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Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread

Seriously though, they are covered by analogue acts in every state except Victoria (which still might not have an analogue act, not sure). Not that those laws seem to get much use.
This. Which means that technically they ARE all banned.

EDIT: Oh and I guess I should post another serious thing; even if the substances in question are legal, BL wasn't created and isn't run to disseminate sources for these drugs. We are here so that people can learn and keep themselves from harm.
And this. Good point Mr B :)
 
Considering they banned more products instead of using the analogue laws suggest that they aren't willing to use them just yet.. or don't understand them.

Would that URB compound be considered illegal? Apparently it is used in some smoking blends in the US so I wouldn't be surprised if it was in some from here too.
 
Personally, I think you'd have to be malevolent (or ignorant, sadly it's most likely the latter) to sell URB597 for recreational use, and have a total disregard for your own well-being to ingest it.
 
Yeah I agree with you, especially after reading the thread in Advanced Drug Discussion on it and that guys story of kidney(?) problems from it.
 
Boy, 14, dies following double lung transplant after smoking synthetic marijuana out of PEZ candy dispenser

A boy of 13 who was forced to undergo a double lung transplant after smoking synthetic marijuana has died, it emerged last night.
Brandon Rice suffered chemical burns inside his chest when he smoked fake cannabis out of a plastic PEZ candy dispenser.
Doctors in his home town of Pittsburgh were able to save his life following an extraordinary transplant operation in September.

Tragic: Brandon Rice, 13, suffered chemical burns inside his chest when he smoked fake cannabis out of a plastic PEZ candy dispenser
But on Wednesday - just a month since the operation - he died from an infection after the procedure severely weakened his immune system.
In the weeks after Brandon fell ill in June, parents Tonya and Raymond Rice have spoken out about the drug - known by various names, such as K2, Spice, Blaze and Vanilla Sky - in hopes to raise awareness about its potentially lethal side-effects.

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Tonya Rice told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review newspaper Brandon was put on a respirator in June after smoking Spice fake cannabis, which is said to be ten times more dangerous than cocaine.
She said: 'He was smart. He was caring. He was a good baseball player. He loved to hunt. He loved to fish. He was a fighter.'

Bright: Doctors in Brandon's home town of Pittsburgh were able to save his life following a double lung transplant in September

Lost life: Brandon died from an infection after the procedure severely weakened his immune system
'It was hard, very hard. He couldn't talk to us. We had to read his lips. A lot of times we couldn't understand what he was saying. He fought and fought and fought.'
The Southmoreland eighth-grader passed away at UPMC Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh, his mother said.
Governor Tom Corbett signed legislation outlawing synthetic marijuana a few days after the Brandon Rice became ill. The ban took effect in August.
Pennsylvania became the 21st state to ban the sale of synthetic drugs, which are known to cause agitation, paranoia and hallucinations, according to the National Institutes of Health.
Under the new law. first-time offenders convicted of simple possession will face up to a year in jail and a $5,000 fine.

Dangerous: Brandon Rice, 13, told his parents he smoked a form of synthetic marijuana called Spice before he fell ill

Poisoned: The teenager suffered chemical burns to his lungs after smoking Spice from a plastic PEZ candy dispenser
Those convicted of possession with the intent to deliver could face up to five years in prison and a $15,000 fine under the ban.
Laboratory-made drugs have been around since the middle of the 20th century, when LSD was first studied.
But synthetic marijuana - produced by spraying dried plant material with a chemical compound - has only been around for the last few years.
Doctors usually treat overdoses with anti-anxiety drugs like Valium and Xanax which slow the heart rate.
SYNTHETIC DRUGS: 'MORE DANGEROUS THAN COKE'
Laboratory-made drugs have been around since the middle of the 20th century, when LSD was first studied.
But synthetic marijuana - produced by spraying dried plant material with a chemical compound - has only been around for the last few years.
Effects include paranoia, delusions, hallucinations, seizures and a rapid heartbeat and symptoms can last for days.
Doctors usually treat overdoses with anti-anxiety drugs like Valium and Xanax which slow the heart rate.
One patient told a doctor at the Carolinas Poison Center it was 'like being on cocaine, but ten times worse'.
The drugs, legal in many states, are marketed as 'soothing' bath salts or incense and can be bought for as little as $10 a time.
Cases relating to Spice and bath salts are becoming increasing frequent and have been implicated in at least ten deaths since last year, including the suicide of 18-year-old David Rozga, who shot himself after taking marijuana-like substance K2.
In March, former Rutgers student William Parisio was charged with murdering his girlfriend after taking bath salts.
In January, Neil Brown, from Missouri, used a hunting knife to slit his face and stomach after taking bath salts.
Earlier this year in Kentucky, a young woman who had taken bath salts became convinced her two-year-old son was a demon when she was driving along the highway.
A dozen students have also been expelled from the U.S. Naval Academy for taking or possessing the same drug, which can cause seizures, hallucinations and extreme paranoia.
Synthetic drugs have surged in popularity particularly this year as they become more widely available.
The synthetically-produced drugs can be snorted or smoked and are popular because they do not show up in drugs tests.
Last year fake marijuana, known as Spice or K2 was the most popular substance, but this year bath salts - sold under innocuous names like Bliss or Ivory Wave - have taken over.
Figures released by the American Association of Poison Control Centers released earlier this year show at least 2,700 people have fallen ill after taking the drugs since January, compared to just 3,200 in the whole of 2010.
They have received 1,300 calls about synthetic marijuana this year alone - compared with 2,874 calls for the whole of 2010 - while calls for bath salts have rocketed, with 1,400 since January compared to just 301 last year.

Chemical burns to his lungs? I wonder if the PEZ dispenser played a bigger part in that then the synthetic cannabinoids.
 
Hi folks... I'm doing my own research into this (checking acts, etc) but thought I'd also ask the community engaged with this thread for their opinion and information:

What is the legal status of synthetic cannabis in Australia?

So far I can see that the TGA prohibited 8 variants in July of this year. WA enacted separate state legislation (perhaps also Tas? SA? NSW?). Media reports indicate that other states have announced separate state legislation but may not have enacted it yet. I understand there are also analogue acts which differ between states.

Sorry if this has already been covered - I have read bits of this thread but not every word.

I am planning to write a blog post summarising current legal status of synthetic cannabinoids in Australia as it's a confusing area which a lot of people are keen to understand.

Thanks :)
 
The following is a list of compounds currently scheduled in Australia. This means all the below are now ILLEGAL in every way, shape and form.


(1-(5-Fluoropentyl)-3-(2-iodobenzoyl)indole)
2-(2-Methoxyphenyl)-1-(1-pentylindol-3-yl)ethanone
(1-(2-Morpholin-4-ylethyl)indol-3-yl)-naphthalen-1-ylmethanone
Naphthalen-1-yl-(1-butylindol-3-yl)methanone
1-Pentyl-3-(4-methyl-1-naphthoyl)indole
1-Pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole
2-[(1R,3S)-3-Hydroxycyclohexyl]-5-(2-methylnonan-2-yl)phenol
2-[(1R,3S)-3-Hydroxycyclohexyl]- 5-(2-methyloctan-2-yl)phenol
1-PROPYL-2-METHYL-3-(1-NAPHTHOYL)INDOLE
l-HEXYL-3 ,(l-NAPHTHOYL)INDOLE
1-PENTYL-3-(4-METHOXY-1-NAPHTHOYL)INDOLE
2-(4-METHOXYPBENYL)-l-(1-PENTYL-1 H-INDOL-3-YL)-ETHANONE
1-PENTYL-3-(2-CHLOROPHENYLACETYL)INDOLE
1-PENTYL-3-(4-ETHYL-1-NAPHTHOYL)INDOLE
2-(3-METHOXYPHENYL)-1-(1-PENTYLINDOL-3-YL)ETHANONE
1-PENTYL-3-(4-CHLORO-1-NAPHTHOYL)INDOLE
1-(5-FLUOROPENTYL)-3-(1-NAPHTHOYL)INDOLE
1-CYCLOHEXYLETHYL-3-(2-METHOXYPHENYLACETYL)INDOLE
4-METHOXYPHENYL(1-BUTYL-1 H-IND OL-3 -YL)-METHANONE
1-PENTYL-3-[(4-METHOXY)-BENZOYL]INDOLEPRAVADOLINE
 
^ Thanks for copying that straight from an Aussie vendors website hahahahaha (I was gonna do the same). I think what Tronica wants to know is these and what analogues are banned. Just cause these are banned, does not necessarily mean all analogues and modified compositions are illegal. You get me matey?
 
Depending on state: in WA nearly all of the psychoactive aminoalkylindoles are banned under state law. Maybe AM 1248 is not. I could provide a detalied list of banned and legal products as many are used in legitimate scientific research. AM 2389 AM5983 do not appear on this list. These are quite potent CB1 receptor agonists. Also take some paracetamol and hey presto AM 404 endogenous cannabanoid reuptake inhibitor with a very weak binding affinity to CB1 receptor. Who knows what is sprayed onto most of the herbal incense products as most vendors just tell you what is not in their product. The latest "legal" products could be any one of hundreds. Makes it hard to ban these products as AM 1241 is a genuine research chemical as are many others and some have psychoactive properties while others do not.
 
Thanks for the responses.

@lovespsychadelics - a detailed list would be great, in this thread or PM if you prefer

Seems like there will be an information sheet coming out soon summarising the legal status across all states. A lot of announcements about bans but these bans not necessarily being enacted into law at this stage.

There is also the issue of states banning a specified list of synthetic cannabinoids, but this meaning little when the companies simply bring out new products with similar effects using slightly different chemicals not on the banned list. Hard to keep up with it all!
 
Hi :)

My colleague and I have just co-written a blog post on the legal status of synthetic cannabinoids in Australia, see http://monicabarratt.net/?p=221

We've tried our best to understand exactly which ones are prohibited in each state by reading over the acts and amendments to acts, rather than simply reading news reports or government media releases (which don't always turn out to be accurate).

Nevertheless we anticipate having made mistakes so please, if any of you see something odd in our post, please let us know here or as a comment on the blog and we'll look into it.

Hope it is useful :)
 
^ Cheers for that Tronica.

I just saw an ad for 60 minutes where it seems they will be looking at legal highs, from the glimpse of imagery I got it definately is looking at synthetic cannabanoid blends but given some recent events I would not be surprised if it encompasses all RC's and 'legal highs'. Don't be surprised if the authorities start kicking up a fuss after this like they did with mephedrone/"meow meow".
 
am 2201 on coltsfoot is my current blend. in high doses this is psychedellic yet i feel no paranoia like occasionally on super strength budds.
What is a healthier alternative to the AM ive heard that its metabolized into potentially toxic byproducts. is that even correct?
and anybody found anything more user friendly and fluffy than coltsfoot?
 
ive heard that its metabolized into potentially toxic byproducts. is that even correct?
My (limited) understanding is that there are two dodgy parts of the structure. Firstly, the fluoropentyl chain might be metabolised to the highly toxic fluoroacetic acid. However, I think that the consensus is that this only occurs with chains that have an even number of carbon atoms, and that odd-numbered chains (such as the one on this drug) are metabolised into something much less nasty. Secondly, the naphthalene moiety is suspected to be carcinogenic, because it's just a big old hydrocarbon with nothing for your body to cling on to for metabolism. JWH-018 (which is very similar in structure to AM-2201, differing only in that fluorine atom, and also has that naphthalene moiety) caused cancer in mice.
What is a healthier alternative to the AM
No-one really knows. JWH-250 doesn't have the naphthalene bit, so is suspected to be less toxic, but these are RCs, there aren't any studies on toxicity in humans, certainly not from chronic usage.

DISCLAIMER
I am just some dickhead undergraduate, I don't really know what I'm talking about, take everything I say (or that anyone on the internet says, for that matter) with a pinch of salt.
 
My mate really enjoyed AM-2201 but now that it's illegal in QLD he's looking for a alternative and I think I found it.
MAM-2201 was synthesised as a replacement once AM-2201 was banned. It is structurally the same as AM-2201 but has an added methyl ring.
I can't wait until someone invents digital synthetic cannabis where someone puts on a set of headphones and becomes high. The government needs to give up this BS war on drugs before people find a new way. They ban Marijuana which created a market for synthetic alternatives and now that RC's are being banned it's only a matter of time before a new alternative arrives. There is just too large of a market for it to fade away into nothing and the government are more stupid than I thought if they think banning pot and then RC's will put an end to people's desire to get high.
 
^ It's still illegal if it is intended to mimic the effects of an illicit drug.

And if AM-2201 is a controlled substance in QLD, then MAM-2201 would be considered a near identical analogue/homologue. One methyl group is nothing.
 
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