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The "American" parts of BL

Let's not get into the argument over what consititutes a 'bogus' diagnosis and maybe leave it to the relevant professional practitioners, shall we? There's no way you can diagnose somebody over the internet based on a BL post, therefore you declaring their diagnosis 'bogus' is pretty absurd if you think about it. Especially if (as I'm assuming) you're not one of the aforementioned professionals.
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I wouldn't presume to question anyone's diagnosis inparticular. I just think the sheer amount of people prescribed these drugs, when looked at alongside the lobbying power of the pharmaceutical companies, means that the professional opinion may, in some cases, be somewhat skewed. My main point is there seems to be a general uptightness about the doses of certain illegal drugs people choose to take, which seems a bit hypocritical given the prescribing culture over there.
 
I was given a 60x 5/500 Vicodin prescription when my wisdom teeth were extracted, jelly? They also tried to put me on SSRIs but I ripped the script up in front of the doctor. Took the Xanax script offered instead.

Be more jealous ;)


Haha, that is totally mental! I'm sure you really needed those :D You'd be lucky to be given a codein script that lasted more than 3 days here!
 
I think America has a much bigger presence of RCs on the street. As in your much more likely to encounter 2Cs etc and random stims being easy to obtain from a standard dealer. I can't confirm it as obviously I don't live there but one good example is Methylone, it's extremely popular over there and unheard of on the streets here really (so much so that people would think you were saying methadone or similar). I just put that down to the availability of the more classic/illegal drugs. Pharmaceuticals are obviously popular as they dominate the market when it comes to even the legal side of money, they also seem to get scripted a lot more but that could just be down to the population, so it's likely a lot of those will escape onto the black market. As for Methylone, MDMA doesn't appear to be as widespread over there and when it does it's shitty pills like Pokeballs. Over there it seems to be a risk of getting meth in your pills? (Anyone able to confirm?) which is pretty much unheard of here nowadays, so it's any wonder you'd switch to Methylone when you can get it much more pure. Baring in mind a lot of the pills that are mentioned on EADD are sourced from the Netherlands it's a whole different story getting pills into the US, from Europe I would assume.

As for the school/uni thing, that's the age a lot of people get into drugs. At least they are starting to learn the right information via Bluelight at that age rather than when they are 30. No harm in that.
 
The scope for being prescribed various forms of medicine for ADD in America is ridiculous. You basically go in and say "I have trouble focusing" and in a lot of cases that seems to be enough.

So what?

I still fail to see this as a problem if for every 'bogus' case there's even one 'genuine' case caught and treated accordingly. ADHD is something certain people seem to regard with a peculiar suspicion in this country, and it's backward. It exists, and unless society somehow makes adequate concessions for those people with ADD / ADHD etc. then you can hardly regard the treatment of such conditions as any different from providing wheelchairs for thoe paralysed from the waist down.

Britain in particular has a problem with mental health - if anything's overdiagnosed it's 'depression'. Every other doctor is dishing out SSRIs, or so it seems, at least on the NHS.
 
Wait a minute, more people from the UK smoke cigarettes than the US? Oh wait, I already knew that. What brand of cigarettes are they smoking again?

I think America has a much bigger presence of RCs on the street. As in your much more likely to encounter 2Cs etc and random stims being easy to obtain from a standard dealer. I can't confirm it as obviously I don't live there but one good example is Methylone, it's extremely popular over there and unheard of on the streets here really (so much so that people would think you were saying methadone or similar). I just put that down to the availability of the more classic/illegal drugs. Pharmaceuticals are obviously popular as they dominate the market when it comes to even the legal side of money, they also seem to get scripted a lot more but that could just be down to the population, so it's likely a lot of those will escape onto the black market. As for Methylone, MDMA doesn't appear to be as widespread over there and when it does it's shitty pills like Pokeballs. Over there it seems to be a risk of getting meth in your pills? (Anyone able to confirm?) which is pretty much unheard of here nowadays, so it's any wonder you'd switch to Methylone when you can get it much more pure. Baring in mind a lot of the pills that are mentioned on EADD are sourced from the Netherlands it's a whole different story getting pills into the US, from Europe I would assume.

As for the school/uni thing, that's the age a lot of people get into drugs. At least they are starting to learn the right information via Bluelight at that age rather than when they are 30. No harm in that.

^Exactly. RCs are available here, in fact, 2C-I was my introduction to psychedelics. Mushrooms and LSD are still widely available as well, however. I've only seen mephedrone once. And yes, a lot of E pills contain methamphetamine. However, cheap, high quality powder MDMA is also widely available...so nobody really messes with pills anymore (yes the powder is still tested and yes some of it is cut with methamphetamine).

So what?

I still fail to see this as a problem if for every 'bogus' case there's even one 'genuine' case caught and treated accordingly. ADHD is something certain people seem to regard with a peculiar suspicion in this country, and it's backward. It exists, and unless society somehow makes adequate concessions for those people with ADD / ADHD etc. then you can hardly regard the treatment of such conditions as any different from providing wheelchairs for thoe paralysed from the waist down.

Britain in particular has a problem with mental health - if anything's overdiagnosed it's 'depression'. Every other doctor is dishing out SSRIs, or so it seems, at least on the NHS.

SSRIs are pushed on Americans by doctors as well, as are opiates in some situations. Remember, pharm companies can market directly to doctors and patients here - my mom used to have a bunch of these she got at a medical convention (tags for size):

NSFW:

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/DRUG-REP-Super-Rare-OXYCONTIN-Pen-Ebays-ONLY-NEW-/00/$(KGrHqF,!lME1F4Spe1EBNeZ)eW)KQ~~_3.JPG
 
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they also seem to get scripted a lot more but that could just be down to the population

Nahh. American doctors are statistically more likely to write scripts for their patients, and American patients are statistically more likely to lie to their doctor too. Best of both.
 
Pain medications are under prescribed here in Ireland where the relic of a church ethos that once predominated in medicine prefers the moral certainties of pain to the moral hazards of addiction. You might die roaring but your immortal soul goes unblemished to the pearly gates, where if you can produce your Irish passport, baptismal cert and Celtic season ticket a discreet veil is drawn over your activities on earth and you have an eternity in paradise.

PD and ADD are excellent forums, conversely the cannabis and ecstasy forums are risible, there are many good and bad in betweenincluding EADD.
 
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So what?

I still fail to see this as a problem if for every 'bogus' case there's even one 'genuine' case caught and treated accordingly. ADHD is something certain people seem to regard with a peculiar suspicion in this country, and it's backward. It exists, and unless society somehow makes adequate concessions for those people with ADD / ADHD etc. then you can hardly regard the treatment of such conditions as any different from providing wheelchairs for thoe paralysed from the waist down.

Britain in particular has a problem with mental health - if anything's overdiagnosed it's 'depression'. Every other doctor is dishing out SSRIs, or so it seems, at least on the NHS.

The problem is that it clearly isn't a 50:50 split by any stretch of the imagination. ADD is obviously a spectrum and only the seriously unfocused kids need to be given adderal etc. Most are given it because they are misbehaved due to the shitness of parenting, and the rest just can't focus on stuff they don't enjoy. A lot of the mild cases can be treated with therapy and a change of diet, as well as using the appropriate parenting technique. 3% of all children don't need to be on amphetamines. It is quite clear that children have a tendency towards a lack of attention and impulsiveness, they are children. It seems all you have to do is highlight that they are children to drs in america to walk out with a script.
 
The problem is that it clearly isn't a 50:50 split by any stretch of the imagination. ADD is obviously a spectrum and only the seriously unfocused kids need to be given adderal etc. Most are given it because they are misbehaved due to the shitness of parenting, and the rest just can't focus on stuff they don't enjoy.

That just confirms the point I made earlier about people in the UK regarding the condition(s) and the diagnosis thereof with disproportionate prejudice and distrust. You've done nothing but list your own suspicions above.

Were I interested in the 'true / false' diagnosis debate I'd ask you to provide a source for your claims, but as I stated earlier, I'm not. It's for the people working in this field to answer, not those looking at the system from the outside. End of.

Back on track - how do people find the 'rest' of BL?
 
Thanks for the support, shima.

Also, Pennsylvania sucks.

That just confirms the point I made earlier about people in the UK regarding the condition(s) and the diagnosis thereof with disproportionate prejudice and distrust. You've done nothing but list your own suspicions above.

Were I interested in the 'true / false' diagnosis debate I'd ask you to provide a source for your claims, but as I stated earlier, I'm not. It's for the people working in this field to answer, not those looking at the system from the outside. End of.

Back on track - how do people find the 'rest' of BL?

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/ ;)
 
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That just confirms the point I made earlier about people in the UK regarding the condition(s) and the diagnosis thereof with disproportionate prejudice and distrust. You've done nothing but list your own suspicions above.

Were I interested in the 'true / false' diagnosis debate I'd ask you to provide a source for your claims, but as I stated earlier, I'm not.

Back on track - how do people find the 'rest' of BL?

lol you always seem to think you can get your last little word in and then finish with back on track, don't you? It's a common tactic i've seen you use. It lets you get your point in then pretend you're the bigger man and above half the shit you start yourself...

There was nothing I could have said, being on the opposing side of your argument, that didn't confirm your statement. It's like me saying that those in favour of more scripting don't view it with enough suspicion, it's a pointless argument that is easily self fulfilling and proves nothing. You seem to be of the opinion that over prescriping amphetamines to children is preferable to under prescribing them.

Any way, back on track 8)
 
It's for the people working in this field to answer, not those looking at the system from the outside. End of.

Not end of. If people from outside any field just doff their caps to 'Professionals', croneyism and damaging, self-serving behaviour is allowed to run rife within that profession. It's a sign of progress that professionals aren't impervious to public scrutiny anymore.
 
lol you always seem to think you can get your last little word in and then finish with back on track, don't you? It's a common tactic i've seen you use. It lets you get your point in then pretend you're the bigger man and above half the shit you start yourself...

Was that the irony bell again or was I dreaming?

Carry on...
 
I have nothing against America or Americans, I just know before clicking a topic that one or more of the above points will be mentioned. Its just a light hearted observation, not full blown anti-US hatred!

yeah, they are our allies, we'll leave the rest of the world to hate them and by association, us.
 
As a mod for the americun part of bl, especially OD, here are my observations:

I know I can't shoot this, but can you guys help me shoot this?

My script for x just got re-formulated, how do I break the abuse mechanism?

I just scratched my ass, then injected, why am I sick?

How do I keep my parents from finding out?
How do I keep my doctor from finding out?
How do I keep my teachers from finding out?

I just picked up a bag of white powder at the headshop, what is it?

I agree, it seems us drug users are not nearly as educated as our friends across the pond, is drug-ed part of primary or secondary school there?
 
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