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do people actually like pipers and the sick feeling that you get, the only people i know that like them are the ones who never really rolled, they think that they rolled but most of the pills they have consumed have been methbombs or pipers so most of these new age ravers/partiers have never even felt the love of are best friend mdma, i been eating beans for a long time and recently or the last few years have been crappy pills from what i used to get, there usally weak,methbombs or pipers. So back to my Q, do people actually like pipers, and why would you want to eat dogs worm pills.
 
Anybody who has experienced real MDMA would most likely be disappointed with piperazines.

But as you said, new users dont know the difference so the providers can still sell that shit and make their money. It's sad!
 
Merged weside's piperazine thread into this one.

By the way ... piperazine, the chemical, is sometimes used as an anti-worm drug. Psychedelic piperazines are much different. Piperazines are a vast group of chemicals that all happen to share the piperazine ring (for the layperson - a grouping of atoms shaped and arranged in a specific way). Only a select few of these chemicals are the ones you find in pills.

Saying that people are eating "dogs worm pills" when they take psychedelic piperazines is like saying that people are drinking the industrial solvent benzene because they take MDMA, since MDMA has a benzene ring. Two vastly different things there.
 
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10:00pm: I dose one orange mushroom, gf doses the same....

11:00pm: We both dont feel much other than eyes open....

12:00pm We both just feel, eyes wide open, jaw lil tight, colors getting bright

1:00am: We both notice colors getting even brighter, stuff was shifting colors like shadows,jaw tighter not much tho..still to
weak, so i dose one more and the gf doses half a pill of the orange mushroom..

2:00 am: Stuff is "shadowing, looks like its almost moving more like morphing in shades... still does not feel like x....

3:00 am: I vomit, not like a sick vomit but more like "PUKE COMMING"

4:00 am: Feel like i might puke more, gf isnt puking at all, but feels like she might.Gf talks to me for about 2 hows about life, her experines when she was younger.

5:00am: We both start to get pariond, not much but keep thinking people at door..We start a tweaker mission looking for thermometer, cuz i think we might be over heating, we both where not one degree higher..

6:00am: Both have sex, for about 2 hours...Gf comes more then often, i cant cum.

7:00am: im having the hardest time to fucking piss, gf can i cant...

8:00am: - 12 noon we both feeling kinda sobar.

1:00pm: we think that its over take a shower, wrong, im not that faced, but my gf eyes are rolling back in her head, she says she is listening to Dj hixxy in her head
I shut up and dont bother her

2:00pm: i smack her up and she starts talking to me about shit , like what day is it, do i have work, what did we do, am i safe, ect...

3:00pm: im sober she still isnt, i kinda get freaked more parionod than ever cuz she is not straight like me...

4:00pm: she still is lost kinda still asking stupid shit that she knows the answers too..

5:00pm: still she is lost not fully recalls some things like what we did..

6:00pm: we both still feeling not hungry, not tired, nothing but tweaking kinda...

7:00pm: we both take sleeping pills i pass out for about a hour, gf says she will go on the pc.

8:00pm: she wakes me up that she is scared and dont feel good, i wake up like whoa...

9:00pm: We stay up and watch tv, i talk to her and she says she feels not so scared now.

10:00pm: she takes another shower cuz im like it will help she didnt want me in with her but wants to wait by the door, I notice her almost nodding out i scream get the fuck outta there, she finishes and tells me
on how hard she is tripping, im not at all im pretty much sober but tweaked..

11:00pm she is tripping balls talking about why is radio on, why the christmas tree is spinning and all this other shit... she says she is really sad, and crying for a hour, she is clincally depressed...

12:00pm: I recall she has some anti-depressents/ anti physcoitc pills, i give her one..

1:00am: she says she is totally not tripping feeling better and we smoke some hookah.

2:00am: we both watch tv and bullshit i tell her about how lost she was and she laughs

3:00am: i say lets take some sleeping pills i take more, she takes some...

4:00am - 8:00am We both wake up and like we cant sleep

9:00am: we both watch tv, does up more on sleeping pills

10:00am- 5:00 pm: we both pass out

6:00pm: We both are awake take a shower, kinda rethink wtf happend...

7:00pm we are fuckin feeling pariond like who, we talk about it helps us deal with it

8:00pm- 11:00pm: still feel like parniod , no come down other than parniod and anxious

12:00pm - We both go to sleep.
 
Idea:
maybe MeoPP would do well combined with some of the speedier empathogens. The downside would be that this is...as far as I know, very much untested territory...and some of these agents (eg, mephedrone) appear less than benign on their own.

ebola
 
Um....okay?

I can't send this to Trip Reports, as there isn't enough information for them to leave it open. I can't really send this anywhere else, because it doesn't quite fit anywhere else :\ I can leave this here, as a reminder to others to be safe, try to have sitters if you don't know what you're getting into, etc. Personally, I'm not real happy with the self-prescribing of the calm-down drugs but I do know it's very common for just this very reason - and it's not like you guys started munching them like mad trying to knock yourselves out for days until the trip wore off.

I'm not sure what to do with this. :\ Probably leave it here for a bit.
 
What piperazine is this? TFMPP? BZP? mCPP??? I saw on pillreports that there were some playboy pills going around that were mCPP.
 
I wanted to include this here as its an interesting look at 2 users 24 hours or so on piperazines.

In particular it highlights the problems trying to come down.




uknown user said:
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10:00pm: I dose one orange mushroom, gf doses the same....

11:00pm: We both dont feel much other than eyes open....

12:00pm We both just feel, eyes wide open, jaw lil tight, colors getting bright

1:00am: We both notice colors getting even brighter, stuff was shifting colors like shadows,jaw tighter not much tho..still to
weak, so i dose one more and the gf doses half a pill of the orange mushroom..

2:00 am: Stuff is "shadowing, looks like its almost moving more like morphing in shades... still does not feel like x....

3:00 am: I vomit, not like a sick vomit but more like "PUKE COMMING"

4:00 am: Feel like i might puke more, gf isnt puking at all, but feels like she might.Gf talks to me for about 2 hows about life, her experines when she was younger.

5:00am: We both start to get pariond, not much but keep thinking people at door..We start a tweaker mission looking for thermometer, cuz i think we might be over heating, we both where not one degree higher..

6:00am: Both have sex, for about 2 hours...Gf comes more then often, i cant cum.

7:00am: im having the hardest time to fucking piss, gf can i cant...

8:00am: - 12 noon we both feeling kinda sobar.

1:00pm: we think that its over take a shower, wrong, im not that faced, but my gf eyes are rolling back in her head, she says she is listening to Dj hixxy in her head
I shut up and dont bother her

2:00pm: i smack her up and she starts talking to me about shit , like what day is it, do i have work, what did we do, am i safe, ect...

3:00pm: im sober she still isnt, i kinda get freaked more parionod than ever cuz she is not straight like me...

4:00pm: she still is lost kinda still asking stupid shit that she knows the answers too..

5:00pm: still she is lost not fully recalls some things like what we did..

6:00pm: we both still feeling not hungry, not tired, nothing but tweaking kinda...

7:00pm: we both take sleeping pills i pass out for about a hour, gf says she will go on the pc.

8:00pm: she wakes me up that she is scared and dont feel good, i wake up like whoa...

9:00pm: We stay up and watch tv, i talk to her and she says she feels not so scared now.

10:00pm: she takes another shower cuz im like it will help she didnt want me in with her but wants to wait by the door, I notice her almost nodding out i scream get the fuck outta there, she finishes and tells me
on how hard she is tripping, im not at all im pretty much sober but tweaked..

11:00pm she is tripping balls talking about why is radio on, why the christmas tree is spinning and all this other shit... she says she is really sad, and crying for a hour, she is clincally depressed...

12:00pm: I recall she has some anti-depressents/ anti physcoitc pills, i give her one..

1:00am: she says she is totally not tripping feeling better and we smoke some hookah.

2:00am: we both watch tv and bullshit i tell her about how lost she was and she laughs

3:00am: i say lets take some sleeping pills i take more, she takes some...

4:00am - 8:00am We both wake up and like we cant sleep

9:00am: we both watch tv, does up more on sleeping pills

10:00am- 5:00 pm: we both pass out

6:00pm: We both are awake take a shower, kinda rethink wtf happend...

7:00pm we are fuckin feeling pariond like who, we talk about it helps us deal with it

8:00pm- 11:00pm: still feel like parniod , no come down other than parniod and anxious

12:00pm - We both go to sleep.
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So this is my first post. I've been on hipforums for a while and reading here. Just to let everyone know in my Animal Physiology Lab we used McPP as a trigger to induce OCD behaviors in rats and eventually test drugs that may be used to treat OCD in humans.

In short...it can possibly trigger OCD behaviors in mammals and most likely humans. This includes paranoia and other negative mental side effects. My suggestion is stay away. Get some e, molly, whatever if you have to.
 
They are scary. Much different then MDMA. Its the Silent Hill side of MDMA.
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So this is my first post. I've been on hipforums for a while and reading here. Just to let everyone know in my Animal Physiology Lab we used McPP as a trigger to induce OCD behaviors in rats and eventually test drugs that may be used to treat OCD in humans.

In short...it can possibly trigger OCD behaviors in mammals and most likely humans. This includes paranoia and other negative mental side effects. My suggestion is stay away. Get some e, molly, whatever if you have to.
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Interesting info; not surprising. How long have animal physiology labs been using McPP for such a purpose.
 
This is what happens when you do pipes

Your heart beats a lot harder than normal rolling, and you get paranoid
You are never satisfied doing one thing
I don't want to listen to music
You go on random missions for stupid stuff because you think you are dying.
I can give a good light show

Bottom line, pipes suck so much ass

FM
 
^ damn. apparently the shit i got was def pipes then.

Originally Posted by 2oclockbeanfiend.2 View Post
i beg you PLEASE...WATCH OUT FOR DIRTY,HORRIBLE,DISGUSTING rolls in Raleigh...there was def a lil bit of MDMA in them, but after the first 30 minutes or so it was str8 DYSPHORIA from there on out...i couldn't listen to music...i curled up on my couch begging for the shit to stop...i actually took a fuckin 0.5mg klonopin to ease that shit up...and why the FUCK would i ever want to ease up a roll? imagine begging for a "roll" to stop while at the same time not being able to listen to music...thats just fucking insane...MDMA+music = the greatest combination in the history of combinations

the ones i got were pretty crumbled so there really was no stamp...but i took 2 and i seriously dont know wtf imma do with the 3rd one....my mind is blown...i'm a 5 on the regular type dude...but these shits were absolutely horrendous...vomiting...vomiting....vomiting...dys phoria is really the only word i can think of, cuz it was the exact opposite of euphoria, which mdma is the goddess of...im in utter disgust
 
It did my first pipe pills recently. I popped one and another an hour later. About 3 hours in I wasn't impressed much. Music didn't sound good, felt really wide eyed, and wasn't having fun. I decided maybe they were really MDMA low so I took a third bean and chopped it and snorted it. For the next 3 hours I was tweaking out insanely. The said part is they tested positive or MDMA

FM
 
Sry in case this is OT, but I actually had one of those Red Dawn pills that someone mentioned earlier in the thread not so long ago... God was it creepy... I had read earlier that someone thought it was DXM in them, so I was kinda expecting it... I popped it early in the morning cus I had nothing else to do:
10:00 am popped one pink pill, Red Dawn Vector
10:45 am I started to feel a bit slow
11:00 am I feel really drunk and kinda sick at the same time
11:15 am Feel sick, want to puke, goes to the bathroom and gag a little..
11:30 am My pupils are dilated, not MDMA dilated but close, things are a bit fuzzy
12:00 am I feel a bit paranoid, and my vision is fucked up. I kinda hallucinate, my fork is huuuuuge and it's almost impossible to make lunch but I pull through it cus I feel that I really need to get something to eat to get this fucked up feeling to pass
3:00 pm I've been spending all my time watching comedy on the TV to "keep me happy", as soon as I'm not fully focused on fun stuff on the TV I feel aweful and I'm afraid that I'll start hallucinating fucked up shit...
4 pm I feel better, I'm able to walk around without feeling like shit
6 pm I almost feel sober now, just got a bad headache coming on

Next day I was slightly hungover with a mild headache...

Question, what the FUCK was in those pills?! Pipz or DXM??!?!
 
i popped half red rolex last weekend on a party, and when i was starting to feel the shitness of the pipe, i was kinda pissed coz i drunk too and it was a great party with all my friends and shit, luckily one girl had some quality speed, so i snorted some lines, and actually it kinda runs over pipe, so basically 1 line ( if ur not into speed) will stop pipe shit. And i didnt feel the next day.
 
I think a lot of people are over reacting when they say theres no good pills these days, thats just bullshit, if most of the people replying to this have had good ones then theres gotta be good ones somewhere. I think the US is pretty bad for adulterated pills though correct me if im wrong.

Ive been lucky enough to get good pills almost every time ive done them over ike 5 years, I dont think ive ever had pips but whenever it was a methbomb, k-bomb, 2C-B/I or whatever else I was always informed so I guess people are either testing pills or just getting lucky. If your a massive bicky monster then you need to have a tester, the downside for people who hardly use them is the reagent liquid goes off really quickly, like in a month or two I think so for someone like me who only rolls say once every 3 months id only get to use it once before it becomes unreliable and the liquid goes off. Im not sure what kind this was, I have a feeling it was the marquis one(but im really not sure) and we had some K-bombs(Red mitsubishi's so you know why we were testing them) and the thing tested for 2C-B, K, MDMA and MDA, thats what it said in the instructions but people are always asking "what happens when it does this....Turns blue and fizzes for example?" so I guess its all just chemistry which I dont understand lol

But really, if your going to spend $200+ on drugs then you can at least fork out the $50 or however much they cost to go buy a tester, its better than the thousands you will spend on medical bills or death if shit goes wrong, what if you give your friend a pill and they drop dead coz some other drug is in the pill? You gotta be really careful these days, I know a guy from school who OD'd on pills about a year ago, I dont knw the whole story and I dont think anyone does, its not really any of my business but I doubt it was MDMA in those pills.

Take care peoples :D
 
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