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The 3-FPM Discussion Thread V2. Fumes of Fiend Fuel

10 days without any 3-FPM. Might be my new record.

This morning, I gave in.

Well, I actually have the urge and energy to change the discs on my car to drilled and grooved, plus new pads going in. Gotta stick the CAT back on too which requires getting right underneath it.

Jacking up and getting under a 3053lb car on your driveway, while on 3-FPM seems like a great idea...
 
englandgz74 said:
Thanks sprouty may well take you up on that later. Just had a nice chat to Sadie which cheared me up somewhat......what a lovely gir!!!!
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Feel free. :)
And yup - Miss Lou is literally the most genuine and compassionate person I've ever had the pleasure to know. <3

[Gonna ---> Gibz this exchange, just needed to catch you while you were online. :) ]
 
Sprout said:
Vital clarification: what exactly do you mean by "

DO NOT OVERHEAT IT. Seriously, not only are you destroying the drug before it even reaches your system, you are generating particularly toxic products: even Hydrofluoric Acid and gaseous Fluoride are possible if you go way beyond the boiling point, before that the morpholine ring is lysed to release assorted Nitrogenous vapours: NH3, NO radicals, NO2, NO3, HNO3 et cetera.

Sprout Sir

What would you estimate the vape temp of 3 FPM to be?

It strikes me that you could use a volcano and bag fill so you can avoid the loss and ensure correct temps? What's do you think?
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I hate how I love this stuff so much. Its taking all my willpower not to purchase a gram next week. I'd rather do this than any other stimulant.. I can't take this lifestyle anymore.
 
Had around 250mgs of 3-FPM yesterday (pretty much within the hour), and also took a 495mg (upon reading the the rest of the packet, something about the 495mg extract [of dry extract] equivalent to 1490-2550mg) capsule of St.Johns Wort at the same time. The depressive effects of 3-FPM were eradicated, and I had huge pupils for the entire day.

Am I being silly with combining an SNDRA (which 3-FPM most definitely is, plus isn't there a paper somewhere that shows 3-FPM, and it's metabolites show MOAI properties?), with an SSRI(of sorts)*? I understand the topics on St.Johns Wort, and recent research is mostly filled with contradicting* and inconclusive studies on the exact reason for it's release of serotonin?

I'm guessing on what I've read, that it's not going to be a problem, but was curious, and seeking an answer from the well researched folk.

Cheers.
 
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Itsgoneundertheboa said:
Sprout said:
Vital clarification: what exactly do you mean by "

DO NOT OVERHEAT IT. Seriously, not only are you destroying the drug before it even reaches your system, you are generating particularly toxic products: even Hydrofluoric Acid and gaseous Fluoride are possible if you go way beyond the boiling point, before that the morpholine ring is lysed to release assorted Nitrogenous vapours: NH3, NO radicals, NO2, NO3, HNO3 et cetera.

Sprout Sir

What would you estimate the vape temp of 3 FPM to be?

It strikes me that you could use a volcano and bag fill so you can avoid the loss and ensure correct temps? What's do you think?
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Yeah boa, and imagine how your brand new volcano would taste next time you stuck some weed in it.



From BHM's posts I'd say it's fairly obvious he meant turning 3-FPM hcl into freebase.
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Can people mix 3-F with standard PG vapouriser liquid and vape it in a standard cheap off the shelf ecig.....just wondering......it would give "smoke breaks" a bit more interesting.
 
I guess the issue would be getting it in high enough concentration - ie the dose is lots higher than nicotine - dunno, maybe it's feasible, but i doubt it without having to vape too much per effect.
 
How did I of all people miss a conversation regarding both 3-FPM and the intricacies of vapourisation?!

Self-contained ceramic heating elements with precise temperature control are the ultimate in junkie bumfuck technology. I have data on the MP but none on the B/VP and given such values are used for applications it would be unwise to guess at them.
That said it occurs to me that anyone with such technology could commit the ultimate in RC sins and... conduct research on the chemical!
Cayman are one of the premier companies in the chemical industry and even they don't have such data in their 3-FPM MSDS. That should speak volumes for the often overlooked true nature of the RC field.
My own (and therefore not to be relied upon or considered in any way authoritative) analysis using simplistic apparatus provided an MP of 232-240C, anyone with a desktop vape device could test whether that is close to correct.
 
In the interest of science I'll give it a go but I think top temp is 230 c.

It is possible to contain a sample on tin foil adhered to the outlet vent and not screw up the kit I have. Using capture in a balloon could taint the mouth piece so not going to go that far.

Alas it will be next week before I can do and post.

Interestingly it worked for a sample of Coke which indeed did change state (some of it) at 182 - 195 c. Some went before some went after but it was enough to give an idea on purity. Actually quite high est on visual % only but better than nothing.
 
Itsgoneundertheboa said:
In the interest of science I'll give it a go but I think top temp is 230 c.

It is possible to contain a sample on tin foil adhered to the outlet vent and not screw up the kit I have. Using capture in a balloon could taint the mouth piece so not going to go that far.

Alas it will be next week before I can do and post.

Interestingly it worked for a sample of Coke which indeed did change state (some of it) at 182 - 195 c. Some went before some went after but it was enough to give an idea on purity. Actually quite high est on visual % only but better than nothing.
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I really should have pointed out that I may not even have been using 3-FPM, for all I know it could have MPA, mannitol, lidocaine and the dried sperm of a baboon sold to me...
Use 5mg or so if you're worried about retention - as long as you can observe the exact point of the state change.
If you can attain data from the device then its job is done, from there it's just a matter of ghettofying a jury-rigged setup. ;)
 
Sprout said:
I really should have pointed out that I may not even have been using 3-FPM, for all I know it could have MPA, mannitol, lidocaine and the dried sperm of a baboon sold to me...
Use 5mg or so if you're worried about retention - as long as you can observe the exact point of the state change.
If you can attain data from the device then its job is done, from there it's just a matter of ghettofying a jury-rigged setup. ;)
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All rephrase my study - testing of vape points of an unknown substance, sold as 3fpm. Will be interesting however if there is a big variance of temps. I presume if it's pure "something" then it should all go at the same time.
 
Yup, that's why I was hesitant to even begin guesstimating.
Both values are brilliant for crude purity analysis when done correctly.
For the most accurate results ensure it's crushed to dust and spread evenly, then flatten it. :)
 
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