked if you posted on another forum. No, in my experience that day when i ran out of xanax i needed A LOT of valium compared to the xanax i would need for an anxiolytic effect. I don't know what dose i took that day. Never wrote anything about doses. You misunderstood my post.

Back on topic, anyone know of anything else non addictive besides a benzo that has an anxiolytic effect?
 
that's because benzos aren't completely interchangeable. you may experience some discomfort switching from xanax to valium as they affect the gaba receptors in different ways, even if slightly. This is why some people and Drs recommend switching over slowly when changing benzos ie. 3mg xanax 60mg valium at first and keep upping one and lowering the other until you are switched.

non-addictive? not really, valerian root? hardly effective though. Kava kava maybe. There's also phenibut but it's addictive, kratom as well but addictive again. Gabapentin worked okay for me for anxiety but it's also addictive. Some of these substances are less addictive than benzos and some have worse withdrawals.

It depends on what you're looking for. I was reading some studies on etizolam and it sounds very promising as an anxiolytic. I've been taking it for a few weeks and it works quite well as an anxiolytic and hypnotic. I was reading it was less likely to produce a harsh withdrawal and had less cognitive defects. As well it shows a reverse tolerance after 2-4 weeks where the same dose becomes more effective and even acts as an anti-depressant. I can't remember where i was reading this but i'm sure i can dig up the studies if anyone is interested. There's also been a reliable source posted on BL somewhere stating that benzos in particular can maintain their efficacy for the long term if not abused. I imagine the same would apply to etizolam and other gabaergics.
 
what prescribed benzo would you guys closest relate phenazepam too? ive heard its closest to klonopin, thats what im hoping for. i took some about 2 hours ago and feel a little something, but not alot. and i feel more groggy than i do energetic, clonazepam makes me productive. im not going to redose but im thinking i may want to take a little more next time. ive been looking all over the web and have found alot of contradictory stories on how to make a proper 1ml/1mg solution. people swearing by propyl glycol, others saying use everclear, other people saying isopropyl alchohol. i have a scale that will accurately weight out 50mg but i see most people recommend 100 since its more reliable. can anyone point me in the right direction here? not trying to black out for days on end. will give it another go in a few days, hopefully with a solution and not just licking dust off my finger. i think i took too little, but better safe than sorry. -aphex
 
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