Texas Uses Single-Drug Lethal Injection in Execution

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Since 1982, Texas had used a three-drug cocktail in lethal injections for death row executions. But now the state has switched to a single-drug injection due to production shortages of other lethal drugs. Jeffrey Brown talks to The Associated Press' Michael Graczyk about the change.

watch the video at
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/july-dec12/death_07-19.html
 
Pentobarbital by itself.

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Why not just re-instate the firing squad as a primary method? Considering the amount of death-row inmates in the Texas prison system, I'm sure that a 5.56 bullet would be cheaper and a better use of resources than a multi-drug cocktail.
 
I believe Texas uses hydromorphone as well if a suitable vein(s) cannot be found. (IM hydromorphone "overdose")
 
Why not just re-instate the firing squad as a primary method? Considering the amount of death-row inmates in the Texas prison system, I'm sure that a 5.56 bullet would be cheaper and a better use of resources than a multi-drug cocktail.
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They should feed death row inmates to zoo animals: even cheaper than bullets; entertaining for the animals; and, nobody has to pull the trigger or flick the switch. Where's the downside?
 
ForEverAfter said:
They should feed death row inmates to zoo animals: even cheaper than bullets; entertaining for the animals; and, nobody has to pull the trigger or flick the switch. Where's the downside?
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The downside is risking those poor animals health feeding them criminals...
 
ForEverAfter said:
They should feed death row inmates to zoo animals: even cheaper than bullets; entertaining for the animals; and, nobody has to pull the trigger or flick the switch. Where's the downside?
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This a joke or a pitiful attempt at implying what happens to death row inmates should matter?
 
I wrote it in a joking manner, obviously, but there is a point. The reason they abolished the guillotine and firing squads is because of the guilt of the executioner. There should, ideally, be a way to execute people without anyone having to flick the switch or pull the trigger. I'm more concerned with the impact executions have on death row staff rather than death row inmates. Though, I'm not sure why it is pitiful to take both into consideration... ?

Strapping someone down to a chair in front of a an audience and slowly injecting death into them is a little sick, IMO. I also don't like the idea of keeping death row inmates alive for months (or even years) when there is no chance for the decision to be reversed. It's cruel; and cruelty is not justified, as a solution for cruelty.
 
ForEverAfter said:
I wrote it in a joking manner, obviously, but there is a point. The reason they abolished the guillotine and firing squads is because of the guilt of the executioner. There should, ideally, be a way to execute people without anyone having to flick the switch or pull the trigger. I'm more concerned with the impact executions have on death row staff rather than death row inmates. Though, I'm not sure why it is pitiful to take both into consideration... ?

Strapping someone down to a chair in front of a an audience and slowly injecting death into them is a little sick, IMO. I also don't like the idea of keeping death row inmates alive for months (or even years) when there is no chance for the decision to be reversed. It's cruel; and cruelty is not justified, as a solution for cruelty.
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I think that part is just something that has to be dealt with. Personally I couldn't give a fuck less if they stuck a 1000 volt dildo into their ass and electrocuted them. These are murders and rapists who really don't care about anyone elses life.
 
It's not as simple as that. There have been many innocent people put to death. The justice system isn't perfect. If you want the death penalty to exist, there will always be the occasional mistake. As for people who are guilty, a lot of people on death row do care about what they've done. They are still people. And people are often, if not always, products of circumstance. You are lucky enough to have been brought up surrounded by relatively positive influences. If you had been brought up without being taught high moral values, and been molested by your parents and beaten... If your childhood had been an absolute nightmare, then maybe you would have killed someone too. A lot of the time, it's not our fault who we end up being. It's kind of the luck of the draw. There is strong statistical proof that the vast majority of sex offenders were raped/molested as children, which implies that there is a high chance that the people who did it to them were raped/molested also - and so on and so forth. Sometimes, it's just a nasty chain of events that leads to people committing horrible crimes. I think free will is greatly exaggerated. We pat ourselves on the back for being good people, but - most of the time - we aren't good because we decide to be good. It is decided for us. We're lucky. We have good parents and a good education and lots of opportunities. We are taught the difference between right and wrong. We are led in the right direction. Most of the people who end up on death row have had pretty fucked up lives. They have psychological disorders. Spiritual disorders. They are sick people. Not "evil". There's no such thing as "evil". People do bad things because fate is unkind to them. An enormous amount of factors have built up throughout their lives to lead them to making the wrong decisions. To kill or to rape. And a lot of the time, they feel really conflicted about it. They are sick. People who are put to death are deemed too sick to be cured. That doesn't mean they should suffer. Nor does it mean that executioners should have to inflict suffering on them.

Personally I couldn't give a fuck less if they stuck a 1000 volt dildo into their ass and electrocuted them.
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Do you want to be the guy who shoves the dildo up condemned men's asses for a living, and watch them scream and cry and beg for forgiveness as you brutally kill them? After ten years of doing that, wouldn't it get to you? If the answer is no, then you are sick also. Perhaps not incurably. But sick nonetheless. The only way to separate ourselves from the murderers is to not commit murder. We have to be able to resist the series of events that lead us to that moment when we pull the trigger or flick the switch. If we cannot resist, we are no better than they are. The conclusion is the same; the circumstances are just different.

It makes people feel better to demonize murderers and rapists. It's easier to do that, then it is to sympathize. Really, they deserve pity. Hitler deserves to be pitied; he is so lost, so confused, so sick. The Israeli's post-WW2 vengeance missions in which they track down all the old Nazi war criminals and torture and kill them is a great example of how this sickness can be contagious. Brutally murdering and torturing old sick men is sick. Just like rape victims, following the sexual abuse chain.
 
ForEverAfter said:
It's not as simple as that. There have been many innocent people put to death. The justice system isn't perfect. If you want the death penalty to exist, there will always be the occasional mistake. As for people who are guilty, a lot of people on death row do care about what they've done. They are still people. And people are often, if not always, products of circumstance. You are lucky enough to have been brought up surrounded by relatively positive influences. If you had been brought up without being taught high moral values, and been molested by your parents and beaten... If your childhood had been an absolute nightmare, then maybe you would have killed someone too. A lot of the time, it's not our fault who we end up being. It's kind of the luck of the draw. There is strong statistical proof that the vast majority of sex offenders were raped/molested as children, which implies that there is a high chance that the people who did it to them were raped/molested also - and so on and so forth. Sometimes, it's just a nasty chain of events that leads to people committing horrible crimes. I think free will is greatly exaggerated. We pat ourselves on the back for being good people, but - most of the time - we aren't good because we decide to be good. It is decided for us. We're lucky. We have good parents and a good education and lots of opportunities. We are taught the difference between right and wrong. We are led in the right direction. Most of the people who end up on death row have had pretty fucked up lives. They have psychological disorders. Spiritual disorders. They are sick people. Not "evil". There's no such thing as "evil". People do bad things because fate is unkind to them. An enormous amount of factors have built up throughout their lives to lead them to making the wrong decisions. To kill or to rape. And a lot of the time, they feel really conflicted about it. They are sick. People who are put to death are deemed too sick to be cured. That doesn't mean they should suffer. Nor does it mean that executioners should have to inflict suffering on them.



Do you want to be the guy who shoves the dildo up condemned men's asses for a living, and watch them scream and cry and beg for forgiveness as you brutally kill them? After ten years of doing that, wouldn't it get to you? If the answer is no, then you are sick also. Perhaps not incurably. But sick nonetheless. The only way to separate ourselves from the murderers is to not commit murder. We have to be able to resist the series of events that lead us to that moment when we pull the trigger or flick the switch. If we cannot resist, we are no better than they are. The conclusion is the same; the circumstances are just different.

It makes people feel better to demonize murderers and rapists. It's easier to do that, then it is to sympathize. Really, they deserve pity. Hitler deserves to be pitied; he is so lost, so confused, so sick. The Israeli's post-WW2 vengeance missions in which they track down all the old Nazi war criminals and torture and kill them is a great example of how this sickness can be contagious. Brutally murdering and torturing old sick men is sick. Just like rape victims, following the sexual abuse chain.
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You're right. The child molester is just a victim of his own mind and sexual urges. 8)
We should reform these people and treat them with respect.


Spare me.
 
I don't know why people insist on quoting massive chunks of text like that. It's really annoying.

You didn't answer the question as to whether or not you would like to be the executioner. Nor did you address the issue of innocent people who are put to death due to the imperfect nature of the justice system. I didn't even mention child molesters. People who share your viewpoint rely on "child molesters" as some sort of trump card when it comes to this moral debate.

You either didn't bother to read my post, or you saw what you wanted to see. I brought up a number of valid points. Frankly, I don't see the point in engaging in a discussion on the internet about the death penalty if you're just going to roll your eyes and be sarcastic. You might as well not contribute to the discussion in the first place.

As I said, a lot of people chose to simplify what is really an extremely complex issue and demonize offenders of violent crimes - so that they don't have to really think about what is at stake. You simplified it down to child molesters, purposely skipping over questions that you are incapable of answering. You put words in my mouth, also. I didn't say we should treat sex offenders with respect. There is a difference between treating someone with respect and choosing not to stoop to their level.

For your information, child molestation is not a capital crime in the United States; and child rape is only punishable by death in Louisiana. Crimes punishable by death. So, your child molester argument has no place in the context of this discussion.

The death penalty applies almost entirely to murderers; and, murder is often a crime of passion committed by sick and confused individuals. Murder is a sick act. So, therefore, is murdering murderers. Especially if you do it brutally, as you've suggested. The only way for the death penalty to be justified is if it's done in the most human way possible. Personally, I don't believe in the death penalty. I think people should get life with no chance of parole.

As society develops, we are moving away from capital punishment. Largely due to the issues that I have raised, which you chose to ignore. It is not a co-incidence that we don't publicly execute people any more. One day, when we are more enlightened than we are now, we will stop executing people altogether.

Capital punishment for murder is barbaric, and it is a hypocrisy.

If you'd like to continue discussing this with me, please resist the temptation to make sarcastic comments and selectively ignore aspects of the debate as you please. I'm sure you're capable of debating the issue in a civilized and mature manner.
 
ForEverAfter said:
They should feed death row inmates to zoo animals: even cheaper than bullets; entertaining for the animals; and, nobody has to pull the trigger or flick the switch. Where's the downside?
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ForEverAfter said:
Murder is a sick act. So, therefore, is murdering murderers.

As society develops, we are moving away from capital punishment.

One day, when we are more enlightened than we are now, we will stop executing people altogether.
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I agree with the lines in the second quote above. I believe in aiming for rehabilitation, even for the sick fucks.
If I had enormous power, I would re-create the prison systems in the countries that I have lived in, which are all focused on punishment, to focus on rehabilitation.

You first quote was a joke, as you stated afterward, but it sure was difficult to tell without more information (gesture, intonation, appropriate icon, etc.).
 
Yeah... I was going to include an illustration of an inmate being eaten by a crocodile, but I ran out of green crayons.
 
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