Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v17.0 + v18.0

[Eveleivibe]

Quick question.

According to my calculations, and counting the half-life of Suboxone at 36hrs, I've reached the conclusion that I will have roughly .3 mg of Suboxone active in my system tomorrow morning. Even if I count that this is off by .2 in either direction, so anywhere from .5mg to .1mg, my question is, is this enough to block an IV opiate dose?

.5 mg definitely seems like it could be enough to block opiates, but .3 or less? I'm just not sure. What do you guys think?

What do you mean by "block?" Block withdrawal symptoms? Block cravings? Or block opiates from working ie giving you a high?

Please tell us which you mean because different doses work for different things.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

He is asking if .3-.5mg's will block the high from opiates..

 

[BlueHues]

If it's decent heroin IVd, it takes at least 4 mgs taken within the last 24 hours to block it. You should have no problems.

It's strange though, the experience of having suboxone block a shot of heroin. It's like you shoot it, and just as it starts to hit you, the bupe just pushes it away...oral pills you won't even feel anything.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

Yeah it does feel pretty weird shooting up on high doses of suboxone. You get no rush, just like this slight warmth, but a very different euphoria. It's odd. It also feels different than shooting up through a methadone block.

 

[BlueHues]

^I don't think methadone truly blocks like bupe does, it just saturates the receptors, so to feel anything, you have to do the equivalent ofa higher dose of heroin.

 

[jordanjg99]

No drug testing questions - Tommyboy

 

[PKPro]

Thanks. I was thinking if someone was to miss the vein could it not be dangerous ? If I have this wrong I apologise. I know nothing of IVing , was going by what I have heard from others n was concerned that someone, naive to shooting, may try it n get it wrong, miss a vein, shoot too much n OD ( someone told me there's more chance of OD woth shooting).

Like I say if I have this information wrong I sincerely apologise. Just explain why I was thinking along the lines of harm reduction xxxx

If someone were to miss a vein then they most definitely should NOT be shooting... period. not anything. never. Yes if you miss you will sorely regret it, but i don't think anyone could bear the stinging pain of missing, i know for a fact that if you are missing you will STOP IMMEDIATELY before barely any gets in due to the pain you experience. (especially if its Zubsolv which would probably be worse thanks to the menthol.) I have never heard of someone with an opiate tolerance ODing on Bupe... but then again i may be wrong. Less is more remember?

In MY opinion, they know that people will abuse it n they have already to to stop people from abusing it n yet people still did so I 'm assuming they're thinking along the lines of harm reduction. They're obviously not going to state this as it would encourage lots more people to shoot up but that probably is the real reason.

I highly doubt that Evel... think about it. if i was a pharma company, i would MOST DEFINITELY try to make my stuff abuse proof. thats just the way it works. No Pharma company wants you banging their pills. Not in their right mind, if anything its a mistake. In the case of zubsolv, i blame the easiness of banging it to the way they designed it for quick dissolve. The cuts staying behind is just a bonus, its probably cornstarch or talc. Im sure if i heated it (DO NOT HEAT SUB OR ZUB WHEN BANGING) more of it would dissolve leaving much less cut in the cooker after filtering.

If it tests positive for suboxone just say you were having intense craving so took a sub to stop them. You won't get sent to jail for that, would you?????

That would definitely not work, in a halfway house you're fucked if you test positive for ANY substance. If you do not have a script for it, you are not allowed to use it. And i'd say that 99.9 people in those houses do not have anything of the sort. Its the biggest no no. Is it different where you live? Here in the U.S. you're S.O.L. if you test positive in a halfway house. (i know, i had buddies in them, and still do)

.5 mg definitely seems like it could be enough to block opiates, but .3 or less? I'm just not sure. What do you guys think?

I once got high on oxys while on a whole 8mg of Sub back before i started banging. i waited 24 hours, then snorted 60mg of Roxicodone. (2 blueberries as we call them here in NC) I felt 80% of it. Guaranteed. Good luck! (Be SAFE)

 

[Eveleivibe]

Ah thanks for clearing that up, PKPro. So people don 't tend to have scripts in half way houses? Sorry I'm not familiar with them tbh. But thanks for correctly me xxxx

 

[PKPro]

They do, but (99+% of the time) they do not allow maintenance drugs. Their prescriptions are usually non-addictive, non-narcotic medications.

 

[BlueHues]

There's some that allow maintenance meds, but most don't....Yeah, they all talk about "being powerless", "relapse is part of recovery", but fuck up once and they're on the phone to your probation officer, calling them to take you back to prison!

Some places will put it to a vote by the other people you're in there with, but if they let you stay it's like you're the scum of the earth...Places like that are why drug diversion can be worse than prison!

 

[Eveleivibe]

That sounds horrific. I'm really shocked. Mind you I don't really
That system really as my addiction was codeine as most know on here. But I would think people need help not jail or punishments like this. I find this truly sad. In my opinion, it shouldn't be a war on drugs, it should a fight against addiction. Its a lot about what goes on in the mind n these people need help not treated like criminal or bad people lovked up or put in houses like this. I dunno it's just wrong somehow...

 

[PKPro]

^ i used to bang heroin and i avoided it too.... just depends on your state, circumstances... etc... i was lucky enough to have loving and understanding parents who took me to a Dr. and now i go there bi-weekly to get tested and talk etc... and get my script at the end. not everyones as fortunate as i made out to be though... I'd DIE at NA or a halfway house. i wouldn't be able to bare all the crap. i'm coin just fine on my own, takin my meds, and talking to my blue lighters when i have a problem. and its working JUST FINE. no need for all that judgmental shit.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

There's some that allow maintenance meds, but most don't....Yeah, they all talk about "being powerless", "relapse is part of recovery", but fuck up once and they're on the phone to your probation officer, calling them to take you back to prison!

Some places will put it to a vote by the other people you're in there with, but if they let you stay it's like you're the scum of the earth...Places like that are why drug diversion can be worse than prison!

Yeah programs like that really are ridiculous. They claim they want to treat you and get you better, but then when you relapse (a symptom of addiction) they wanna throw you out or send you to jail. That's like.. a person diagnosed with depression in a program to help treat it, says they feel like killing themselves, so they get kicked out... hah. That's what your supposed to be in treatment for.. to help with those things. It's so idiotic.

 

[phoeski]

wondered if anyone could give my some advice here.
im @ ~3mg-4mg IV sub per day. ( i know its stupid to iv it but i use micron filters and my shots arent even orange when im done with it. had to get that out of the way) i need to lower my dose im thinking that since i dont use 4mg consistently. starting now im just going to 2mg per day. i dont have much in the way of obligation right now so if im going to feel semi shitty this is my window.
my question is after about 2 weeks 2 2mg/day im going to go right down to one and do kind of a rapid taper. i know slower is better but im not in a clinic so i need to take the hand im dealt. how long would would one stay @ 1mg before being able to jump off, a month, two months? im just ready to stop all this. i dont feel like i need the crutch anymore. its so shady to buy opiates in my state right now its insane.
its not the cost or the trouble its just that i think im ready to put it behind me. i have my 30mg a day valium script supplemented with etizolam. im kicking myself in the ass now that i got into bupe its a savior and took me outta the worst time in my life. but the long half life is such a bummer.

anything anyone wants to say you can PM me or post in here i check pretty often,
thankS BL.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

You do not want to jump off at 1mg IV... That is a ton of bupe. You'll be in for some serious pain if you plan on stopping at that level.

If you really want to stop.. switch to sublingual administration, find your dose, then taper from there until you get to .25 and then stop.

 

[Ziggy stardust]

^^

You do not want to jump off at 1mg IV... That is a ton of bupe. You'll be in for some serious pain if you plan on stopping at that level.

If you really want to stop.. switch to sublingual administration, find your dose, then taper from there until you get to .25 and then stop.

Great advice...even jumping from .25mg is uncomfortable for a few weeks. Lethargy and poor sleep is the thing that really hangs on..

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

Yeah. Unfortunately, you can't get away with it being painless. You're always going to have to deal with some level of withdrawals and general being uncomfortable but... you can definitely make a big difference in how bad it will be.

 

[BlueHues]

Yeah programs like that really are ridiculous. They claim they want to treat you and get you better, but then when you relapse (a symptom of addiction) they wanna throw you out or send you to jail. That's like.. a person diagnosed with depression in a program to help treat it, says they feel like killing themselves, so they get kicked out... hah. That's what your supposed to be in treatment for.. to help with those things. It's so idiotic.

That depression analogy is so perfect..."Yes, we want to help you with your depression and thoughts of suicide! What? You wanna kill yourself?! Well, we tried to help you, you're on your own!"

The only lame excuse most of these treatment centers have is something like, "Before you came into treatment, you were using everyday and you were "powerless", but now that you've been in treatment for the past week, you're no longer "powerless", it's you, not your disease deciding to use today! Therefore, it's your fault, get the fuck out!

Basically, the logic is that before you go to rehab, its like you're possessed by demons that are making you get high, but the second that you cross the threshold of the door to rehab, that rule no longer applies...There's so many contradictions of rules and philosophy going on, I don't even think the people running the rehabs could actually justify it!

But if you try to question anything, guess what? "That's your disease talking, get the fuck out! There's no place in recovery for logic and rational thought!"

 

[Predecessor]

What would be a safe/fun dose of a sub strip for someone with zero opiate tolerance?... Literally no opiates in the last 6 months.... I'm thinking 2.5 mg + 1ml alcohol under the tongue ?

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

That depression analogy is so perfect..."Yes, we want to help you with your depression and thoughts of suicide! What? You wanna kill yourself?! Well, we tried to help you, you're on your own!"

The only lame excuse most of these treatment centers have is something like, "Before you came into treatment, you were using everyday and you were "powerless", but now that you've been in treatment for the past week, you're no longer "powerless", it's you, not your disease deciding to use today! Therefore, it's your fault, get the fuck out!

Basically, the logic is that before you go to rehab, its like you're possessed by demons that are making you get high, but the second that you cross the threshold of the door to rehab, that rule no longer applies...There's so many contradictions of rules and philosophy going on, I don't even think the people running the rehabs could actually justify it!

But if you try to question anything, guess what? "That's your disease talking, get the fuck out! There's no place in recovery for logic and rational thought!"

Yeah exactly. And people wonder why the majority of rehab relapse rates are over 90%..

What would be a safe/fun dose of a sub strip for someone with zero opiate tolerance?... Literally no opiates in the last 6 months.... I'm thinking 2.5 mg + 1ml alcohol under the tongue ?

I'd start with .5-1mg. It is more euphoric in low doses because that's where the metabolite norbuprenorphine is active. At lower doses like that, bupe acts much more like a full agonist.

It's also a very powerful drug, and I've seen people without opiate tolerances get totally rocked off of a tiny piece. So, start slow and work up if need be, because you don't wanna end up puking your guts out.