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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v17.0 + v18.0
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Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
Yeah it's different for everyone in that way. I've always had a very fast metabolism, and could get high again basically at 100%, sometimes even 12 hours after taking a moderate dose of bupe. That stuff burned through my system pretty quickly.
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
Didn't know this but suboxone is a blocker so I could imagine that ziggy is right. I didn 't want to say anything as I have not not taken those opiates. I would say wait until next day. Also a good idea would be to research suboxone n it's half life.
Evey x
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
^^
You didn't know bupe blocked other opiates and you've been on suboxone this long?
You didn't know bupe blocked other opiates and you've been on suboxone this long?
I should rephrase what I just wrote, I would try to wait 24 hours. Like if you took the last Sub dose this morning, then I would probably try to knock myself out at around 10p with some type of sleep med, whatever the strongest I had available. By the time I wake up I'd be good to go.
Thing is its really hard to judge when you took big doses like that. The stuff wears off faster than the actual half life, that is for sure, so don't just assume you gotta wait X half lives to get to Y dosage in your system. I know if I took 4 mg one morning I would not feel like I had taken 2 mg the next morning, and 24 hours is the low end of the half life.
Thing is its really hard to judge when you took big doses like that. The stuff wears off faster than the actual half life, that is for sure, so don't just assume you gotta wait X half lives to get to Y dosage in your system. I know if I took 4 mg one morning I would not feel like I had taken 2 mg the next morning, and 24 hours is the low end of the half life.
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
Who are you talking to, Mr,scag? Most people know that suboxone blocks opiates - that's the point of suboxone. I was trying to explain to certain people that I was not sure the difference in blpcking affects for different opiates n said wait til others post. I hope I did not do the wrong thing?
Evey x
Thing is its really hard to judge when you took big doses like that. The stuff wears off faster than the actual half life, that is for sure, so don't just assume you gotta wait X half lives to get to Y dosage in your system. I know if I took 4 mg one morning I would not feel like I had taken 2 mg the next morning, and 24 hours is the low end of the half life.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the advice guys. I went with the minority of you and went ahead and tried it. To my surprise, 16mg dilaudid insufflated did the job. It was perhaps 20% weaker than normal (my normal dose is 12mg, and this feels like maybe 13mg), so I guess I do have a fast metabolism. I had conjectured that was the case since I can take a sub 12 hours after opioids and not have precip wds.
By the way, you're not helping me relapse seriously or get hooked, I've been doing opiates on and off for 5 years and I use lyrica (prescribed) 24 days out of the month to control my cravings but once in a while I like to binge just long enough to have fun without wd. However that doesn't always go as planned, & I would not mind getting a suboxone prescription. 8mg works well as an antidepressant and it would keep me functional and those around me happy. I've been addicted (oxy/morphine/dilaudid/methadone) for up to 3 months (few years ago), and since then I've gone through mild WD maybe 15 times after 7-25 day binges, but I am not currently dependent. I've been addicted often enough that 3 days of solid use leaves me with mild typical wd symptoms for 2 or 3 days.
Do those who are currently prescribed subs think I'd be a candidate? Also, I've heard it's quite expensive. I have health insurance, but is that true?
Sorry for digressing, but I figure this is probably the place to ask these questions.
Thanks again
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bukweat
Bluelighter
Man, if I were using those d's would have went in my arm, not up my nose. Shame.
Sure you'd be. It really helps if you've got a desire to quit. Anyway, it would be a step in the right direction. Kinda mitigate your use.
Sure you'd be. It really helps if you've got a desire to quit. Anyway, it would be a step in the right direction. Kinda mitigate your use.
Ziggy stardust
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Thanks for the advice guys. I went with the minority of you and went ahead and tried it. To my surprise, 16mg dilaudid insufflated did the job. It was perhaps 20% weaker than normal (my normal dose is 12mg, and this feels like maybe 13mg), so I guess I do have a fast metabolism. I had conjectured that was the case since I can take a sub 12 hours after opioids and not have precip wds.
By the way, you're not helping me relapse seriously or get hooked, I've been doing opiates on and off for 5 years and I use lyrica (prescribed) 24 days out of the month to control my cravings but once in a while I like to binge just long enough to have fun without wd. However that doesn't always go as planned, & I would not mind getting a suboxone prescription. 8mg works well as an antidepressant and it would keep me functional and those around me happy. I've been addicted (oxy/morphine/dilaudid/methadone) for up to 3 months (few years ago), and since then I've gone through mild WD maybe 15 times after 7-25 day binges, but I am not currently dependent. I've been addicted often enough that 3 days of solid use leaves me with mild typical wd symptoms for 2 or 3 days.
Do those who are currently prescribed subs think I'd be a candidate? Also, I've heard it's quite expensive. I have health insurance, but is that true?
Sorry for digressing, but I figure this is probably the place to ask these questions.
Thanks again
There's no problem taking sub after other opiates as long as you don't have a steady habit. The problem of PW happens when you have a SAO/meth habit and sub rips the stronger opiate off the receptor and replaces it with weak sub...then your sick!
As far as being a candidate for sub...I'm not the person to ask. It just took me three yrs to wiggle free of opiates after decades of use. Signing up for that shit (opiate addiction) just seems like vollenteered slavery to me.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
legit question. why do you post on a message board? why are you so nervous and closed? why do you speak the way you do and not speak like a actual individual? why is everything asked a question? you need to not worry about message boards as much as worrying about "addiction". its funny in ways; maybe only to me.
I doubt that she will ever be able to get high off of codeine again after being on bupe for a while. Even after a long break she might be able to get high once or twice, but since her tolerance is so high right now even after a long break it would only take a few uses before tolerance goes right back up there.
It's like any other opiate tolerance. Once it's up there that becomes the standard, and yes it will go down after a long break, but then right back up if you continue to use. Like for me my tolerance will always start out at around 90mg of oxycodone now. After a very long break I can get high off of 60mg of oxycodone, but the time after that I will need 90mg, and if I were to keep it to once a week after that my tolerance would stay at around 90mg.
I'm not sure why he put you on 8mg, but as for the 12mg didn't you complain to him about still feeling cravings at the 8mg dose?
Captain, IIRC you were always against alcohol. Did you only start using it when you got off of bupe?
Dilaudid, oxymorphone (opana), fentanyl, and sometimes even really good dope will all break through the buprenorphine wall especially if you IV it (which would be your best bet if trying to catch a buzz) all that matters is that you have enough, and that you're atleast under 6mg of buprenorphine in your system. I've seen this first hand. I've even experienced it first hand. It works.
It can be extra dangerous doing this though since you may be pumping more and more of the drug into your system, and when it finally breaks through it may be too much for you.
BlueHues
Bluelighter
I use around 4 mgs a day every day, and IVing 3 bags of heroin 12 hours after my last dose and I didn't even notice the suboxone. But after using about 18 bags over 3 days, it took me 4 days to feel somewhat normal on the Sub again.
Although, I've had times where 4 mgs did block a lot of the high. I think it really depends on the strength of the dope.
After how I felt only getting high 3 days, feeling like killing myself...having incredibly morbid thoughts about the futility of life in general, I can't even imagine how he's gonna feel doing 70 bags a day.
Still, I have a beautiful girlfriend and a pretty decent life out here, but part of me wants to just shoot dope every single day!
Although, I've had times where 4 mgs did block a lot of the high. I think it really depends on the strength of the dope.
After how I felt only getting high 3 days, feeling like killing myself...having incredibly morbid thoughts about the futility of life in general, I can't even imagine how he's gonna feel doing 70 bags a day.
Still, I have a beautiful girlfriend and a pretty decent life out here, but part of me wants to just shoot dope every single day!
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
Yeah you really have to be careful trying to blast through a blockade like that. I've seen some bad shit happen to people who have tried in the past.
BlueHues
Bluelighter
^Yeah, especially on a higher dose like 8+ mgs. Even if you don't feel like the drugs are doing anything, you can still fall unconscious and stop breathing. I've almost done myself in trying to cut through higher doses.
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
^^
Yeah respiratory depression can be taking place even if you don't "feel" high.
Yeah respiratory depression can be taking place even if you don't "feel" high.
So if on a low dose of sub ~1mg a day. Is it dangerous to take a normal dose of oxycodone to get high still? Someone said that it's easier to OD since you are trying to get high, but don't feel high, and have more than the normal amount of opiates in your bloodstream. (even though they are being blocked to some degree) They said that there is a greater chance of respiratory depression due to combination. But receptors are being blocked and not fully antagonized.. Was this information told to me false?
Here's just for example, purely. Say I normally do 50mg oxy to get a nice buzz going. Then I take sub for a week. Then the day I want to get high, is it dangerous to go to 75-100mg to feel the effects, or even higher, where it would normally be outside, or on the high end of the range I am used to, "pre-sub"
Here's just for example, purely. Say I normally do 50mg oxy to get a nice buzz going. Then I take sub for a week. Then the day I want to get high, is it dangerous to go to 75-100mg to feel the effects, or even higher, where it would normally be outside, or on the high end of the range I am used to, "pre-sub"
To Random Joy:
Re: your question about being a good candidate for suboxone: what I've always read, and from what I've seen, being a good candidate for suboxone means that you have been dependent on opiates for a fair amount of time, and have failed to quit using despite a few attempts at doing so. I myself had used opiates for 15 years and tried to quit many times before I decided that maintenance was the best choice for me.
The fact that you are already scripted Lyrica for your cravings, and the fact that you are not currently dependent may get in the way. Of course it all depends on your doctor's attitude and perspective on subs.
Ultimately it comes down to you and your intentions: do you want to risk becoming addicted to a very strong partial agonist, one that has its own nasty withdrawal? Are you simply seeking a prescription to take when you are out of your DOC?
Suboxone is expensive, but it has gone generic now so the cost is a fraction of what you'd be paying for namebrand. I have insurance, and my copay is $10. However, I also pay to see my doctor monthly. (When I did not have insurance, I paid around $180 per month for the meds, plus my monthly dr visit fee.)
Best of luck to you, whatever you decide.
Re: your question about being a good candidate for suboxone: what I've always read, and from what I've seen, being a good candidate for suboxone means that you have been dependent on opiates for a fair amount of time, and have failed to quit using despite a few attempts at doing so. I myself had used opiates for 15 years and tried to quit many times before I decided that maintenance was the best choice for me.
The fact that you are already scripted Lyrica for your cravings, and the fact that you are not currently dependent may get in the way. Of course it all depends on your doctor's attitude and perspective on subs.
Ultimately it comes down to you and your intentions: do you want to risk becoming addicted to a very strong partial agonist, one that has its own nasty withdrawal? Are you simply seeking a prescription to take when you are out of your DOC?
Suboxone is expensive, but it has gone generic now so the cost is a fraction of what you'd be paying for namebrand. I have insurance, and my copay is $10. However, I also pay to see my doctor monthly. (When I did not have insurance, I paid around $180 per month for the meds, plus my monthly dr visit fee.)
Best of luck to you, whatever you decide.
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