• 💊 OTHER DRUGS 💊 Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Notable Threads 1 Notable Threads 2
    Dangerous Combos Addiction Support
    Emergency Services Benzo Guide v.1
    Addiction Stories Scary Case Studies
    Biology, Pharmacology & Drugs 101
  • Select Your Topic Then Scroll Down
    Alcohol Bupe Benzos
    Cocaine Heroin Opioids
    RCs Stimulants Misc
    Harm Reduction All Topics Gabapentinoids
    Tired of your habit? Struggling to cope?
    Want to regain control or get sober?
    Visit our Recovery Support Forums

Bupe Suboxone can ruin your life

PharmaTrain said:
Also I see your new to this platform. Get the facts straight before posting. We wouldn't want people thinking we are lying to hide a truth on another matter. It seems since I exposed the particles in the Suboxone film now were getting some odd if not iffy posts from new members... Just saying. If it makes me wonder others are wondering too. And what is this buying pills over the phone thing as you said? I never heard of this. Pill mills sure, scripts ok, dark web fine, street you know, but phone ordering???
Click to expand...
I think that dude was on one (a heavy one) and has some mental difficulties. Cause they're pushing a lot of misinformation as fact here.
 
PharmaTrain said:
Nobody likes going to a clinic everyday or even once a week in line with stinking, low down dirty bums who won't shower and that ask for change, ciggs and say things like " Yo I can hear that change jingling in your pocket, hook up a brother I be needing bus money".
Click to expand...
I'd just tell them to fuck off honestly. I never liked these kind of people. Like do I look like a freaking cigarette machine or ATM to you?!
 
Hexenstahl said:
I'd just tell them to fuck off honestly. I never liked these kind of people. Like do I look like a freaking cigarette machine or ATM to you?!
Click to expand...
Same here. I would say does my hat say the "house of bread" on it? The house of bread is a soup kitchen in the US. It seems they always ask the white people for money like I'm a bank or a money tree/vending machine. Glad to not be in that line anymore.
 
PharmaTrain said:
It seems they always ask the white people for money
Click to expand...
Because they've been brainwashed to believe that we are somehow "privileged" when we clearly are not. But I can tell you that a certain group of smallhat wearing goblins are privileged af but nobody likes to talk about that (which proves that they are privileged, otherwise they wouldn't be so afraid to name names). I wouldn't be even standing in that line if I was privileged lol...
 
hwbush336 said:
I'm going to tell you right now that FYNTINOL withdrawal is absolutely 100 times worse than SUBOXONE it's when someone has gone through no other withdrawal then SUBOXONE is why they feel it's the worse go do fyntinol for a year a gram a day and jump off and u tell. Me wats worse , I've jumped off both , jumped off 16 to 24 mg of subs and 2 grams of Fetty raw off the bric however raw it was anyway and NOGHT and day difference. I never puked once coming off subs I puked 24 hours straight Fetty withdrawal
Click to expand...
I rather be puking all day then sitting in the hell of a Suboxone withdrawal...At least the puking get some relief after each episode though its short and your busy doing something keeping your mind off the hell your going through...Never withdrawal from Fetty or even taken it for that matter but have cold turkey Suboxone and OXY no comfort meds str8 cold and I choose OXY and its not even close...Mad respect for you coming off Fetty and Suboxone cold turkey AND I'm sure fetty might be more violent but the constant and longer duration of Suboxone withdrawal is pure HELL...Not getting into a pissing contest over the harder withdrawal but Suboxone is no joke.
 
Suboxone saved my life for a short period of time before I had to taper off of it (god damn side effects). Wish I would have stayed on it longer as since I got tapered my addiction has only gotten stronger and stronger and I don't know how much fight I have left in me. There needs to be more access to Methadone clinics especially here in the Midwest. Closest one is a 2 hour drive. Or maybe Kadian or some other medication that can be prescribed. Shit I'd even take methadone if I could pick it up from the pharmacy. Anyway, Suboxone is a great tool and I think it gets demonized too much
 
mdmaxanaxketamine said:
Suboxone saved my life for a short period of time before I had to taper off of it (god damn side effects). Wish I would have stayed on it longer as since I got tapered my addiction has only gotten stronger and stronger and I don't know how much fight I have left in me. There needs to be more access to Methadone clinics especially here in the Midwest. Closest one is a 2 hour drive. Or maybe Kadian or some other medication that can be prescribed. Shit I'd even take methadone if I could pick it up from the pharmacy. Anyway, Suboxone is a great tool and I think it gets demonized too much
Click to expand...
If it works for drug addiction and possible overdose - ABSOLUTELY. I was taking a low dose for Treatment Resistant Depression and chronic pain and for the first few months everything was fine. Then literally overnight my whole body collapsed. Mentally and physically. One year later, still have no idea what went wrong?
 
Man67 said:
If it works for drug addiction and possible overdose - ABSOLUTELY. I was taking a low dose for Treatment Resistant Depression and chronic pain and for the first few months everything was fine. Then literally overnight my whole body collapsed. Mentally and physically. One year later, still have no idea what went wrong?
Click to expand...
I did notice it also had a good effect on my depression (I've heard it is a great anti-depressant but haven't looked much into it). No clue why that happened though, haven't really researched bupe too much other than when I was taking it and the only side effects I got was the gnarliest urinary retention ever. Even worse than when I would take 150mg oxy mixed with 50-100mg benadryl. Got no withdrawal personally tapering off so I guess I got lucky with the medication. I have heard a lot of horror stories like yours though and I guess everyone reacts different to medications. One medication that can save one persons life can destroy the others. Sorry I don't have much to add
 
Once heard ... :"the smarter one is ,trickier it is to let go of Heroin " (sth along those lines anyways ).
At the time we laughed it off and proceeded to routinely IV another speedball.
For some reason which evades me ,(and ) as hilarious as this may sound, all throughout the years ,specially when I find myself "struggling " with rehabs or simply wishing to humour others ,that phrase keeps popping back up. And ,alas ... I bump into this thread and proceed to read the comments ...it is indeed curious how proportionate your capacity to intellectualize your escapism is to the subsequent degree of effort which you will eventually go through in order to reconnect with who you are. Good stuff guys. Stay safe !
 
I tried to kick fentanyl many times. One try I used suboxone after 4 days of nothing and it didn't help. I kept puking and being sick with no sleep. Finally I stopped puking after 8 days and went into a treatment program. They let me rest for an additional week. I started eating again a little and even played volleyball and was moving around pretty good after 10 days or so. On day 15 I went to work (work therapy program?) After 2 hours of hard work I started puking up bile again and didn't stop until day 26 when I relapsed cuz I couldn't take it anymore. Another time I went 16 days without anything and my nerves all felt fried my skin felt like it had been scraped and I was super sensitive to heat and cold and smells. Fentanyl is pure evil. And there is no easy way to get off of it cuz methadone is almost as bad. I kicked methadone too, cold turkey. Went from 135mgs a day for a year and a half to zero overnight. I puked for 3 weeks. Didn't sleep or eat for almost 30 days. Although fentanyl was worse to me than methadone. Maybe because I was way older coming off fent. Opiates were called "God's Drug" back in the day. No way this shit is from God. Opiates and opioid are the Devil's Drugs for sure.
Frog Dreams said:
I'm not anti free speech. Quite the opposite.



I don't think it's wonderful when used as a recreational drug. It has ruined so many lives, including Matthew Perry's. There are so many people on this website that have struggled for years upon years with opioid addiction.

I put heroin up there with meth, not in terms of neurotoxicity obviously but in terms of the overall harm it does to people's lives.

In terms of overdose rates, opioids are responsible for a massive percent of total ODs.

The world would be better off without recreational opioid use.

You guys have made comparisons to alcohol.

What would you rather your sons/daughters/brothers/sisters/friends dabble with: alcohol or heroin?

I hope to God that my daughter never touches an opiate recreationally, whereas I'm sure I will have a glass of wine with her at some point when she's older.

It is downright irresponsible IMO to talk about opioids in such a positive way.



That has nothing to do with what I'm saying about opioid abuse.

I'm not spreading lies / misinformation.

Cannabis is relatively harmless; opioids are not.

I don't think anyone in this thread has even suggested that opioids are cardiotoxic.



It seems to me that the risks massively outweigh the rewards. Just look at OD rates in the US.

Beyond that, opioid users are (generally) fucking miserable. Being addicted to heroin is a nightmare. I've been there. I know. Every single person I know who has used H and managed to get off it swear they will never have it again. That's because of their experience, not because of conspiratorial lies perpetuated by mass media.



Heroin dealers have blood on their hands.

I find it perplexing how pro-drug people criticize big pharma yet defend H dealers.



There is obviously a bias here.



Let's not discourage heroin use at all. Let's not discourage people from using fentanyl. Let's not discourage people from using crack... because discouragement has zero effect?

There is no way to prove that. Seems like you just want to believe it.



Didn't say it was true all the time. I do, however, often read threads where there is zero effort to suggest that people stop using or reduce their usage.

We can minimize harm by advising how to safely use drugs AND discourage abuse that is likely to cause the user harm. Not saying the latter doesn't happen at all, it just strikes me that there are a lot of missed opportunities... and a lot of staff members have biases about certain drugs because they are in denial about their own usage history.



I don't think anyone on this thread has argued that opiates are cardiotoxic?
Click to expand...
 
gordonliddy said:
Yes.

Because I don't know your back story this advice is directed at pain sufferers in general.

Opiates should be IN FACT about the last thing you try for pain with the exception of emergency pain associated with sudden traumatic accidents, short term pain like somebody recovering from a surgery, or to prepare for surgery itself.

Especially the fact that your pain is chronic, the very first thing this tells me is that opiates are a MISERABLE choice for this. Endorphins (read: boring sweaty exercise) are the go to for this, because it's the chemical (or rather, the entire complex class of chemicals) for which the rest of your complex brain metabolism is meant to work. Nothing will ever work better on your brain.

If exercise proves inadequate, opiates aren't even your next choice, assuming chronic pain. Then your next one will be something like acupuncture, reiki, diet, sleep, homoepeathy, Chinese medicine, herbal medicine. Which will take years to explore.

Even having exhausted these possibilities, which have been documented to rival opiates for pain management in terms of efficacy, your next stop still won't be opiates...next it's the safer drugs like caffeine, asperin.

In fact opiates only really becomes interesting in the case of people, again assuming chronic pain, that are in so much pain that they are having trouble sleeping.
Because otherwise desensitising you to the pain is actually counterproductive. It is focus that provides relief from pain. Numbness is a hackish way to go about it.
This is for people with war injuries, farm injuries, sever cancers, ....things that most of us won't get except near the end of our life.

But even that doesn't make sense, because after a few nights without sleep you go insane. And insanity generally blocks pain.

So no, unless you're a war veteran. Or unless your wife was in the same car accident as your best friend and your dog. Or unless you just got stabbed in the eye last night I'm afraid opiates are actually a terrible choice for long term pain management. Having gone the insanity route myself, I'd rather go through that again if I get another injury than deal with the actual side effects of opiate use which you list as anxiety and yes...pain, to which I'll add constipation, itchy skin and societal judgement? Choose life.
Click to expand...
“Exercise” and chinese medicine and aculpinture for debilitating chronic pain without the help of painkillers. its just a tool to help people get through this life with a little dignity and enjoyment. The main issue is when everyone gets all crazy and cuts people off and labels everyone junkies. Some people have to get out of bed at 430 am and throw their bodies into physically demanding jobs to keep this modern world moving and smoothly paved with concrete. I bet you sit down all day for work. Factor in a lot of us cant go to acupuncture and take hours and weeks off of work to do this stuff. Relativity is a real thing.
 
I will say Suboxone did help me, made me able to stop spending massive amounts of money and withdrawaling all the time from oxy 80's years ago. I will also say I wish the Dr's were more focused on just prescribing it short term and weaning off quickly. The Drs I went to seemed to want me on it forever, more scripts they wrote the better for them. I finally had enough and tapered myself off, but I was deeply motivated to.
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
Suboxone hasn't ruined my life.



Not being able to access legal diacetylmorphine & equally potent full agonists is what's "ruined" my life.
Click to expand...
Exactly my dude. "There is a time for everything " and quitting full agonist Opiates (or , even better ,in my case Speedballing ) for any other reason other than it being the "right " time = "Ruined life " . You can´t just circumvent that .
 
gordonliddy said:
Yes, but if you're using opiates to get high or to treat 'depression', then you're a junkie. Sorry if I was unclear!
Click to expand...
All new "groundbreaking" medication for Treatment Resistant Depression is based on opiates. MDMA, Ketamine, M. Mushrooms... I am talking about legal and very expensive treatments.
 
Smuck_Hey_Dee_Hewitt said:
Exactly my dude. "There is a time for everything " and quitting full agonist Opiates (or , even better ,in my case Speedballing ) for any other reason other than it being the "right " time = "Ruined life " . You can´t just circumvent that .
Click to expand...
Very true.

Making some one quit when they aren't ready is just asking for failure.
 
Man67 said:
All new "groundbreaking" medication for Treatment Resistant Depression is based on opiates. MDMA, Ketamine, M. Mushrooms... I am talking about legal and very expensive treatments.
Click to expand...

Thank you for your response.

Do you mean that all (relatively untested, generally redundant) medication for depression is based upon opiates, in the same way that all of the wonderful chemicals that the Sackler family got us hooked on were based upon opiates, in the same way that all of the wonderful chemicals that some of us love so much that are coming in from Mexico are based upon opiates (and/or methamphetamine) in the same way that all of the dope that doctor's used to get rich Victorian women hooked on was based upon opiates?

You're probably right. Hey listen, if you can take care of the compliance paperwork for me and get me a room full of impressionable/moody (and therefore normal) teenagers, you and I can legally make a fortune. We'll convince the kids that they are 'depressed' and that something is wrong with them. Next we can just give them some form of legal dope and then PRESTO! They are customers for life. But don't worry if they don't start off depressed in our program they soon will be.

Sorry if I sound sarcastic. I'm 80% joking.

My humble opinion, based upon nothing at all (I don't actually know that many dope fiends, to be super honest) is that like a good 20% - 30% of people using opiates are deliberately trying to ruin their life (example: people on the punk rock music scene). Meanwhile a good 15% to 45% (I don't really know) of dope fiends are dealing with some kind of trauma so bad (remember, that there are people on Bluelight who had the good fortune to get raped by BOTH of their parents growing up) that I myself would feel bad not hooking them up...and like out of the remainder I'd have to guess that it's maybe an even split between people from the party scene that took a wrong turn and people that (yes, I'm not kidding) actually had a minor surgery or something and the doctor prescribed the wrong thing. Now hooked for life.

I can't imagine that you'd imagine that my opinion on all of this would be worthwhile, given that I have already admitted that I know practically nothing about dope. But here you have it. The only two drugs that I would actually, actually ban have one thing in common:

meth
dope

...that when you hang out with old drug heads, none of their meth or dope stories involve anything fun. At all. I wouldn't even ban coke or LSD (although I loathe acid) because actually MOST people's acid/coke/alcohol stories involve mostly fun stuff most of the time. Really I don't like any of those drugs. I'm a weed/molly/caffeine guy.

Sorry if this sounds like an angry post. I only make angry posts in the anti-war threads. I can laugh about all of this if you can laugh about all of this. ...won't any long term dope heads pop in to point out to the new kids that...yes, dope (or let's be truthful, problems associated with dope) have screwed up their life?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top