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Tell us about piperazines. (The Big 'n' Dandy Merged Piperazine Thread)

great post, IF!
I wonder if there might be a better drug to be combined with MeOPP than McPP.
Perhaps a straight-forward classical stimulant...

ebola
 
ebola? said:
great post, IF!
I wonder if there might be a better drug to be combined with MeOPP than McPP.
Perhaps a straight-forward classical stimulant...

ebola
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Possibly just BZP, which is indeed a straight stimulant, albeit a bit edgy. meOPP seems to lack edginess - it's more of a flooring, stoning high. There's other piperazines circulating the market too that I haven't mentioned, most of which are dead ends or simply duplicates of other piperazines in function. There's been hype about one called MDBZP, which is nonsense - it's basically BZP with a methylenedioxy molecule strapped onto it. As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), it's basically exactly like BZP except for weaker potency, at least that's what I've heard.

I think piperazines are an untapped market outside of New Zealand, where they're more or less legal. They're reasonably safe, what with all these Mondo Super Hyper energy drinks on the US market that just keep getting stronger and stronger - I'd say a small dose of a piperazine can be safer than chugging one of those psychotic triple energy cans that have the equivalent of six cups of coffee in them, or more. If only America would relent - if they could see that there are substitutes to psychedelics that essentially do the same thing (albeit poorly), but reasonably safely, with less potency, and less intoxication.
 
I wouldn't recommend mixing another real bona fide stimulant like amphetamine with any piperazine other than meOPP, which doesn't seem to have much stimulation. People have had seizures from overdosing on piperazines (one of which was MDBZP - idiots), so I can imagine that mixing something like mCPP or TFMPP with an amphetamine might be asking for trouble.
 
I have never tried any of these chemicals. Knowing about these make me not want to buy pills. Lucky, molly is all around this area, so I feel a little better. To me rolling is about the mdma/mda, fuck the other shit. I see posts on PR about people liking the pipes/etc, they wouldn't know shit about rolling imo. Then again you have the people who don't like the mdma high. All I can say is I was offered good pills last month at the club (did not have my tester on me) and was scared about these pipes/etc, so I turned them down. I found out later they were mdma and bangers. Better be safe than sorry..
 
I love them. they are not MDMA, and anyone selling them as such will get throatpunched by me later.

but overall, I find BZP very very euphoric and fun. (but im a stim junkie) not quite as good as D-amp...but still very enjoyable, euphoric, rushing stimulant goodness.

TFMPP and PFPP can give some very neat trips. but the nature is more physedelic and not empathogenic or MDMA like...much more like LSD or mushrooms then MDMA...but still, nothing like LSD or mushies either. none the less, some amazing pretty visuals, trippy spiralling thoughs, ect.

the side effects can be bothersome, moreso if you a) dont know you took piperazines and b) do know, but decide to ignore the basics of not redosing, not taking hueg dosages, and drinking 600ml to one litre of water per hour, with a gatoraide or vitamine type water at the beginning or end....makes of world of difference in the physical hangover, headache, neasua, ect.
 
If you try and blow them, the pain/taste is one of the most terrible things I have ever experienced, and I was already expecting it to burn as most e pills do.

Couldnt sleep at all, the comedown the next consisted of me sitting awake tweaked out inbetween trips to the bathroom to cough up what little contents were in my stomach.
 
Bad Piperazine Idea #1: Do not snort piperazines. They will burn with the fire of a thousand suns.

No joke, I have snorted pretty much any drug worth snorting, and when I snorted pure mCPP powder, it felt as if my nose caught fire. It was worse than any drug I've ever put up my nose. I actually cried out and my eyes filled with water. That never happens to me with crushed ecstasy pills (which typically burn a lot), or really, anything else unkosher to snort.
 
Rectify said:
Now that BZP and TFMPP are Schedule I in the US and Class A in the UK, we should be hearing a lot less out of them.

But to answer the question, BZP to me felt like a low dose of amphetamine while TFMPP felt like a variant of trazodone. There was a little euphoria, but these piperazines don't hold a candle to the stimulation of classical amphetamines or the no holds barred euphoria of MDMA.
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BZP and TFMPP ain't Class A in the UK.where u hear that incorrect information?

it's only BZP thats now semi illegal in the UK. which is a prescription only drug,lol.
 
BZP on it's own at 200mg dosage:
felt much more rushy and much more aggressive than speed, and u could dance all night for hours at a time non stop dancing to any music moving like crazy.
some euphoria, and HUGE music appreaction.
terrible paranoia,edgyness, dirtyness and excessive heat on it, hotter than on mdma. and some weird deliriant style trippyness.
comedown i felt like i couldn't move and had total lack of energy, and couldn't sleep, next evening i slept for 2 whole days.
the first morning to night i had fluctuations of extreme heat to shivering.

made me wonder if BZP is like crystal meth.

BZP approx 200mg with approx 50mg TFMPP, made a huge difference to the euphoria and had a slight loved up feeling. otherwise the same feelings as above, but felt more out of it was much more trippy in a bad way.
comedown was worse, some nausea on it.
and a terrible flu like hangover lasting 4-5 days, if i did more than 2x 200mg of BZP and 2x 50mg of TFMPP in a night.
weird fluctuations of feeling boiling hot in minute, cold the next lasted 2 days after the comedown.

also some of those pills like London Underground Triple XXX(200mg BZP + 1000mg MZP) lasted me 8 hours of buzzing which is longggggggg, but great for raving all night on without having to top up.

anyway i've tried all sorts of BZP pills and powders.

Funk Escape were BZP, PFPP, MEOPP, no TFMPP in them. and felt much cleaner, gave a better trip too due to the PFPP. but still had a nasty hangover.

MEO Summer pills with just 200mg of MEOPP in felt pretty clean, didn't make u feel as boiling hot as things like London Underground Jax.
but since MEO Summer pills had nothing alse than MEOPP in them, u couldn't really dance on them, not much energy on them.
but defiantly were really euphoric and quite loved up.

MBZP i tried which is like a weaker, slightly cleaner version of BZP, and is less rushy and less in your face.
and since BZP got banned to sell in the UK, MBZP replaced it.

MBZP + MEOPP together could make a decent E - like legal pill.


PFPP on it's on is just trippy i found.

TFMPP on it's on don't do much until u get to about 50mg and over, then it gets trippy in a bad way.

MCPP i've only had in those dodgy White Sharks, and made me throw up a lot, feel really boiling hot, faint, dizzy and felt like i was dying.
 
how r these things legal in the uk there terrible the high is ok for about an hour. then its just constent depending on which pip u take. but personally for me none agree. sickness is a big factor with these for me aswell i would advise any 1 to avoid these pips
 
IF said:
There's been hype about one called MDBZP, which is nonsense - it's basically BZP with a methylenedioxy molecule strapped onto it. As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), it's basically exactly like BZP except for weaker potency, at least that's what I've heard.
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Yup, and you're right on MDBZP. It turns out that piperazines have a totally different SAR from phenethylamines.
Yup, people need to drop the idea that 3,4-methylenedioxy = empathogens.

ebola
 
i HATE mcpp and piperazine pills.. ther is no mdma pills around my area at the minute and wer stuck with this crap it makes me major paranoid and feel really out of it in a horrible kinda way :(
 
wappedout said:
i HATE mcpp and piperazine pills.. ther is no mdma pills around my area at the minute and wer stuck with this crap it makes me major paranoid and feel really out of it in a horrible kinda way :(
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Don't buy them! But yes I know thats so easy to say if there is nothing else. I started clubbing in '92 and my first pill was one of the famous 'snowballs'. I look back now on some of the great times I had and honestly it does make me sad for younger people today who probably have never experienced a decent MDMA pill and how angry it makes me to watch pill after pill appear that is mcpp rubbish sold as E.

I like yourself m8 have done a number of dodgy mcpp pills and BZP herbals in the last year simply because there was nothing else about but got a testing kit a number of months ago and decided that was it, unless it was proven there was some kind of MDMA type substance in them I'm NEVER doing a shit pill again. I'm sticking to my morals this time haha. Thankfully managed to get good stuff in Ibiza during the summer and since have picked up some good pills here in the UK
 
red dawn?

anyone heard of red dawn vector...i live in south u.s. and it seems like the red dawn drink / pill is kinda popular and i am pretty sure this is piperazine products...
anyone tried this garbo? is it any good?

you can buy em at most any headshops around here
 
Honestly, BZP feels very similar to amphetamines.

They try to market it as an MDMA alternative, with some added TFMPP to simulate the emotions and visuals of MDMA, but really its just equivalent to speed with some mushrooms.
 
I have retired taking and E pills...

Molly is only thing ill mess with now... WAY TO MANY BEAT BZP pills all over the market... dealers not knowing crap, and selling this crap... NYC is flooed with transformers, Stars,Barts simpsons, and other beat pills that are being pressed in canada and sold to dumb dealers ALL OVER!!

havent seen any out presses yet... waiting for those shit pills to come HERE!
 
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