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Suboxone is so hard to get off. But I finally did. Here’s how

Something reminds me of sales & marketing here, just reeks.. but I am on an afterglow from lsd/candyflip. Fuck AI & the government. I'm high. Anyhow,

I have been able to get my dose lower. The past 3-4years I never took more than 4mg sub, and would constantly stack opioids on top(waste, compulsive) or would skip sub dose days to take oxy/opioids.

I played kratom toss wash game before ever meeting subs back when I would be out & kicking. Helped a lot but not enough and had it's own withdrawal.

I finally after a good year or 2 at 1-2mg and the occasional 3mg+ I have realized the sub trap although it has saved me physically(&mentally) through all this.

Recently I have re introduced kratom, 7-hydroximytragyne has been great for skipping days but am careful of it's double side blade.

Cheers to the mother nature's plants being key once again on getting free buddy!
 
AlexPK said:
Wow. And here I thought I just liked drugs 🤣.

Very deep and thoughtful of you. Thank you so much for your insight. I work out every day but Sunday and have good relationships and family. My wife is very supportive at this point as well (thank God).

Sounds like I have a lot more to learn though. Congrats on getting clean yourself! And for dedicating your life to helping others. I’m already on a journey to get engaged in some sort of kratom advocacy. But I’m still a baby compared to so many. I am well intentioned and a hell of a salesman though. So I guess we’ll see. Thanks again for taking the time.
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We all start out as babies and grow into the elders that guide and look after the babies that follow.
 
Opana313 said:
Something reminds me of sales & marketing here, just reeks.. but I am on an afterglow from lsd/candyflip. Fuck AI & the government. I'm high. Anyhow,

I have been able to get my dose lower. The past 3-4years I never took more than 4mg sub, and would constantly stack opioids on top(waste, compulsive) or would skip sub dose days to take oxy/opioids.

I played kratom toss wash game before ever meeting subs back when I would be out & kicking. Helped a lot but not enough and had it's own withdrawal.

I finally after a good year or 2 at 1-2mg and the occasional 3mg+ I have realized the sub trap although it has saved me physically(&mentally) through all this.

Recently I have re introduced kratom, 7-hydroximytragyne has been great for skipping days but am careful of it's double side blade.

Cheers to the mother nature's plants being key once again on getting free buddy!
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I understood very little of what you said. But I think I got the idea 😁

Getting down to 1-2mg was big for me too. Nice work! I was mostly normal there, but not all the way. That’s why I wanted to push through. Good luck on your continued journey!
 
Continuing to improve. Spirits are up. But still not fully normal til I’ve had some kratom. Discouraged, but not the end of the world. Every time I effed up with suboxone it was because I tried to move too fast. Slow and steady wins the race on this one.

Anyone else here successfully get off bupe who is a year past it can toss me an expectation or two? My buddy who works in the field (again, great friend and only good intentions) who got me on bupe in the first place says he gets people off bupe all the time. I have a sneaking suspicion most of the people off bupe and no longer receiving his treatment only are because they’re back on opioids. Thoughts?
 
AlexPK said:
Appreciate the ideas. I was on bupe for less than a year, so hopefully PAWS doesn’t stick around for too long.
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I like to provide hope here. Growing up there was no term called PAWS for me years ago. People kicked and felt better. I always did. :) Then 30 years later I come upon terms like PAWS and HPPD on the internet and I am like glad that info was not around when I was younger. Let's face it, if people did not feel better after kicking whatever it is they are kicking nobody would ever kick anything. The body heals and balances.

About 3 months after kicking a massive poppy tea habit I went to Costa Rica in 2000 with 1000 hippies and saw String Cheese Incident. Tripped in the rain forest and had a total total blast. No PAWS. Just happy I had the strength to wrestle the bull to the ground and felt much stronger. That is why I say schedule a vacation when you feel better.

Yeah feel good about this. You sound like you are on your way to being happier.
 
JackARoe said:
I like to provide hope here. Growing up there was no term called PAWS for me years ago. People kicked and felt better. I always did. :) Then 30 years later I come upon terms like PAWS and HPPD on the internet and I am like glad that info was not around when I was younger. Let's face it, if people did not feel better after kicking whatever it is they are kicking nobody would ever kick anything. The body heals and balances.

About 3 months after kicking a massive poppy tea habit I went to Costa Rica in 2000 with 1000 hippies and saw String Cheese Incident. Tripped in the rain forest and had a total total blast. No PAWS. Just happy I had the strength to wrestle the bull to the ground and felt much stronger. That is why I say schedule a vacation when you feel better.

Yeah feel good about this. You sound like you are on your way to being happier.
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It's true - we can think our way into making it seem worse. Instead of fearing PAWS - re-conceptualizing it as your mind healing and rebalancing itself. It takes time. The avoidance of that process feeds the addiction. Sometimes we have to accept that there's no free lunch and that the work we can do to persevere is valuable in and of itself.
 
tryptakid said:
It's true - we can think our way into making it seem worse. Instead of fearing PAWS - re-conceptualizing it as your mind healing and rebalancing itself. It takes time. The avoidance of that process feeds the addiction. Sometimes we have to accept that there's no free lunch and that the work we can do to persevere is valuable in and of itself.
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And with that I reconceptualized my own healings. Most of those times I came out of addiction to a more normal free life. If a person kicks and still has to deal with a bad situation then the situation is still bad and it is not PAWS. Like someone living with abusive parents or spouse whose life legitimately sucks is back in a depressive situation. Who in their right mind would not be depressed?? So while I can say I always felt good we never know what another person's situation is. But honestly, that is not PAWS, that is still dealing with a crappy situation. But PAWS needs more definition. Is it a physical or mental thing. And if mental then maybe we have some power to do something.

HPPD. Ever since my first trip almost 48 years ago I see patterns on walls. I love it. Always loved that. Then years later I read on HPPD. And that scares people. The thing I loved scared others. Now it is possible the extent of HPPD is the issue. While I always see patterns in a dark room, I do not have blinding visual snow that I have read about. I guess that would be bad. It could be I do not have HPPD even though I always see patterns if I want. So I can leave that open to a legit issue if it is severe. To me I always said it is adding in seeing the stars AND constellations. Not just stars.
 
I’m not so much scared of PAWS. But I agree with you that my knowledge of its existence is certainly contributing to my current state.

Without sounding too silly, life is pretty good. My feelings of depression are not rational to my depressing circumstances. If I didn’t know what PAWS was, I’d probably have just assumed this is part of the process and fought through it quicker.

I just need to calm down, take the small wins as they come, and remember I’m not taking any bupe 😁

Again, really appreciate the time and thoughts here. You guys are awesome.
 
AlexPK said:
I’m not so much scared of PAWS. But I agree with you that my knowledge of its existence is certainly contributing to my current state.

Without sounding too silly, life is pretty good. My feelings of depression are not rational to my depressing circumstances. If I didn’t know what PAWS was, I’d probably have just assumed this is part of the process and fought through it quicker.

I just need to calm down, take the small wins as they come, and remember I’m not taking any bupe 😁

Again, really appreciate the time and thoughts here. You guys are awesome.
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Exactly - we can view things through the lens of pathology, or through the lens as process. Sometimes the process is painful but it is what facilitates growth. Sometimes pain can be part of joy. As addicts, we learn to avoid pain at all costs and through that, we stop growing and we stop feeling joy.
 
Yeah your teeth. This is main reason I have retreated back to intranasal. .5 every 24hrs-32hrs is now my current taper regimen. Great for me and still got some teeth..just alot of crowns and fillings. A nightmare. Otherwise I probably would stay on it forever no?
Tripping has been an immense help in all of this..most ppl do not trip to face addictive behavior nor while in serious tooth pain(prior to another dental visit).

Legit sat through scary difficult experiences all because the knowledge you're wrecking your own goddamn teeth and just the fact of my face being different(still have one un saveable going to have to get a true false there or for others over time) .threw me for a loop but realized all will work out. 🙃 but yeah still gots a sexy smile and feels like I'm sort of finally DONE with this addiction and to move on.. all I know is .5 eyeballed and snorting only being 50% bioavailability...has given me hope and courage.

Didn't mean to hijack but yeah suboxone fucking sucks, but godamn I really did need all these years with the maintenance just to get back home so to speak. Still no place like it, and still not entered that threshold..congrats on your freedom dawg!!!!
 
Opana313 said:
Yeah your teeth. This is main reason I have retreated back to intranasal. .5 every 24hrs-32hrs is now my current taper regimen. Great for me and still got some teeth..just alot of crowns and fillings. A nightmare. Otherwise I probably would stay on it forever no?
Tripping has been an immense help in all of this..most ppl do not trip to face addictive behavior nor while in serious tooth pain(prior to another dental visit).

Legit sat through scary difficult experiences all because the knowledge you're wrecking your own goddamn teeth and just the fact of my face being different(still have one un saveable going to have to get a true false there or for others over time) .threw me for a loop but realized all will work out. 🙃 but yeah still gots a sexy smile and feels like I'm sort of finally DONE with this addiction and to move on.. all I know is .5 eyeballed and snorting only being 50% bioavailability...has given me hope and courage.

Didn't mean to hijack but yeah suboxone fucking sucks, but godamn I really did need all these years with the maintenance just to get back home so to speak. Still no place like it, and still not entered that threshold..congrats on your freedom dawg!!!!
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Sounds like your journey is going in the right direction. Sorry it’s been a rough one. You’re super close. Keep it up!
 
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