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US occupation blamed for new Iraq terror front
By Brian Bender
Washington
July 18, 2005


Studies of the backgrounds and motivations of hundreds of foreigners entering Iraq to fight the US have found that most foreign fighters are not former terrorists and became radicalised by the occupation itself.

The Saudi Arabian and Israeli studies, which together comprise the most detailed picture available of foreign fighters, cast serious doubt on President George Bush's claim that those responsible for some of the worst violence are terrorists who seized on the opportunity to make Iraq the "central front" in a battle against the US.

"The terrorists know that the outcome (in Iraq) will leave them emboldened or defeated," Mr Bush said in his nationally televised address on the war at Fort Bragg in North Carolina last month. "So they are waging a campaign of murder and destruction." The US military is fighting the terrorists in Iraq, he repeated this month, "so we do not have to face them here at home".

However, interrogations of nearly 300 Saudis captured while trying to sneak into Iraq and case studies of more than three dozen others who blew themselves up in suicide attacks show that most were heeding the calls from clerics and activists to drive infidels out of Arab land, according to a study by Saudi investigator Nawaf Obaid, a US-trained analyst who was commissioned by the Saudi Government and given access to Saudi officials and intelligence.

A separate Israeli analysis of 154 foreign fighters compiled by a leading terrorism researcher found that despite the presence of some senior al-Qaeda operatives who are organising the volunteers, "the vast majority of (non-Iraqi) Arabs killed in Iraq have never taken part in any terrorist activity prior to their arrival in Iraq".

"Only a few were involved in past Islamic insurgencies in Afghanistan, Bosnia, or Chechnya," the Israeli study says. Out of the 154 fighters analysed, only a handful had past associations with terrorism, including six who had fathers who fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, said the report, compiled by the Global Research in International Affairs Centre in Israel.

American intelligence officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, and some terrorism specialists paint a similar portrait of the suicide bombers wreaking havoc in Iraq: before the Iraq war, they were not Islamic extremists seeking to attack the US, as al-Qaeda did four years ago, but are part of a new generation of terrorists responding to calls to defend their fellow Muslims from "crusaders" and "infidels".

"The President is right that Iraq is a main front in the war on terrorism, but this is a front we created," said Peter Bergen, a terrorism specialist at the nonpartisan New America Foundation, a Washington think tank.

Foreign militants make up only a small percentage of the insurgents fighting in Iraq, as little as 10 per cent, according to US military and intelligence officials.

But the impact of the foreign fighters has been enormous. They are blamed for the almost daily suicide attacks against American and Iraqi forces and have killed thousands of Iraqi civilians, mostly members of Iraq's Shiite Muslim majority. Their deadly exploits have been responsible for much of the headline-grabbing carnage in recent months, contributing to the slide in American public support for the war.

There have been nearly 500 car bombings since the US-led coalition handed over sovereignty to an interim Iraqi government one year ago, US military statistics indicate. In the last two months, car bombs and suicide attacks have killed nearly 1400 people.

Mr Bush has cited foreign fighters as a reason for continued US military operations in Iraq. His argument, repeated often, is that "the world's terrorists" have chosen to make their stand in Iraq.

Saudi investigator Nawaf Obaid said his Saudi study found that "the largest group is young kids who saw the images of the war on TV and are reading the stuff on the internet".

Other fighters, who are coming to Iraq from across the Middle East and North Africa, are older, in their late 20s or 30s, and have families, according to the two investigations. Case studies of foreign fighters indicated they considered the Iraq war an attack on the Muslim religion and Arab culture, Reuven Paz, author of the Israeli study, said.

The CIA concluded earlier this year that "Iraq and other possible conflicts in the future could provide recruitment, training grounds, technical skills, and language proficiency for a new class of terrorists".

- Boston Globe


from: http://theage.com.au/articles/2005/07/17/1121538864304.html


Iraq role driving terror, UK warned
By James Button
Europe Correspondent
London
July 19, 2005


Britain's involvement in Iraq has exacerbated the terrorist threat to the nation, a think tank on international affairs, Chatham House, said yesterday.

It said in a report that there was "no doubt" the Iraq war had "imposed particular difficulties for the UK and for the wider coalition against terrorism" by boosting al-Qaeda's propaganda, recruitment and fund-raising.

The think tank's finding will prove embarrassing for British Prime Minister Tony Blair and perhaps Australian Prime Minister John Howard,

The report does not directly link last week's London bombings and the war, but it finds that Britain's position as a "pillion passenger" with the US - "compelled to leave the steering to the ally in the driving seat" - has damaged its counterterrorism campaign.

As America's closest ally and for its role in Afghanistan and Iraq, Britain was "at particular risk" from terrorism, according to the report written by terrorism specialists Paul Wilkinson and Frank Gregory.

Mr Blair has rejected any link between Iraq and the London bombings, saying on Saturday that the terrorists were driven not by opposition to particular policies but by "an evil ideology" that could not be moderated, only opposed. It would be a "misunderstanding of a catastrophic order" to believe they would change their behaviour if Western countries changed theirs.
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Downing Street has also issued a list of al-Qaeda-related attacks going back more than a decade to show that al-Qaeda terrorism did not begin with Iraq.

The report emerges as the death toll in Iraq rises, with 238 Iraqis killed in 31 suicide bombings since the London attacks.

Defence Secretary John Reid confirmed at the weekend that Britain would start to withdraw its 8500 troops from Iraq over the next year.

In further criticism of Britain's anti-terrorism strategy, Pakistan's ambassador to the United Nations, Munir Akram, said Britain had become a breeding ground for terrorists.

The Chatham House report criticised previous British governments for giving a low priority to al-Qaeda and for allowing Britain to become a haven for extremist Muslims.

"By the mid-1990s the UK's intelligence agencies and police were well aware that London was increasingly being used as a base by individuals involved in promoting, funding and planning terrorism in the Middle East and elsewhere," the report said.

"However, these individuals were not viewed as a threat to national security and so they were left to continue their activities with relative impunity, a policy which caused much anger among the foreign governments concerned."

The Chatham House report also said the Iraq war "provided an ideal targeting and training area for al-Qaeda-linked terrorists and deflected resources and assistance that could have been deployed to assist the Karzai Government (in Afghanistan) and to bring Osama bin Laden to justice".

It also emerged that the British Government is seeking to block publication of a book by Britain's ambassador to the UN at the time of the Iraq war, Sir Jeremy Greenstock.

The book, in which Sir Jeremy describes the decision to go to war as "politically illegitimate", discloses private conversations he had with Mr Blair and Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.


from: http://www.theage.com.au/news/war-o...error-uk-warned/2005/07/18/1121538915891.html
 
Seems someone is at it again.

London Tube stations evacuated

Thursday, July 21, 2005 Posted: 1232 GMT (2032 HKT)

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Emergency services personnel are attending three different Tube stations in central London following reports of "incidents," police said on Thursday.

A Scotland Yard spokesperson told CNN that Warren Street, Shepherds Bush and Oval stations had all been evacuated.

There are no reports of any casualties at this stage, sources told the UK Press Association.

London Underground confirmed that services on three lines -- Victoria, Northern and Hammermith and City -- were suspended following the incidents, according to PA.

No further information is yet available. Passengers at Warren Street reported seeing smoke but police could not confirm this.

The reports came two weeks to the day since bombs on three Underground trains in London and a double-decker bus killed 56 people including four bombers.
 
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I don't know about this, but until I see something here it looks like a twitchy response over not a whole lot.

This could easily come back and bite me...

But jeez, watching Lost and having it cut out for a Breaking News Report where reporters are trying as hard as they can to make a story out of an evacuated carriage because someone saw smoke and heard a sound "like champagne corks popping" just doesn't get me riled up.

Not yet anyway.
 
looks like pakistan and it's terrorist and taliban connections can no longer offer the usa anything other than cheap land and resources ;)

take note of this excerpt from the following article... "The US decision was seen as both a counterweight to growing Chinese influence in Asia and a reflection of Washington's concerns about Indian demand for oil."

Downer backs US N-trade
By David Nason
July 22, 2005
From: The Australian

AUSTRALIA has backed a controversial US decision to open nuclear trade with India, but will continue to maintain its ban on selling uranium to the emerging South Asian superpower.
Foreign Minister Alexander Downer outlined Australia's two-edged position yesterday as Pakistan responded to the US-India pact by demanding that it too be given access to nuclear fuels and the latest in peaceful nuclear technologies.

Speaking in New York, a spokesman for Pakistan's UN ambassador Munir Akram said Pakistan was committed to nuclear non-proliferation and was playing a "far more prominent" role than India in the war on terror.

"We believe we deserve greater respect to our nuclear program," the spokesman said. "Pakistan expects to have at least the equal treatment to India."

India and Pakistan have long been denied legal access to nuclear fuels and hardwares because of their refusal to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (NPT) and have their nuclear programs - civil and military - monitored by the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency.

But in a major policy reversal this week, US President George W. Bush said India was a responsible nuclear state that deserved access to the latest technologies.

He said the US would work with its allies to "adjust international rules" in order for the nuclear trade with India to go ahead.

The US decision was seen as both a counterweight to growing Chinese influence in Asia and a reflection of Washington's concerns about Indian demand for oil.

But it has drawn criticism because the US did not demand that India sign the NPT as part of the deal, an omission that could weaken the treaty by encouraging states such as Brazil and Egypt to go ahead and develop a nuclear weapons capacity.

India agreed only to allow IAEA inspection of its non-military nuclear programs.

But in another surprise, IAEA director-general Mohamed ElBaradei described the US-India pact as "out of the box thinking" that would enhance world security.

Dr ElBaradei said India's intention to identify and place all its civilian nuclear facilities under IAEA monitoring, and sign the Additional Protocol allowing for more detailed inspections, amounted to "concrete and practical steps" towards the universal application of IAEA safeguards.

Dr ElBaradei was supported by Mr Downer, who said Australia welcomed India's increased commitment to stopping the spread of weapons of mass destruction and its moratorium on nuclear testing.

"The US-India agreement ... offers the prospect of substantial expansion of India's commitment to nuclear non-proliferation, including expanded application of IAEA safeguards," he said.

But Mr Downer's support of the US initiative is at odds with Australia's membership of the Nuclear Supply Group, an organisation of 44 nations that regulates international trade in nuclear materials.

The member nations, of which the US is one, are forbidden to engage in nuclear trade with nations that reject the full-scope safeguard provisions of the IAEA.

But on the issue of selling Australian uranium to India, Mr Downer said there would be no change to the existing policy.

"Australia's longstanding nuclear supply policy precludes the supply of Australian uranium to India, which is not a signatory to the NPT."
 
I saw a guy on the ABC the other night (7.30 report or lateline - can't remember) who had been involved in a study of the motivations of suicide bombers. He was saying that from what they could discern, the vast majority were acting purely against the presence of Western forces in the Arabian peninsula. One of the main points he made was that there is little to suggest that the bomber's actions had been motivated by a hatred of western values and a desire to disrupt the western way of life (a factor which has been used in the rhetoric of Bush & co quite often). I think the fact that the London bombers came from an apparently normal London lifestyle would support that theory.

Thoughts?
 
^^^
spot on. however i believe the latest attacks in london (both of them) were nothing more than false flag attacks orchestrated by the coalition in order to justify the war; drum up support for continuing the war; and to strip us of more of our freedoms, the very thing the terrorists "apparently" want to achieve and we claim to be rejecting.

the id card just happens to be on the cards prior and after the first attack in both england and here at home, it now after the second attack seems guaranteed to be brought in without either major party objecting. at the same time the patriot act is trying to be upgraded in the us, an act that has seen many more innocent people harassed than terrorists arrested and goes as far as to give the various government agencies the power to even check what you've taken out at the library. this is 1984. i wish the fuck people would wake up. some government fuck is on the tv right now (i can only hear it) and he's implying drug dealers are suicide bombers and all drug cartels funnel money to terrorists?!?!

do some research on the recent attacks in the next few days. when it first went to air last night, an eyewitness said the "guy" looked surprised when the pack went off without detonating before he freaked out and ran away, the kind of thing one would do if they didn't know the bomb was there in the first place. the 2 other bombs failed to go off in the same manner. now, even for amateur bomb makers, as they will most likely label them, you'd think at least one of the bombs would detonate properly and cause some real damage.

they didn't because there was no real need to kill more innocent people to achieve the orchestrators objective, except perhaps the alleged terrorist shot dead today.

the objective was to capture images of the "terrorists" like at the station in the first attack. this was done to reinforce the fact that the attacks were being carried out by muslim extremists and could happen at anytime. expect more photos to be released of the latest attackers over the next few days. this is the catalyst that will see police state laws to be passed.

humanise the terrorists, instill more fear, allow draconian laws to be passed. next war
 
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More shit going down.

Police kill suspect bomber in London
July 22, 2005 - 9:27PM

Police shot and killed a man at a London Underground station today, a day after the city was hit by its second wave of terror attacks in two weeks.

The details of the shooting at Stockwell station in south London were not immediately clear, but media reports said he was a suspected bomber.

Passengers said a man, described as South Asian, ran onto a train. Witnesses said police chased him, he tripped, and police then shot him.

``They pushed him onto the floor and unloaded five shots into him. He's dead,'' witness Mark Whitby told the British Broadcasting Corp. ``He looked like a cornered fox. He looked petrified.''

Whitby said the man didn't appear to have been carrying anything but said he was wearing a thick coat that looked padded.

"We were on the Tube and then we suddenly heard someone say 'get out, get out' and then we heard gunshots,'' said passenger Briony Coetsee.

Chris Wells, who was a passenger evacuated from an Underground train at Stockwell, said he saw about 20 police officers, some armed, rushing into the station before a man jumped over the barriers with police giving chase.

``There were at least 20 of them (officers) and they were carrying big black guns,'' he said.

``The next thing I saw was this guy jump over the barriers and the police officers were chasing after him and everyone was just shouting, 'Get out, get out'.''

Christopher Scaglione said: ``I was just on my way out when I heard at first a little bang - not like a bomb, more like a gun - and then people were shouting.''

``People then started to run and I heard two or three more bangs like people shooting.''

Alistair Drummond, of the London Ambulance Service, said paramedics had been called to the station at 10.10am (1910 AEST).

British Transport Police said the Northern and Victoria Tube lines, which pass through Stockwell, were suspended because of the shooting.

Elsewhere, police evacuated one of London's largest mosques after a bomb threat.

``Someone phoned our director and said there was a bomb inside,'' said Mohammed Abdul Bari, chairman of the East London Mosque.

The Metropolitan Police lifted the cordon about an hour later.

The force said no armed officers were involved, and the incident appeared unrelated to Underground shooting.

More than 6000 people were expected for Friday afternoon prayers but there were only about a dozen people inside at the time the threat was telephoned in.

Investigators, meanwhile, searched for fingerprints, DNA and other forensic evidence collected from yesterday's attacks on three Underground trains and a double-decker bus, which were hauntingly reminiscent of suicide bombings only two weeks before.

The devices in yesterday's attacks were either small or faulty, and authorities said the only reported casualty was due to an asthma attack. The bombings on July 7 on three underground trains and a bus killed 52 people and the four suspected suicide bombers.

A statement posted today on an Islamic website in the name of an al-Qaeda-linked group claimed responsibility for yesterday's attacks. The group, Abu Hafs al Masri Brigade, also claimed responsibility for the July 7 bombings.

The statement's authenticity could not be immediately verified.

AP


Whether he was a suicide bomber or not, this shit is pretty intense. This isnt Iraq or some imaginary land: Three coppers dragged a bloke to the ground in a tube station and popped 5 shots point blank into his head. I hope to fuck he was a suicide bomber, cause if not; there might be some red faces. However, from what I can gather; they followed the rules of engagement when it comes to suicide bombers. Which are pretty much, shoot the suspect in the head.

Intense.
 
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^^^^I think the lack or presence of explosives in his backpack will clarify it pretty well. ;)
 
can't be fucked with a long response right now but...

read my previous posts on this page, you see where i'm coming from. the fact is false flag attacks have been carried out throughout history (google the term). america was going to carry out attacks on it's own citizens and blame it on cuba to justify an invasion in the 60's. (look up the declassfied Operation Northwood documents too.)

the fact is, it would be incredibly easy to frame somebody, such as the dead man, or assist the terrorists and take advantage.


edit: added link - false flag
 
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Seems like a good time to weigh into this debate. What if there were forces controlling our whole way of life? What if these forces wanted to openly be in control of everything we do? What if Goerge Orwell's 1984 was happening before our very eyes? What if 1984 wasn't a book of fiction, but was an essay based on information the author had accessed and decided to disseminate. What if conspiracy theories aren't as far out as they seem?

With the events unfolding on the world stage(a term I use very literally), it seems a very pertinent time to start to look for answers to these questions. You won't find the answers on TV or in newspapers or touted by experts or those who have white coats on. The element creating all the fear, of which I shall refer to as the 'shadow government', or the 'New World Order' control all mainstream media outlets, so it is imposssible to gain truthful insights from these sources. In fact, all you will gain are the attitudes that you are groomed to have, conditioned responses. All this is known as 'the manufacturing of public consent' and it works wonderfully well on an unsuspecting public. Create a situation where people get hurt physically, emotionally, financially or any other way, then bandy around the keyword 'reform' which is double speak for implementing 'New World Order' controls, and then create solutions which implement those controls. It is as old as the hills. We are all pawns in a game of kings, and we remain so while ever we simply accept whatever we are told instead of questioning everything. Some examples, why do we allow authorities to limit our use and our access to vitamins and other health substances re the health codex they are trying to push through right now, while we allow things like Thalidomide and other drugs that have never been fit for human consumption? And what about cancer cures? Do a google search on Royal Raymond Rife, and find out that he invented a machine and method to cure 95% of all known diseases in the 1930's, but because he wouldn't let the AMA buy into his cure, and charge exhorbitant prices, they totally shut him down, and did it in the courts too! Try telling anyone who has lost someone to cancer since the 1930's that that was just and neccessary. Here is a link to a story which should scare all Australians, http://www.middlepath.com.au/foh/childtheft.php

What about the aborigines in Australia who were used as guinea pigs for the affects or radiation poisoning at Woomera byt the British and Australian scientists in the 1950's? What about the Japanese people who were sacrificed by the Americans to show off there new weapon and hopefully scare the Russians into submission. The Americans new the Japanese wanted to surrender, they were told by the Russians. The Japanese had asked the Russians to tell the Americans that they wanted to surrender, the Germans and Italians, already defeated, the Japanese knew it was futile to keep fighting, and all they wanted was to keep their Emperor, all other conditions were agreed to. The Americans were already worried about Stalin, who actually killed as many of his people as Hitler killed Jews, so they told Stalin they would use their new weapon on the Japanese expecting him to become worried, of which he replied " I hope you use it effectively" this was mainly due to the fact that he already had scientists working on the same thing and very close to completion. There are so so many lies in accepted history, it is disgusting really.

They say truth is stranger than fiction and there was never a truer word spoken. Port Arthur is another exercise in manufacturing public consent. The Russian revolution was another case in point. Someone convinced the Russian monachy to put all their wealth in the Rothschild's bank and after they did, the shadow governemt financed the revolution telling the revolutionists to kill every member of the royal family so as to make sure their was no claimants to the vast wealth stored at the bank.

As time goes on I will make available some of the things I have discovered in my search for answers as to why the world is this way, but one thing you all have to ask yourself; If we spend more and more money on health and nedical research why aren't people getting better, why are there more diseases not less, why isn't the situation improving? If we spend so much money on foreign aid, why is there still poverty, famine and everything else that goes along with 3rd world countries? Why with all the legislation, with all the war on terror, with a united front and all the resources in the world of the 'coalition of the willing' with all countries of the world just about, condemning terrorism, why are there more terrorist attacks not less? more terrorist activity not less? why is the whole act of living becoming harder not easier, become worse not better, when so much money, resources, man hours, manpower and whatever else are being thrown at the problem??????? Maybe because there are actually forces in control of our lives who want it that way, becauae they make maximum profit that way, because they gain the greatest power that way.

For any thinking person, something really stinks, and stinks bad with what's going on in this world at this time, and in essence, it happens because we all allow it, because we are too blind to look with our own eyes, because we believe everything we are told. Many of you hear see the idiocy of the media and government departments when it comes to MDMA reporting and coverage. We know the stupidity because we do the drug and know the reality, know the bullshit from the truth, but what about everything else the media report on, and what the government tells us? In truth, I think they are both guilty of the same misinformation with everything as with the MDMA stories that have become so apparent over time.

Now it is easy to dismiss someone's rantings without some sort of legitimisation with sources and the like so I will give you all a few things to research. Bohemian Grove, www.tranceformation.com, skull and bones, William Coopers 'Behold a Pale Horse', the Trilateral Comission, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderburgers, the Club of Rome, this link http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/sw4qw/index.shtml , the Royal Institute of International Affairs, HAARP, chemtrails, Bloodlines of the Illuminati by Fritz Springmeier, Adam Weishaupt and the Bavarian Illuminati, the Vrill Society. This will give you somewhat of an idea, but here is something interesting just for a taster

THE WORLD WILL KNOW THE TRUTH

John Pilger in New Statesman (London) 16 December 2002

John Pilger reveals the deranged agendas of the ruthlessly
power-and-profit-greedy people directing the current American
administration, most of them relics from the Reagan-Bush Sr. cold war
era.


"Two years ago a project set up by the men who now surround George W.
Bush
said what America needed was "a new Pearl Harbor". It's clearly
spelled
out aims have very conveniently come alarmingly true, according to
John
Pilger in the New Statesman.

"The threat posed by US state terrorism to the security of nations and
individuals was outlined in prophetic detail in this secret document
written more than a year before the Sept. 11 events, and accidentally
exposed recently. What was needed for America to dominate most of
humanity
and the world's resources, it said, was "some catastrophic and
catalysing
event -like a new Pearl Harbor".

"The attacks of 11 September 2001 provided the "new Pearl Harbor",
described as "the opportunity of ages". The extremists who have since
ruthlessly and effectively exploited 11 September come from the era of
Ronald Reagan, when far-right groups and "think-tanks" were
established to
avenge the American "defeat" in Vietnam.

"One of George W. Bush's "thinkers" is Richard Perle. I interviewed
Perle
when he was advising Reagan; and when he spoke about "total war", I
then
dismissed him as mad. He recently used the term again in describing
America's "war on terror". "No stages," he said. "This is total war.
We
are fighting a variety of enemies. There are lots of them out there.
All
this talk about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then we will do
Iraq
. . . this is entirely the wrong way to go about it. If we just
let our
vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely and we don't
try
to piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total war . . .
our
children will sing great songs about us years from now."

"Perle is one of the founders of the Project for the New American
Century, the PNAC. Other founders include Dick Cheney, now vice-
president,
Donald Rumsfeld, defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, deputy defence
secretary, Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, William J Bennett,
Reagan's education secretary, and Zalmay Khalilzad, Bush's ambassador
to
Afghanistan. These are the modern chartists of American state
terrorism.

"The PNAC's seminal report, Rebuilding America's Defences: strategy,
force
and resources for a new century, was a blueprint of American aims in
all
but name. Two years ago it recommended an increase in arms-spending
by $48
billion so that Washington could "fight and win multiple,
simultaneous
major theatre wars". This has happened. It said the United States
should
develop "bunker-buster" nuclear weapons and make "star wars" a
national
priority. This is happening.

"It said that, in the event of Bush taking power, Iraq should be a
target.
And so it is. As for Iraq's alleged "weapons of mass destruction",
these
were dismissed, in so many words, as a convenient excuse, which it
is.

"While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate
justification," it says, "the need for a substantial American force
presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam
Hussein." How has this grand strategy been implemented?

"A series of articles in the Washington Post, co-authored by Bob
Woodward
of Watergate fame and based on long interviews with senior members of
the
Bush administration, reveals how 11 September was manipulated.

"On the morning of 12 September 2001, without any evidence of who the
hijackers were, Rumsfeld demanded that the US attack Iraq. According
to
Woodward, Rumsfeld told a cabinet meeting that Iraq should be "a
principal
target of the first round in the war against terrorism". Iraq was
temporarily spared only because Colin Powell, the secretary of state,
persuaded Bush that "public opinion has to be prepared before a move
against Iraq is possible". Afghanistan and the Talibans, created,
trained
and funded by the CIA, was chosen as the softer option.

"If Jonathan Steele's estimate in the Guardian is correct, some 20,000
people in Afghanistan paid the price of this debate with their lives.

"Time and again, 11 September is described as an "opportunity". In
last
April's New Yorker, the investigative reporter Nicholas Lemann wrote
that
Bush's most senior adviser, Condoleezza Rice, told him she had called
together senior members of the National Security Council and asked
them
"to think about 'how do you capitalise on these opportunities' ",
which
she compared with those of "1945 to 1947": the start of the cold
war."

Note: If anyone wishes to investigate in depth and detail all the
extraordinary unexplained anomalies and blatant consistencies in the
official story about September 11, I recommend the website
http://208.187.163.46/completetimeline/index.htm

"Since 11 September, America has established bases at the gateways to
all
the major sources of fossil fuels, especially central Asia. The
Unocal oil
company is to build a pipeline across Afghanistan.

"Bush has scrapped the Kyoto Protocol on greenhouse gas emissions,
the war
crimes provisions of the International Criminal Court and the
anti-ballistic missile treaty. He has said he will use nuclear weapons
against non-nuclear states "if necessary".

"Under cover of propaganda about Iraq's alleged weapons of mass
destruction, the Bush regime is developing new weapons of mass
destruction
that undermine international treaties on biological and chemical
warfare.


"In the Los Angeles Times, the military analyst William Arkin
describes a
secret army set up by Donald Rumsfeld, similar to those run by Richard
Nixon and Henry Kissinger and which Congress outlawed. This
"super-intelligence support activity" will bring together the "CIA and
military covert action, information warfare, and deception".
According to
a classified document prepared for Rumsfeld, the new organisation,
known
by its Orwellian euphemism as the Proactive Pre-emptive Operations
Group,
or P2OG, WILL PROVOKE TERRORIST ATTACKS which would then require
"counter-attack" by the United States on countries "harbouring the
terrorists". "In other words, innocent people will be killed by the
United
States. This is reminiscent of Operation Northwoods, the plan put to
President Kennedy by his military chiefs for a phoney terrorist
campaign -
complete with bombings, hijackings, plane crashes and dead Americans -
as
justification for an invasion of Cuba. Kennedy rejected it. He was
assassinated a few months later. Now Rumsfeld has resurrected
Northwoods,
but with resources undreamt of in 1963 and with no global rival to
invite
caution.

"You have to keep reminding yourself this is not fantasy: that truly
dangerous men, such as Perle and Rumsfeld and Cheney, have power. The
thread running through their ruminations is the importance of the
media:
"the prioritised task of bringing on board journalists of repute to
accept
our position".

"Our position" is CODE FOR LYING. Certainly, as a journalist, I have
never
known official lying to be more pervasive than today. We may laugh
at the
vacuities in Tony Blair's "Iraq dossier" and Jack Straw's inept lie
that
Iraq has developed a nuclear bomb (which his minions rushed
to "explain").
But the more insidious lies, justifying an unprovoked attack on Iraq
and
linking it to would-be terrorists who are said to lurk in every Tube
station, are routinely channelled as news. They are not news; they
are
BLACK PROPAGANDA.

"This corruption makes journalists and broadcasters mere
ventriloquists'
dummies. An attack on a nation of 22 million suffering people is
discussed
by liberal commentators as if it were a subject at an academic
seminar, at
which pieces can be pushed around a map, as the old imperialists used
to
do.

"The issue for these humanitarians is not primarily the brutality of
modern imperial domination, but how "bad" Saddam Hussein is. There is
no
admission that their decision to join the war party further seals the
fate
of tens or even hundreds of thousands of innocent ordinary people
condemned to wait on America's international death row. Their
doublethink
will not work. You cannot support murderous piracy in the name of
humanitarianism. Moreover, the extremes of American fundamentalism
that we
now face have been staring at us for too long for those of good heart
and
sense not to recognise
them.

"Remember, if you send this on to just 10 others and all down the
chain
each one follows the same simple procedure, THE WORLD WILL KNOW THE
TRUTH:
That the present US administration is threatening in an
unprecedented way
not only the peace and survival of millions, but the entire planet
and all
life on it. Other nations MUST speak up to put a stop to this
madness.
The press is in the pay of the destructive powers and will not tell
us the
truth, so the Internet is our only way to access and spread the truth.

There is so much more out there, and over time, if I have a willing audience, I'd like to share more with those who are willing to listen. Cheers, and sorry for the long post, but you can't even beging to explain subjects as complex as these with short non descript posts.
 
from this web page

NO BOMB LINKS TO SHOOTING
The man mistakenly shot dead by police in the belief that he was linked to a series of attempted bomb attacks has been named by police.

Jean Charles de Menezes, a 27-year-old Brazilian, was killed by officers on Friday as he tried to board a Tube train at Stockwell, south London.

Detectives later established that he was not connected to attempts to blow up three Underground trains and a bus in the capital the day before.

More at the web page
 
silvia saint said:
can't be fucked with a long response right now but...

read my previous posts on this page, you see where i'm coming from. the fact is false flag attacks have been carried out throughout history (google the term). america was going to carry out attacks on it's own citizens and blame it on cuba to justify an invasion in the 60's. (look up the declassfied Operation Northwood documents too.)

the fact is, it would be incredibly easy to frame somebody, such as the dead man, or assist the terrorists and take advantage.


edit: added link - false flag

I won't go into it here, as it's not particularly on topic, but i completely agree with your views on False Flag attacks and the fact that it's very easy to frame a dead man... Lee Harvey Oswald, anyone? :\

S_S, check your pm. :)
 
If you look to be of Middle Eastern origin and three intimidating men come after you with guns, do not run, repeat do not run. Running away from intimidating men with guns is now an executable offence.

Thank you John Howard for making us safe by wasting millions of dollars on CCTV cameras so after the fuck had been blown out of us we can readily identify who did it.

1984 is here. How long before the cameras are in all our houses?

Once again I must reiterate, looking Middle Eastern is now an executable offence. All ethnic minorities are now required by law to stay off the fucking streets.
 
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