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The 6-APB thread (Part 2)

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Also today seems little closed eye visuals. I don´t see visuals usually nowadays even if I shoot 4-ho-met, 2C-E... I smell that stuff maybe can make epilepsy you now..:p
 
Roll on 1 August! Its amazing how much hype this new RC has caused! I for one cant wait, but can wait, i.e. not blow my hard earned readies on some shite of the internet, then only to think "mmm. not sure that was what it should be...!"

Tom
 
zamzams said:
Well that's strange as the reply i received said that all stocks of the initial synth would be sold before they begin to offer the new synth for sale

but like shambles said earlier, both synths are purer than gods jism compared to rc's like meph.
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Delsyd said:
how many times have you guys been given a release date?
why put more value on august 1st then any of the other lies?
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I suppose people want to believe in magic 8)

Let's just hope what they'll be selling is legal and not going to result in the son of Operation Ismene :\
 
Delsyd said:
how many times have you guys been given a release date?
why put more value on august 1st then any of the other lies?
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I heard that apparently because NRG1 has just been banned they'll be looking for the dust to settle for a couple of months now before releasing it.

December 1st is the new date i've heard...







only joking =D
 
Delsyd said:
what is NRG1?

i was under the impression it was a mix of cathinones left over from after the ban.
so its been illegal.

i dont think there was a law passed to ban this 1 brand named product.
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The hilarious part was that on the radio today i heard they had banned Nappydrone LOL
 
^ As vendor discussion is strictly prohibited on this site we are not allowed to discuss it but you should have worked out so far that what you were sold is not 6-apb. If not go back and read Skyline's and G-Zero's original reports in the TR section.
 
Psychonautical said:
Kinda like how potheads can say that they can determine different effects from different strain of pot... *shakes head*...
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You're a moron. Even in samples where THC is the only cannabinoid neither subjective intensity nor potency of cannabis samples is solely proportional to THC content. Why else would GW pharma go through all of the trouble to patent terpene and cannabinoid combinations for its medicines? For example, they have identified the terpenes present in skunk 1 and original haze. Although THC is the only real cannabinoid present in either line, they're planning to offer them as two separate products. If you were to ever smoke a standardized concentration of 10% THC to 90% inert material, you'd be surprised at how weak it is, compared to many herbal cannabis samples. Herbal cannabis has been shown scientifically to not only produce effects more intense than its THC level can account for, but also possess increased efficacy for medical applications. I highly doubt that you could honestly pick out which plant had the highest THC quantity out of blindly sampling material from truly diverse origins. Beta-caryophyllene is one such terpene present in pretty much all drug cannabis samples to varying degrees and functions as a CB2 agonist. CB2 agonists certainly modify the psychoactive effects of CB1 agonists and this is just scratching the surface of this area of study.
 
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Delsyd said:
ok, excuse my ignorance.

In the past when hearing 1st synth and 2nd synth in regards to 6-APB i just assumed 1st batch and 2nd batch.
The second one being supposedly more pure.

Are you trying to tell me they are using different synthesis routes to create the different batches.
and the one thats gong to be in the pellets is the 3rd synth?

So 3 different ways to make the shit, but its still not out?

Either you guys are misinterpreting the magical 5 or they are bullshitting you to keep you at bay untill they actually get the product in.
All this synth talk reaks of jenkem.

And as for MDAT. Im sure the chinese are using the quickest synth.
but whether it be 1st, 2nd or 5th, the end product should be THE SAME
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i assumed the same as you but you might be right and it may explain the delays.

if you think about it, investors have invested money in this and they want to see a decent return. This involves lengthy discussions with the lab as to how to keep the production costs as low as possible with as little product wasted as possible.

For example: if certain methods being used (on the first synth) resulted in a lot of product wasted or the methods simply weren't suitable for larger scale production (as we are being told) then to get ready for a larger scale operation they're going to have to refine all areas of the synthesis before they can commence with a full scale operation.

If they are now using different routes it would explain the further delays as they would then have to start all over in refining that process as well, if they are going to test other routes of synthesis it could be for a number of reasons but the main reason i suspect is to keep production costs down whilst on a larger scale.

We all know for a fact that this chemical is going to have a short life on the shelf due to the current threat of bans and blanket banning of all RCs. it makes sense for them to get as much return as possible in as short a time as possible.

So while we all wait the hype builds and builds and whilst they refine the synthesis they start to see a bigger potential return on their investment.

Edit: it would also make sense for them to use synth 1 in the first lot of pellets, synth 2 in the 2nd lot and so on. if they went straight in at synth 3 it wouldn't make sense as they'd have wasted a hell of a lot of product (that we're not seeing in samples anymore) so it's likely already gone into production to pellets.
 
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zamzams said:
Edit: it would also make sense for them to use synth 1 in the first lot of pellets, synth 2 in the 2nd lot and so on. if they went straight in at synth 3 it wouldn't make sense as they'd have wasted a hell of a lot of product (that we're not seeing in samples anymore) so it's likely already gone into production to pellets.
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Synth 1 has been around for ages, though. If they were just using that, why aren't pellets already on the market?
 
JohnnyVodka said:
Synth 1 has been around for ages, though. If they were just using that, why aren't pellets already on the market?
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fair point, maybe it's because they are scared that if they release it before full scale operation and it suddenly gets banned then they've wasted a couple of million euros getting the full scale operation going.
 
There are a number of issues here:

(1) It is not known whether 6apb is 100% legal in the UK. My feeling is that it probably is, but it is definitely a grey area in the legislation. No significant batch has been passed through customs yet, and this could result in untold delays, and maybe even the product will never pass. (Samples are different - they're small quantity and would escape attention).

(2) A particular Asian country has recently had a big crack down on pre-cursors, and I imagine the delays to date have arisen directly or indirectly from this, in terms of scaling the product into volume. Whether this has been overcome, I hope so, but the people of this country are somewhat less than honest and are shit scared of disappointing their wholesale customers, and will spuriously keep resetting expectations.

I actually like the way the official 5 have approached this so far, and they've been honest with everyone, and given away free samples. I fear however that August 1st is going to be another disappointment. I hope for them, me, and everyone it isn't though :D
 
@I nuk3d u
your points actually make more sense then my speculations

wouldn't it be an option for the vendors to control sales of it from abroad so that customer ordering it can just order it online and have it posted from outside the uk?

a mate of mine does this with other questionable legals and they always get delivered as like you say it's less likely to get stopped in small amounts.
 
I NUK3D U said:
There are a number of issues here:

(1) It is not known whether 6apb is 100% legal in the UK. My feeling is that it probably is, but it is definitely a grey area in the legislation. No significant batch has been passed through customs yet, and this could result in untold delays, and maybe even the product will never pass. (Samples are different - they're small quantity and would escape attention).

(2) A particular Asian country has recently had a big crack down on pre-cursors, and I imagine the delays to date have arisen directly or indirectly from this, in terms of scaling the product into volume. Whether this has been overcome, I hope so, but the people of this country are somewhat less than honest and are shit scared of disappointing their wholesale customers, and will spuriously keep resetting expectations.

I actually like the way the official 5 have approached this so far, and they've been honest with everyone, and given away free samples. I fear however that August 1st is going to be another disappointment. I hope for them, me, and everyone it isn't though :D
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its coming in from different route...not from china;)
 
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