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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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It really depends on how long you've been taking that dose. When I first got on suboxone my doctor prescribed me 16mg a day, so 16mg a day was what I took. For about a week and a half at least. Then I got on here and actually educated myself about the pharmacology of bupe, and within 4 days of taking 16mg, I was down to 4.

If you have only been on that dose for a couple of weeks, you should be fine dropping down to 8mg with little to no side effects in my opinion. You have so much bupe built up in your system it's going to take nearly a week to notice any difference from the switch anyway.

I would try and get yourself down to 4mg or less as rapidly as you can without much discomfort. Any more is just going to increase the side effects. Then from there create a detox plan with your doctor. Maybe every week you could drop 1mg until you get down to 1mg a day, then a week at 0.5mg, then a week at 0.25 mg, and drop off or even consider doing less than that for a week.

Some doctors might want you to drop off completely at doses as high as 2mg, but that is going to cause some quite noticeable withdrawal. Try and get it as low as possible before you drop off, and if you think you are tapering too fast, don't be afraid to up your dose a little or stay at the one you are at for a longer period of time
 
Glad to say, it its possible to get off. I had a helluva time with subs. i was taking 3 -8mg a day to get off of a lifetime addiction to oxy and hydrocodone. one day i took 16 mg for my morning wake-up call, drank a bunch of wine, and by about 2 in the afternoon felt like i was super-woman, like i could fly. the ironic thing was, i really was trying to get off all pills, and i'd been going to AA & NA mtgs. daily! that's where i met a guy who gave me a bottle of 30 8 mgs.. anyway, i hopped in my car and rushed off in my euphoric state and w/in 5 mins from my house, i hit another car, landed myself in the hospital, then 30 days in jail for a dui, lost a nice car, good job, great apt..really bad day, which went on all year. so, on & off, yeh, cuz by this time i'm actually injured bad from the wreck!...and they wouldn't give me anythng...anyway, it's been the toughest thing i've ever had todo. it's only been 2 weeks w/out anything at all, (oh yeh my detox took place in JAIL)
anyway, sorry for the novella here, just glad to be alive. i get tempted and have all those pesky dreams, and think i can use again recreationally...but getting off the shit is tougher than i'll ever be. i just go for a walk instead! you can do it! never give up!
 
i love BUPE im gonna stay on it for a while.. im on about 4mgs a day.....

its so much better than oxycodone... as far as the peaks and valley's of feeling like shit..

i find suboxone really does have tremendous pain relief... i dont know what ppl are talking about... maybe alot of it is mental?

i came the conlusion any cravings i get for "other " opiates while on bupe are purely mental as long as all my receptors are satured with bupe
 
Zardokk said:
Does anyone else think it's strange that I was started with a dosage of 8mg 2x daily of Suboxone to treat a 120mg/day roxy habit? It seems like quadrouple overkill to me, but I'm not complaining...but I really don't think I could physically take 16mg/day.
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Sounds perfectly normal. There are a bunch of very valid reasons as to why it makes more sense for you to take 8-16 mg of suboxone when treating your addiction. I know it is more than it takes to get you high, but that is not quite the point with suboxone. You are SUPPOSED to take more than you need. Interrupting the addictive cycle by keeping sufficient concentration of bupe in your system at all times. And it takes out insurance from you relapsing and overdoseing. And you stop watching the clock because you always have enough in your system. You don't wake up junk sick. You don't go from sick well sick well.
 
cire113 said:
i love BUPE im gonna stay on it for a while.. im on about 4mgs a day.....

its so much better than oxycodone... as far as the peaks and valley's of feeling like shit..

i find suboxone really does have tremendous pain relief... i dont know what ppl are talking about... maybe alot of it is mental?

i came the conlusion any cravings i get for "other " opiates while on bupe are purely mental as long as all my receptors are satured with bupe
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Im so glad to hear that bupe is working so well for you. I reccommend you trying to lower your dose to around 1mg or so.

When I was taking bupe, I was prescribed 12mgs/day but I only took 0.5mg doses 1-3 times a day and it felt GREAT...it gave me slight euphoria(which never decreased over months of use), it also gave me energy as well as a whole new outlook on life(not to mention a path to re-do the part of my life that I had fucked up using heroin).

Im not saying you will definitely have the exact same results as me, but I think its worth a try, as the very few people who I personally coached on how to lower there dose correctly and how to maintain the low dose correctly...ALL of them had very beneficial effects much like the ones I experienced.

Good Luck!!!


smackem said:
Sounds perfectly normal. There are a bunch of very valid reasons as to why it makes more sense for you to take 8-16 mg of suboxone when treating your addiction. I know it is more than it takes to get you high, but that is not quite the point with suboxone. You are SUPPOSED to take more than you need. Interrupting the addictive cycle by keeping sufficient concentration of bupe in your system at all times. And it takes out insurance from you relapsing and overdoseing. And you stop watching the clock because you always have enough in your system. You don't wake up junk sick. You don't go from sick well sick well.
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Actually, lower doses of suboxone tend to get people "high" instead of high doses...as the high doses completely flood your brains opiate receptors with buprenorphine(a partial agonist/antagonist)....while lower doses(under 4mg's) get you "high" because the low dose allows for bupes metabolite norbuprenorphine(a full agonist like heroin or oxy) to bind to whatever receptors are left open and not filled by bupe(because of taking such a low dose).
 
Zardokk said:
Does anyone else think it's strange that I was started with a dosage of 8mg 2x daily of Suboxone to treat a 120mg/day roxy habit? It seems like quadrouple overkill to me, but I'm not complaining...but I really don't think I could physically take 16mg/day.
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Some people are just unique in that sense. It kind of is overkill but there are a lot of variables.
 
@ james brown

thanks for advice man... ive tried lowering...

but it really seems that the MORE i take the less cravings i have....
Im perscribed about 90 8mgs a month... so ive already been stocking up on a nice supply

I definetly notice a difference between 4mgs a day and 2mgs a day...

I tried taking 1mg doses even but didnt feel as good

but maybe ill try it..
 
i dosed alil bit yeasterday of bupe and today i went without feel good tho not even in toooo much pain in my back i like the longer half life ...but i got some ready for the morn or maybe during the night if i cant sleep
 
@ cire

you would have to maintain for a long period (two weeks or so) until the full benefits of a small dose will take effect......

i have found the adjustment has been beneficial, i now only take 1mg SL daily and have been for months......
 
My bupe situation is as so:

I am supposed to be @ 1 mg / dag, but since I have been upping it, I went cold turkey today, but luckily had some remnant 10x diazepam 5 mg and 10x nitrazepam 5 mg tablets lying around, so they'll help me through. As well as the great weed in stock.

It's also about time I felt for real what bupe wd's feel like. But...

...This morning, I came across a rainy day collection of remnant filters and the gear used while filtering Temgesic tablets, and sadly also some Morphine HCl remnants... So I went ahead and diluted everything, and made a second flush of two filters and two syringes of each substance. I then proceeded to IV the Morphine HCl (2.5 ml total solution), with good results... considering past experiences, I would say about 20 mg of Morphine... So I'm good with that, for the time being. I have 2 ml of bupe in a syringe, ready for IV injection, and then that will be the last, until I collect my next prescription wednesday, which will put me to the test, as I then have the choice to stay off or continue, but using sublingually again, not IV. If I choose to stop now, and heal all puntcures, I will within two weeks time barely be able to see myself that I have been IV'ing, so it would be a good thing not to continue... but as always time and coincidence/choice will tell..

@ 18:00 I IV'ed the flushed bupe in the cephalic vein right below the juncture of the brachial vein of my right arm, after two missed attempts at the accessory cephalic on the upper forearm (used this site due to the earlier success on the opposite arm in the respective place with the Morphine HCl shots)... little effect, but then again bupe is subtle, and it was a flush of pre-used filters. I did feel a certain warmth come over me, though, but only shortly. The area where I IV'ed bulged up while injecting, but it disappeared quite fast after injection (within 5 mins or so), and I was wondering whether that was due to the pressure in the vein and expansion of the vein... Because I registered vein blood twice during the process, and think I missed with about 0.2 ml or so, but the bulging still has me wondering... and also when I pulled out, it was a water droplet that formed, rather than the usual bleeding - but at surrounding nearby sites, I usually don't bleed much or any at all after successful injection, so I'm thinking it was the last droplet in the needle that just sort of stuck due to hydro-static friction upon removing the needle and relieving syringe pressure. I held my arm downwards, no tourniquet, but I was a bit in and out with the needle, and the angle was a bit shaky too...

It might just be the subcutaneous or trans-dermal inflation due to injection of fluid, but I'm pretty sure most went into the vein. But I haven't experienced similar before, other than bulging when really missing, but that takes much longer to be dissipated. Any other suggestions as to the bulging effect?
 
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DeLee said:
I also have a tooth ache right now and my 32mg Suboxone does almost nothing to the pain. The only thing that somewhat helps are regular Paracetamol.
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What is your normal bupe dose? I think for many people it depends on what maint dose you're on when you use bupe for additional pain relief. I was fluctuating between .5-1mg bupe daily sublingual and the 6mg with 1mg xanax worked great. If you're on a higher dose, I think it's less likely to help... but then CH was on low dose and it didn't help him... it must be an individual thing. TBH I was totally surprised I got the relief and a nod.
 
Does 600+mg of st johns wort realy have a potentiate effect on sub or make it more agnostic( i think thats the word) ? I've read multiple things of people saying yes it does and it turns into nobuprenorphine, then ive read that nobuprenorphine doesnt work or cross the bbb
 
Flushing filters - success with 2nd and 3rd flush

& 2nd and 3rd flush of the Morphine filters and syringes also produced a decent result... except during the 3rd flush, I ended up tilting syringe and spilling flushed solution, and ended up having to first vaccum it up with a 10 micron SteriFilt filter from my working surface, and the floor, then dab with the original piece of cotton I used to filter the tablets preliminarily, which was what I mainly flushed (along with the 2 x micron filters, and the third from the second flush), and then reflush the cotton with some fresh bacteriostatic water. So 3rd time around it wasn't as exciting, but I would have to say it was worth it... So by all means, remember to keep your filters and flush them once in a while for a little extra on rainy days. Note: Of course the last step needs to be a sterile filtering into the final injection syringe or storage syringe/vial, with immediate capping, and the obligatory later needle and IV site sterilization, basically just going along with the good old proper IV'ing and filtering techniques and harm reduction in mind - constantly, let's not hurt ourselves more than necessary.

But it might be worth noting in the front page, where all the filtering methods and gear are explained by Captain H, that a few flushes are worth it, to get a more accurate estimate of the solution strength. E.g. You only go through with the filtering once, there will be residue drugs in syringes, filters, cotton, etc... It is impossible to get all of it first time round... Cotton and filter are usually still 'wet' or at least 'dewy', thus containing water which contains either the Morphine HCl and Bupe in my case, thus the final solution might hold less than one expects, which of course in certain cases of placebo you are better off...

I know I focused on Morphine HCl filtering, and shortly mentioned bupe, but this is relevant to filtering and IV'ing tablets in general, and thus relevant to those who must IV their prescription of Subutex or Temgesic.
 
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Captain.Heroin said:
That is true; I should add that into the mega thread. Ideally a 1-2 ml flush will get all the active ingredient out. :)
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Exactly... that is a suitable amount, and if making larger portions, a few ml won't make much of a difference... it was a whole different case when I was filtering single shots of Morphine today... that was a bitch flushing, and also one of the reasons I ended up spilling and fucking up... So for filtering, bigger portions are the way to go, stored safely, soundly and most importantly sterile. But then again the bigger the portion, the less goes to waste in terms of filter residue. In the case of smaller portions, it makes more of a difference concentration wise.
 
took my subutex earlier got bout 6mg left on the thing.. i think ima skip tomorrow unless my back gets to hurting real bad

im not gonna lie tho i really been fiending for some dope.. but i know where that will lead
 
^^^^ more dope?

yup man i feel you...

Even when i take my sub everyday i still get cravings... albiet they are lessening but they are mosty mental...

Sub is a godsend
 
yea its mental at this point but i would mostly self medicate atleast at first until i started IV'n then it was a combo of both i was trying to self medicate for my pain and i wanted to get high and get that rush

im worried now tho that if my MRI comes back being something really wrong i might get put back on pills and i will start abusing them again...if i can get shit and take it as it says and not snort or shot it i think i will be alright i dunno i been a nervous wreck here lately ... i dont know how this will play out i just wanna get my back atleast somewhat normal ...and i wanna be able to sleep i almost wish i could get bupe for my pain managment
 
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