Hi, so 21th january I wen't cold turkey off 17mL's of Methadone. Then I used dope (3-methyfentanyl) for 5 days. My last dose was 02:00AM on the 27th (Sunday) but I would still regard that as of 26th (you know what I mean).
So then, I woke up on the 27th, was positive that there couldn't be any methadone in my system, now just needed to get rid of the 3MF (which is extremely short acting opioid, although strong). While I was waiting for that I was on some Lyrica which helped wonderfully but the tolerance rises sky-high within a few days.
43,5 hours later, 28th january 9:30PM I did 1mg of Suboxone intranasally which worked wonders. And I felt OK, not good, but OK. Went to sleep, sleeping was bad (nothing as close to full w/d but just half awake, half asleep nightmares).
Next morning on the 29th around 9AM I did 1mg of Suboxone intranasally again, felt normal already. But the night was still bad, I feel chilled out and good during the day but just when I cover myself under that blanked my skin starts to get hot and I get switchy and unable to sleep.
Next morning on the 30th, around 9AM again, this time I did 2mg of Suboxone intranasally. Now I felt close to 100%, not high or anything but there definitely was some groove in my brain if you catch my drift. And at night, SAME SHIT!
This night I slept the worst!
Now It is the 31th, I am about to do 2mg of Suboxone intranasally again and probably feel near 100% if not 110%. If I can't sleep proper tonight I dunno what I'm gonna do. (I know this sounds like a walk in the park for some but you can read some of my earlier posts ive been battling with hardcore shit before, now I am just trying to do it SMART!)
So, my questions.
I know the 7 day rule for short acting opiods, for example, if we ruled 27th (the 02:00AM use) as my last day of using, I would still only be on 4th day todays morning, which would explain, because the 3rd night is always the worst and after that It should get easier. But if we take it as just 26ths off to sleep dose then It would have been 4th night already and my 5th day overall.
So, I did everything so perfectly In coming off Methadone (waiting times), waited almost full 48 hrs to come off 3MF, so why the fuck I can't sleep well?
I know people who just take Suboxone 2 days after finishing YEARS long of high dose Methadone maintenance tapered down to 30mL and they can sleep well & good first day.
And also, judging by the 7 day rule, I am for sure using the short taper, If I still can't sleep proper tonight I'm gonna dose 2mg tomorrow again, but If I can sleep I will reduce it to 1mg and so on.
Can I use Immodium with Suboxone, and if yes, If I want to improve my sleep should the Immodium be taken in the mornings or before sleep, and how much would be enough considering 1mg Suboxone gets me considerably well and 2mg near to 100%? (I have no complaints about how I feel daytime, just wondering about the half life of Immodium)
I am thinking of getting some Kvetipinor/Seroquel to knock me out, because even 8mg Clonazepam doesn't do shit. Tried it last or the night before that.
So people who have experience with benzos and Seroquel and such I would be thankful for an input, can I knock my self out with these or will it be the same as 8-10mg Clonazepam (although I almost never go over 2mg daily so I shouldnt have tolerance to it so big that it gives NO effect!)
Other than that my daily meds are just 2mg Clonazepam in the mornings, but Im slightly getting the feeling with this drug, that If you use It for everyday use, It keeps you calm and works wonders so you can't even feel the drug coming on because you are used to it. (the long half life too)
So It's like, If I take it, I don't feel anything, If I don't take it, I will start to feel nervous and shit after 24 hours into the benzo w/d... So maybe switch to Xanax temporarily although I think Seroquel would be a better idea if that would work.
A long piece of read but I would really appriciate anyones input, thanks!
So then, I woke up on the 27th, was positive that there couldn't be any methadone in my system, now just needed to get rid of the 3MF (which is extremely short acting opioid, although strong). While I was waiting for that I was on some Lyrica which helped wonderfully but the tolerance rises sky-high within a few days.
43,5 hours later, 28th january 9:30PM I did 1mg of Suboxone intranasally which worked wonders. And I felt OK, not good, but OK. Went to sleep, sleeping was bad (nothing as close to full w/d but just half awake, half asleep nightmares).
Next morning on the 29th around 9AM I did 1mg of Suboxone intranasally again, felt normal already. But the night was still bad, I feel chilled out and good during the day but just when I cover myself under that blanked my skin starts to get hot and I get switchy and unable to sleep.
Next morning on the 30th, around 9AM again, this time I did 2mg of Suboxone intranasally. Now I felt close to 100%, not high or anything but there definitely was some groove in my brain if you catch my drift. And at night, SAME SHIT!

This night I slept the worst!
Now It is the 31th, I am about to do 2mg of Suboxone intranasally again and probably feel near 100% if not 110%. If I can't sleep proper tonight I dunno what I'm gonna do. (I know this sounds like a walk in the park for some but you can read some of my earlier posts ive been battling with hardcore shit before, now I am just trying to do it SMART!)
So, my questions.
I know the 7 day rule for short acting opiods, for example, if we ruled 27th (the 02:00AM use) as my last day of using, I would still only be on 4th day todays morning, which would explain, because the 3rd night is always the worst and after that It should get easier. But if we take it as just 26ths off to sleep dose then It would have been 4th night already and my 5th day overall.
So, I did everything so perfectly In coming off Methadone (waiting times), waited almost full 48 hrs to come off 3MF, so why the fuck I can't sleep well?
I know people who just take Suboxone 2 days after finishing YEARS long of high dose Methadone maintenance tapered down to 30mL and they can sleep well & good first day.
And also, judging by the 7 day rule, I am for sure using the short taper, If I still can't sleep proper tonight I'm gonna dose 2mg tomorrow again, but If I can sleep I will reduce it to 1mg and so on.
Can I use Immodium with Suboxone, and if yes, If I want to improve my sleep should the Immodium be taken in the mornings or before sleep, and how much would be enough considering 1mg Suboxone gets me considerably well and 2mg near to 100%? (I have no complaints about how I feel daytime, just wondering about the half life of Immodium)
I am thinking of getting some Kvetipinor/Seroquel to knock me out, because even 8mg Clonazepam doesn't do shit. Tried it last or the night before that.
So people who have experience with benzos and Seroquel and such I would be thankful for an input, can I knock my self out with these or will it be the same as 8-10mg Clonazepam (although I almost never go over 2mg daily so I shouldnt have tolerance to it so big that it gives NO effect!)
Other than that my daily meds are just 2mg Clonazepam in the mornings, but Im slightly getting the feeling with this drug, that If you use It for everyday use, It keeps you calm and works wonders so you can't even feel the drug coming on because you are used to it. (the long half life too)
So It's like, If I take it, I don't feel anything, If I don't take it, I will start to feel nervous and shit after 24 hours into the benzo w/d... So maybe switch to Xanax temporarily although I think Seroquel would be a better idea if that would work.
A long piece of read but I would really appriciate anyones input, thanks!
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