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Thank god they finally buried David Hookes

How is this thread pointless? If anything it's one of the better threads because people are actually discussing something. I don't care what the topic is - any thread which promotes a serious intelectual discussion is better than 95% of the other threads that get started (not to say those are bad threads, just IMO these have more of a point to them). Even if this one starts going round and round in circles - if you have nothing more to add to it then stop checking the replies to it and focus on a different thread.
 
beech said:
Whats great to see in this thread is people who clearly know sweet fuck all about cricket labelling David Hookes a 2nd rate cricketer. He played for Australia and for SA.
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didnt he also coach a Vic Cricket team to? i was wondering why he was buried/ his funreal was in South Aus/Adelaide...

i dont really follow cricket to much...but i do know that he was a magor input in the young cricket teams that are around now...be it SA or Vic or Aus...

sure he didnt deserve to die...but being so cold like that about his funeral i personally find disgusting.

sure the media did hype him up and over did it on his death etc...but he was a great legend in aussie cricket.

...hopefully now his funerals passed he may fucking lay to rest in peace...
 
Steve Waugh in fact donated a lot of time and money to help disadvantged people and what-not. If you search the net I'm sure you'll find a list of his greater deeds. He wasn't just named ozi of the year because he's a great cricketer.
 
hmm...perhaps Latham's idea of injecting money to combat illiteracy wasn't such a bad idea after all - I wouldn't have to ask beech to read my original post before making a twat of himself.

I never said he was a 2nd rate cricketer. Just a second rate sporting personality. There is a difference. I hope I don't have to explain it otherwise that 10mill per annum just may not be enough.

You people are losing sight of the original point of this thread - the media coverage of the David Hookes death was overblown. There is no disputing his sporting prowess nor his charitable heart. But does his death warrant the media attention that it's getting. No. That's the point of this thread.

ps - steve waugh rox..but Australian of the Year?
 
new_piller said:


Jimity:
if u still have no real idea on who he is, your not a very smart person, it would take 2 minutes out of ur day, to read one of the many articles about him, and u'll find out who he is!!!
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Why would he bother?

Did this Hookes guy cure cancer? Did he come up with the solution to world hunger?

No! He hit a little red ball around a big green field and ran up and down a concrete strip. What a fucking loss...

I bet you he got paid really well for his worthless contribution to society too..

People die in brawls every day... While I don't condone bouncers beating people to death, I'm sure it was not entirely unprovoked...
 
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Care to elaborate on how you're "sure it was not entirely unprovoked"? Remember though, you can't be "sure" of an assumption. As it stands, your comments scream of such an ignorant bias that it's hard to take your points seriously.
 
thank you for saying what i was about to, pleo. lostpunk, normally i agree with you (and for sure, i realise that the guy wasn't a fucking scientist or anything, but this doesn't deem his life worthless - tell me what you've done that makes your life any more *worthwhile* than his?). you're way out of line on this one.
 
meh to cricket, and pardon my ignorance, but i had no idea who this guy was till he carked it.

tho i do think an awfully huge scene is being made. and i dont even watch the news. personally i think the southbank murders were a lot more tragic, but just cos this guy was a bit famous, they make a big ass deal about it.
 
yeah, but why do we need to point this out? surely anyone with an ounce of intelligence already knows that the mainstream media prints total bullshit most of the time.

most times, death in itself is tragic - just because hookes didn't have some immediate impact on us personally doesn't make his death any less important than anyone else's. i dunno, this is difficult to argue because it's clear that some people really are more important to the human species as a whole. but in saying that, it's also important to be aware that this doesn't somehow invalidate everyone else's importance just because all they did was make a few friends and hit a little red ball around.

yeah, it sucks that an incident like this gets so much coverage, but make sure you're attacking the right people - it's the media at fault here, not hookes, and most certainly not the people grieving for hookes.

though he was occasionally arguing points that i pretty much disagreed with, nezo actually summed it up best when he said "rest in peace david hookes / eat my dick media hype".
 
onetwothreefour said:
most times, death in itself is tragic - just because hookes didn't have some immediate impact on us personally doesn't make his death any less important than anyone else's.
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but it doesn't make his death any MORE important than anyone elses either. that's why i was trying to get at. people die in pub brawls all the time, but the media barely give it the light of day.
then this happens, and it's a national tragedy, and the whole nations is supposedly mourning his death.

i know it's not his fault that the media is doing this, it's just the media grabbing onto a story and milking it for everything it is worth.

don't get me wrong, i feel very bad for his family, and wouldn't wish it on anyone. he didn't deserve to die.
but he didn't deserve the big media hype either.

as nezo said, RIP david hookes.... and also everyone else that dies needlessly everyday of the week :\
 
lostpunk5545 - he has contributed more to society than you could ever hope to, saying negative things like that is totally pointless and makes you look worse than the bouncer who allegedly killed him.
 
sonic_reality: that's what i said dude :)

i'm just getting pissed with the people disrespecting hookes. i know he didn't deserve all this coverage; we all do. doesn't mean his death isn't important though :)
 
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It's kind of ironic that a thread critcising the perpetuation of the story of the death of David Hookes is having the sole effect of perpetuating the story of the death of David Hookes.

For gods sake get over it [the media has] and show some respect to an extraordinary Australian who died in an extraordinary manner.
 
Nezo - Was I neccessarily refering to your comments??? hmmm think about it? Flick back through and have a look, some other tool makes a comment to the gist of Hookes being a "2nd grade player". Also in the future please dont question my literacy skills, you have no idea what my background in relation to literacy is, if you did there would be no questioning of such skills. Just because I may not take the time to check spelling or sentence structure when posting on here does not mean I have low level literacy.

Lostpunk - A few things chief:
1. Hookesy didn't run up and down a concrete strip. Cricket pitches that any decent level of cricket is played on are made of grass.
2. He wouldn't have been paid overly well for his "worthless contribution to society". He played cricket in era before there was any real money in the game. He played a bit of World Series Cricket but even the money he would have made from that is shit all compared to sportsmen today.
3. How is being a role model, hero/inspiration to many and representing Australia a worthless contribution to society?
I'm not saying David Hookes is a hero or inspirational to me but was to many. In my opinion that makes what he did useful to some people and therefore his contribution to society was somewhat valuable.




Beech out
 
onetwothreefour said:
i'm just getting pissed with the people disrespecting hookes. i know he didn't deserve all this coverage; we all do. doesn't mean his death isn't important though :)
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Yeah that's my position as well. While I can see what Nezo is saying [and I think it's a good point], this thread has turned into a bit of a Hookes bashing [excuse the pun].

No one can deny that he was an invaluable part of the cricketing world. And as much as some of you may hate it, the Australian population are generally interested in cricket. For whatever reason, his death has sparked the interest of many and for as long as people want to listen... the media will be willing to talk about him.

Just get over it. I don't know why the amount of media coverage this man is getting is worth whinging about.

oh and lostpunk: I don't think you [or any of us] are in any position to judge how 'worthless' a member of our society is. :)
 
beech said:
Flick back through and have a look, some other tool makes a comment to the gist of Hookes being a "2nd grade player".
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that tool would be me! unless someone else said it too. because to me, every player is a second grade criket player.
basically caus i don't give a flying fuck about cricket, as i think it is the most boring game i have ever had the displeasure of witnessing.

but this thread is not about cricket, so i will leave it at that.

i have my opinion, you have yours. obviously by the tone of your posts, you are hardcore cricket fan(or at least know alot about it), and i respect your views.
please respect mine.

Originally posted by onetwothreefour
doesn't mean his death isn't important though
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of course his death is important. everyones death is important, and if i somehow came across as disrespecting hookes, then i am sorry. cept for the second rate player comment, i stand by that. in my view, cricket is a second rate sport, so all the players are second rate too.
once again, this is my view and i understand, and respect if others feel differently. sport(any sport) has never really done anything for me :\

once again i will say, RIP david hookes.
 
but it doesn't make his death any MORE important than anyone elses either
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I don't think the word that explains this is "important", I think it's probably "prominant". The word celebrity means loosely "someone who is celebrated" - in life and in death. I've never met the man, but I know who he is because it was a public figure. He received attention for what he did when he was alive, so it stands to reason that when he died there was attention also. People right across the country knew who he was, so his death was covered by a medium which reaches right across the country.

On the flip side, I'm not a public figure, and thus would not expect a front page story in the herald sun after my death. However I'm somewhat well known on bluelight, and if I were to die tomorrow there could well be a thread about it. They've happened in the past when bluelighters have died tragically, and usually they get a lot of attention stay at the top of the forum for a lengthy period of time. So the extent of someone's fame plays a large part in dictating the proportion of coverage their death may get. If a hollywood star were to be killed in similar circumstances the coverage would probably be similar, so it's not simply an issue about Australia's sporting culture either.

How much coverage is justified is the contention point of this thread, and to tell the truth I don't really have a difinitive answer. But it's obvious that some coverage was to be expected. Whether it was over the top or not is a matter of personal opinion, but I've heard that the ratings for the televised funural was well into the millions of people (I've been looking for the stats to back that up, but can't find them - my source for this is my Dad hearing them say so on the radio today). So clearly a large percentage of the population didn't think the way this was handled was overkill.

Hopefully people think about these sorts of things before dismissing it as simply media hype.
 
Crickey, you guys want to talk about media hype. Nezo if u are so glad the media has stopped their reporting about Hooksey then why start a whole new disscussion about the bloke, I say let the poor barstard r.i.p
 
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