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Yeah. But there are ways of dealing with it. I agree it's the worst part of a hangover, but it's also become such a regular feature of my weekends that I just remind myself that everybody was drunk, I was amongst friends who love me, and who will continue to seek out my presence despite all the stupid shit that I, and they, did the night before. Then I eat a massive meal, get stoned, watch a movie and take a nap and I'm ready to do it again the next night.
 
Thanks for the replies, its actually really reassuring to hear how you guys deal or put up with your anxiety.
 
Drink and be healthy, study says - but NZ docs disagree

Drink and be healthy, study says - but NZ docs disagree

American research has topped up the theory that a tipple a day is good for your health - but some New Zealand academics are no longer swallowing the idea.

Harvard University researchers checked the health at age 70 or older of nearly 14,000 women who were part of the long-running Nurses' Health Study, and related it back to their drinking in their late 50s.

They found that regular "moderate" alcohol consumption during middle age was associated in later life with good overall health, such as being free of cognitive impairment and chronic conditions such as heart disease.


Women who had drunk 5g to 30g of alcohol a day - half to three standard drinks in New Zealand measurements - had a 20 to 30 per cent greater chance than non-drinkers of having good overall health when older.

New Zealand guidelines recommend a maximum of three standard drinks a day for men, two for women.

Australia recommends no more than two for men and women.

The Harvard study found the greatest benefit, at around 50 per cent, was for people who drank on most days.

"The data suggests that regular, moderate consumption of alcohol at mid-life may be related to a modest increase in overall health status," the researchers say in the journal Proceedings of the Library of Science, Medicine.

But they warn that their findings relate only to middle-aged women, not men, because of the "distinct health effect of alcohol between men and women".

The idea that moderate drinking may be good for health is well entrenched, but has been increasingly questioned, including by New Zealand epidemiologists Professors Jennie Connor and Rod Jackson, who challenged the theory in Britain's Lancet journal in 2005.

Professor Connor, of Otago University, told the Science Media Centre the Harvard study added nothing to the many similar studies that were "unreliable for answering questions about the health effects of drinking because of their design".

The supposed health benefit might be due to differences in lifestyle - other than drinking - that were associated with being a low-risk drinker.

"It may be true that women who drink one drink a day are healthier than others, but we do not know if it has anything to do with the alcohol, as these women are not the same as others in a variety of ways."

There was no scientific justification for the promotion of alcohol as health-enhancing for any sub-group of the population.

"The potential for harm is great, and the potential for good is unknown."

THE STUDY

* Harvard University researchers checked the health at age 70 or older of nearly 14,000 women, and related this to drinking in their late 50s.

The conclusion

* Women who had drunk half to three standard drinks a day had a 20 to 30 per cent greater chance than non-drinkers of being in good overall health when older.​

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I do think that study is more correlation than causation... studies like this are well known to be skewed because there's a significant proportion of 'non drinkers' who are abstinent because they've been alcoholics in the past. Also, like it said, other lifestyle factors are likely to be at play - the significance of social connections contributing to a long, healthy life are well documented - and moderately drinking could easily suggest you have a satisfying social life. Also, there is probably a good number of people who don't drink because they have serious illnesses. All in all, I think it's very difficult to find any real meaning in studies such as this, but still a worthwhile article, thanks poledriver.
 
I did detox not long ago, i was in for Xanax and was surrounded by 40-60 year old women coming off alcohol. It is nothing but a poison. All but 1 seemed to have very noticeable cognitive impairment such as short term memory loss, confusion and irrational behaviour. Alcohol is a filthy, toxic drug that has no place in society.

I drink occassionally but fuck if i had the option of other pure drugs it certainly wouldn't be ethanol.
 
I've hit bluelight because I'm in a rough period of my recovery from alcohol addiction, alcoholism.

I started out partying, drinking heavy, meth was great at the time, drank for days. As soon as I started having a morning drink to get over a hangover, and have a drink in the middle of a weekday for no real good reason, except that it was fun. Or even when I was busy mon-fri 9-5, having a 6 pack each evening... I was starting a bad path. If you start to think about that evening drink at 3pm, and looking at the clock... shit you're already in trouble. Pull back dude.

Keep drinking to a weekend thing, don't ever drink every night, even if it is just 2 beers. Have at least a few nights off per week, especially if you plan to hit it hard on the weekend.
 
SoWhat! said:
Alcohol is a filthy, toxic drug that has no place in society.
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Thats your opinion mate, and I believe it most defiantly has a place in society. Too bad most drinkers don't know when to stop/can't handle they're piss...

I have recently made a pact to myself to stop drinkin durin the week. We'll see how this goes :\
 
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^ Stop drinking during the week you mean?

SOMEHOW I've managed to keep my drinking to the weekends only this past month or so. Pretty happy considering where I was before, when it was a struggle to even put my first drink off til 2pm! The baclofen I'm on for alcoholism seems to be really helping.
 
pisspotnrock said:
Thats your opinion mate, and I believe it most defiantly has a place in society. Too bad most drinkers don't know when to stop/can't handle they're piss...
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I reckon the vast majority who drink can handle it fine. Would like to read some stats but a couple drinks maybe 2-3 times a week sounds pretty average to me, lots who do it less than that also.

Alcohol has the potential like most drugs to be a complete nightmare...maybe worst than most because it's so available and socially acceptable + has a pretty awful dependence profile.

disposition said:
Ever since being on buprenorphine I find getting drunk to be absolutely no fun at all
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subutex (bupe only) or suboxone (with nalaxone)? there's plenty of reports of people on suboxone complaining of alcohol not being the same likely because of the nalaxone. it can be used to treat alcoholism. look into it and it may unfold a few things for you.
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Subutex, which I know might be surprising. I just find the combination to be horrible, it kills the nice warm comfortable happy glow and turns it into a kind of empty/cold intoxication.



Nice work footscrazy. Not an easy thing to do.
 
Christ! said:
I reckon the vast majority who drink can handle it fine.
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actually, you are probably right. I wouldn't say the vast majority but I should have been more specific with what I posted.. Through my experience (with parties, pubs n clubs), most drinkers in the age group of 16 - 25 can't handle their piss/don't know when to stop :p or atleast in my part of Australia..
 
^ I've seen that everywhere I've been in Australia. :\

I haven't had a drink in over two months. Not that I had a problem with alcohol, I just never really liked it and have just stopped drinking completely. I hate when people ask why I don't drink though and try to make a big deal out of it.
 
^ It seems to be the one drug where some people get almost pissed off if you refuse a drink, like it's offensive to them that you're not drinking.

Thanks Christ and pisspotnrock, it's def a good achievement for me! Good work cutting down too, pisspotnrock.
 
actually, you are probably right. I wouldn't say the vast majority but I should have been more specific with what I posted.. Through my experience (with parties, pubs n clubs), most drinkers in the age group of 16 - 25 can't handle their piss/don't know when to stop or atleast in my part of Australia..
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Yeah I know what you're saying. Young people in Australia commonly go overboard 8( I find it's slightly better now that I'm a bit older, but when I was 16 and 17 some of the parties I went to were ridiculous...always seemed to be several of those girls who end up crying/getting violent and/or self harming to get attention, they always ended up with vomit in their hair in some undignified position by the morning. There's nothing more charming than a scorned, alcohol fuelled teenager who's self respect is nil :\

I've been to London and it seemed even worse there...some of the ugliest human behaviour I've seen. I'd love to replace all the alcohol in a city with MDMA, just for a night.


Mr Blonde said:
I hate when people ask why I don't drink though and try to make a big deal out of it.
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Oh god I hate that too :p people seem to automatically think I have a problem and get that tone in their voice...either that or not being able to fathom in their wildest dreams why someone my age doesn't drink.
 
Mr Blonde said:
^ Yeah it's strange, people think something is wrong with you if you don't consume alcohol. Especially if you are young.
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thats basically the only reason i drink now that molly is back in force. a large portion of my friends (most) dont take drugs, so i have to give the impression that im just hammered drunk, and somehow having 15x the amount of fun that they are (lolol dumbfucks). The only problem with this, is i always seem to end up hammered drunk when the molly comes down, because i do drink alot, and it comes out when im coming down. but its good in a sense, never get a bad comedown from it. the only problem is the next day is about 3x worse =/.
 
^^^I've def started drinking more since i been taking mdma again.Im not a good drinker either once the molly wears off i get violent 8( and im not the biggest chap ^^^^Its amazing MDMA makes jack actuly drinkable tho :p


Christ! said:
Subutex, which I know might be surprising. I just find the combination to be horrible, it kills the nice warm comfortable happy glow and turns it into a kind of empty/cold intoxication.



Nice work footscrazy. Not an easy thing to do.
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I enjoy mixing some piss with some subxone (not alot and not all the time) def increase's the effects of alachol for me anyways.But def brings on the nausa
 
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^ That's interesting that you like the combo of suboxone and booze, naltrexone really takes the fun out of drinking, but naloxone probably has a short enough half life that it doesn't affect it much. Have you ever tried drinking soon after your dose?
 
footscrazy said:
^ That's interesting that you like the combo of suboxone and booze, naltrexone really takes the fun out of drinking, but naloxone probably has a short enough half life that it doesn't affect it much. Have you ever tried drinking soon after your dose?
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Naloxone has a sublingual BA of ~3% so unless he's shooting it there should be no issue
 
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