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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v17.0 + v18.0

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BlueHues said:
Cold without opiates, pacing the hallways wrapped in a blanket in a cold sweat! Ahhh, detox memories...;)
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Noooooooooo! This, and feeling cold from the inside out; cold in my bones. All the while, sweating and popping alleve and tylenol to try and stop the chills...

When I think about all that, it renews my gratitude for bupe.
 
Eveleivibe said:
Just realise I have only taken 8 mg instead of 12 mg for last few days. Is that why I've been feeling irritable today n like I can't be bothered doing anything. I didn't realise i hadn't taken 12 mg....

In fact I feel kinda flat today.
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=\ I can skip my doses for 48 hours before feeling any negative effects...
 
Eveleivibe said:
Just realise I have only taken 8 mg instead of 12 mg for last few days. Is that why I've been feeling irritable today n like I can't be bothered doing anything. I didn't realise i hadn't taken 12 mg....

In fact I feel kinda flat today.
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With such a long half-life, and the build up of it in your system, it's highly doubtful that only dropping from 12-8 a couple days is going to leave a noticeable effect. In fact, most people report no real noticeable changes from even high doses of bupe like 24mg's down to 4-2mg's.
 
It wasn't anythi(ng major just was in one hell of a stinking mood. If anyone annoyed me today they got. This has been happening since Thursday n I had forgotten to take the extra 4 mg in the evening. I realised when I checked my tabs n obviously there was extra. Today I just did not want to do anything - I was obsessive, angry, felt felt, stayed in my dressing gown - exactly how I acted when I was on 8 mg (of course I didn't realize at the time I had not taken the extra 4 mg) which is how I know this isn't a placebo thing. I'm scared sh****less of coming off suboxone - not because of the physical but because of the physiological. I got addicted to codeine to stop the anger, feeling left out n lonely as well as a load of other negative feelings of me I am trying to change. What is I give up suboxone n stay angry, depressed n lonely I'd rather die than go through that again. I don't know how to come off suboxone. Even in counselling I say whatever to please the counsellor just to get out of there. Why can't I just stay on suboxone. It's all too hard... and I feel like no one cares at all, they all think I'm just after attention I'm not I want some understanding but because I was only addicted to codeine I won't get that :(
 
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anyway, dropping from 12-8MG in the bupe world is not that much of a drop. also, you've been on this dosage for a bit now, you should try and stay head of the Dr. I always try and stay 4MG ahead of what my Dr. prescribes. this way I will always have extra if a tough time were to come; and I also want to be the shot caller in this relationship and not have my life dependent upon this Dr. I hate hearing my bupe Dr. talk about addiction as if he truly knows all. kills me when people say that but they have never been down that road.

my advice to any/everyone on bupe - always stay ahead of your Dr. as of now my Dr. has me on 12MG/day and I am taking between 4-6MG tops. my dosage has always been in the morning and continues down that path.
 
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Eveleivibe said:
It wasn't anythi(ng major just was in one hell of a stinking mood. If anyone annoyed me today they got. This has been happening since Thursday n I had forgotten to take the extra 4 mg in the evening. I realised when I checked my tabs n obviously there was extra. Today I just did not want to do anything - I was obsessive, angry, felt felt, stayed in my dressing gown - exactly how I acted when I was on 8 mg (of course I didn't realize at the time I had not taken the extra 4 mg) which is how I know this isn't a placebo thing. I'm scared sh****less of coming off suboxone - not because of the physical but because of the physiological. I got addicted to codeine to stop the anger, feeling left out n lonely as well as a load of other negative feelings of me I am trying to change. What is I give up suboxone n stay angry, depressed n lonely I'd rather die than go through that again. I don't know how to come off suboxone. Even in counselling I say whatever to please the counsellor just to get out of there. Why can't I just stay on suboxone. It's all too hard... and I feel like no one cares at all, they all think I'm just after attention I'm not I want some understanding but because I was only addicted to codeine I won't get that :(
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I think that the odd thing is that even at 8mg you are on a way higher dose than what you were on with the codeine, so you would think that whatever negative feelings the codeine eliminated would be more than suppressed by the suboxone.
 
Eveleivibe said:
It wasn't anythi(ng major just was in one hell of a stinking mood. If anyone annoyed me today they got. This has been happening since Thursday n I had forgotten to take the extra 4 mg in the evening. I realised when I checked my tabs n obviously there was extra. Today I just did not want to do anything - I was obsessive, angry, felt felt, stayed in my dressing gown - exactly how I acted when I was on 8 mg (of course I didn't realize at the time I had not taken the extra 4 mg) which is how I know this isn't a placebo thing. I'm scared sh****less of coming off suboxone - not because of the physical but because of the physiological. I got addicted to codeine to stop the anger, feeling left out n lonely as well as a load of other negative feelings of me I am trying to change. What is I give up suboxone n stay angry, depressed n lonely I'd rather die than go through that again. I don't know how to come off suboxone. Even in counselling I say whatever to please the counsellor just to get out of there. Why can't I just stay on suboxone. It's all too hard... and I feel like no one cares at all, they all think I'm just after attention I'm not I want some understanding but because I was only addicted to codeine I won't get that :(
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Evel, I don't mean any disrespect, but you should not even be anywhere near the dose you are using at the moment. I am in no way downplaying your addiction, but codeine is NOTHING compared to bupe. You really gotta start putting the idea in your head that it may just be your mind fucking with you, that maybe, just maybe, you're over-compensating and your severe fear of being off opiates is taking a toll on your psyche. You need to start taking control, it's all mind over matter. 4mg of bupe would, scratch that, SHOULD be more than enough for your habit. Remember the conversions we discussed a while back? Buprenorphine is so much stronger than codeine... I mean, you can't even compare them. Once you understand that, you'll be in a much better situation. So to recap:
1. You're taking significantly more bupe than you really need (recall our equianalgesic conversions from codeine --> bupe)
1a. Even though you may think you need more, you really don't, and don't use your doctor approving you as a backup argument. Bupe doctors over prescribe all the time. It's a money thing.
2. Start understanding that you can beat this, that you are over compensating, and that it's all in your head. Which means you can control it.

Now to wrap up, have you ever considered that you may need benzos to help with your treatment. I understand that opiates help with anxiety etc, but that's not their intended use. You should consider dropping your dose of bupe, and picking up benzos as a part of your treatment as it seems you have some anxiety/confidence/anger issues. Talk to a psychologist, (s)he will be able to help diagnose you.

I truly wish you the best of luck,
-PKP
 
Evey,

Sorry to hear that you are going through it right now with suboxone. Listen:

The unfortunate reality here is that you have augmented your opiate addiction by being on suboxone. And trying to treat your anxiety/depression with Suboxone is a dangerous, unnecessary path to go down. Suboxone is a superficial aid. Go to a psych doc and discuss some of the reasons why you gravitated towards codeine in the first place, and why choose to take suboxone (aside from the fear of withdrawl.) The doctor will surely have a wealth of advice for you in terms of medication, therapy, and rehabilitation, that would be best for you, your health, and for your daughter's future.

You might need of other medications to help you feel healthy and free; taking extraordinarily high doses of Suboxone isnt the solution. Presently you are taking a higher dose of suboxone than most heroin users. I know from experience that you can drop from 8 to 4 mgs with only the slightest amount of discomfort (if any). Try it for a few days. You may be surprised at how much better you feel energy-wise, and mood-wise, and how much sharper your brain is. With suboxone, less is truly more.

Every single word of this comes from a place of concern, not judgement. I have been on Suboxone for a few years and have studied it extensively, and have been in groups with others who have taken the medication for years as well. It is from from that experience and knowledge that I share these suggestions to you.

Whichever way you decide to go forward with your treatment and health, I wish you mental tranquility and peace. If you ever want to talk about suboxone, recovery, or anything in between, don't hesitate to pm me. I've been there.

Peace,
-Zwanya
 
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Is the taste of Suboxone tablets really that bad to some people? I mean I'm not in love with it, but I find it fairly tolerable. Try eating some ground up kratom powder and then you will know what 'awful' tastes like.
 
So I could be wrong but I'm assuming/calculating that 1mg IV bupe is equal to about 3mg sublingual bupe yes?

If so, if I were to get down to .0833mg IV and jumped off at that point, would it be equal to jumping off at .25mg sublingual?
 
^well wikipedia claims the SL BA for bupe to be 55%, but this study - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9048270 - seems to indicate around 30% (+/- 10). So I would say that is a fairly accurate equation.

Interesting to note some other findings in that study. Like how the difference from 3 and 5 minutes of sublingual administration was negligible and how between 52-55% of dose is contained in saliva after 2-, 5- and 10- minutes SL'd. Makes me wonder if I am just wasting a lot of time holding it in my mouth for 10-15 minutes each time.
 
So this may have already been asked/answered but I can't find it using the search engine, but has the "less is more" theory with Buprenorphine been proven? Or is it still just that, a theory?
 
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There is no way that with the half life of bupe being so long, the build up of it in your system, that only dropping from 12-8mg's gave you physical withdrawals. No way. Bupe does not work that way.

You are literally making yourself sick both mentally and physically to justify to us and to yourself, that you should be on a high dose of suboxone. It's really insane.
 
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