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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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Bupe doesn't do shit for pain if you've ever even looked at an opiate before. I'm exaggerating... but I'm all fucked up anyway. A gram in the vein doesn't numb my pain anymore so it is what is is. After another run I managed to get 20 subs soooooo I'm just not feeling good. And I took the time to share, how fucking kind of me. Sigh.
 
My Suboxone program is also quite hard on Benzos. Though I have a script that gives me Oxazepam but it is something I need so they let me have it. And Oxazepam ain't that strong.
There is absolutelly no leanway about Cannabis.. you cannot piss dirty drugtests all the time. They usually don't kick you out that easily, though it varies in the different citys - mine is maybe a little more tolerable on that.
There are horror stories where people who have been on Methadone for 20+ years piss a dirty drugtests because they took a tab with Codeine for headache or something like that and they kicked out.

Yes, many people get high off of buprenorphine. Having a low opiate tolerance helps this become a reality.

It's not bad to use buprenorphine when you're off opiates already, but buprenorphine in itself can be addictive and habit forming for people who haven't yet gotten addicted to full agonist opiates. I know because I've seen people fiend for it like crazy when I never thought such a thing was possible! 8o

Very true.
I don't know how it is in your countrys but here in Sweden a lot and I mean a lot of young people start abusing Buprenorphine. (I guess it started to be abused in the mid-to late 2000)
And its very often their first experience with opioids and after a while they get hooked and start withdrawaling and they had no idea what they were getting into.

It quite sad i think. This is a problem in Finland too, I don't know about Norway or Denmark though.. or other countrys for that mather.
 
zardokk, the xanax withdrawal is cruel, i don't know why they wouldn't at least cut it in half for a while at the very least (and even that would be fucked up.)

but if you can't get into another clinic weed alternatives are widely available (synthetic cannabinoids) and i recommend trying lyrica or neurontin, i have found them great for anxiety because i can't safely use straight up gaba a agonists due to them cutting my judgement down 90% leading to legal problems and such.
 
WTF experience w/Sub + opium

After getting savagely stomped by w/drawal on Tuesday (mdone+opium), I underwent my Sub induction: on Thursday, the NP prescribed a dose of 24mgs + an optional 8mg before bed. I was relieved to sleep through the afternoon, my first sleep in over 50 hours (strangely, I still can't eat). That night, I experimented with using opium instead of the extra 8mg, expecting to feel little or nothing. Within an hour, I was lying in bed, consumed by an awesome, transcendent ecstasy. The intensity of the physical pleasure and opiate fantasy bordered on psychedelic experience. I have no idea how long I spent in this state before sleep; I felt bountifully repaid for every minute of suffering earlier in the week.
Before this experience, I had no idea how well mdone worked for me. I had almost 1 year of continuous clean time w/opium in my house. Last night's ecstasy possibly exceeded the bliss of my very first use of opiates. This was the last thing I expected from a maintenance drug w/naloxone (which may be in there for "boogeyman" effect).
Has anyone else experienced a profound enhancement effect w/Suboxone?
 
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Bupronorphine is definately a problem here in Finland especially up north where heroin or such is not widely available. For many its a starting point after pot and such. It is mostly available for kids because some dumbasses get into maintenance program and get 16mg per daily, then use something like 2mg and sell the rest to get some extra money. Some people even try to get into maintenance program while being sober and using buprenorphine only during the day before they have their urine tests just to get the money by selling their subs for the kids.

I would not touch buprenorphine as I have seen what kind of withdrawals it can lead. Quitting 8mg buprenorphine per day seems much worse than quitting 60mg of oxycodone daily. I wont go to a Suboxene maintenance program when I have no need to take oxycodone for pain, I will just taper off slowly as I have did before.
 
About getting high on opiates after taking Suboxone: SWIM has a mild heroin addiction [about 1 bag of really good dope every day] and he ran out last night. While he'd usually just get drunk or deal with the WD's on his own, he had work today so he took 4mg of Suboxone at 7 AM[large dose, I know, but he wanted to make sure he had a lil extra energy], then at noon he took another 2mg dose[both times it was sublingual].

It's now 9 PM, and about half an hour ago he shot half a bag of dope. Didn't do anything so he shot the other half. Now he feels a little warm and fuzzy inside, but only as much as he would have felt normally by shooting about an eighth [1/8] of a bag. Conclusion? I'm an idiot. Though you can overpower the Suboxone with enough opiates, it's really not worth it after taking that large of a Suboxone dose so recently.
 
hey guys i tried to find this, I know i got the link off here, but it is a thorough explanation of how buprenorphine actually has a higher affinity than the naloxone. It also specifically addresses the confusion about this and spells it out crystal for that very purpose. I thought it was from samsha or even FDA but I can't find it!!!!

If someone knows this...please please please I want to show it to my doc who buys the Reckitt & Benckiser thing about the naloxone being so vital as abuse deterrent.
 
hey guys i tried to find this, I know i got the link off here, but it is a thorough explanation of how buprenorphine actually has a higher affinity than the naloxone. It also specifically addresses the confusion about this and spells it out crystal for that very purpose. I thought it was from samsha or even FDA but I can't find it!!!!

If someone knows this...please please please I want to show it to my doc who buys the Reckitt & Benckiser thing about the naloxone being so vital as abuse deterrent.

really? I've never seen such a thing.

That's pretty crazy though.

If you can find it - please post it here. :)

Even if you showed it to your doctor, they may just claim ignorance. I am convinced some doctors deliberately ignore reality for kickbacks.
 
hows everybody doing.. i been pretty good ..just in pain i got ahold of a few xannies and i actually been able to sleep.. i ran outta my bupe and its been a good 3 days i wanna say since i dosed..maybe two...i feel good i dont think i have been doing enuff to with draw again so thats good.. i think will be getting a few more soon just to help with my pain but right now im toughin it out been on the heatin pad
 
^Good, or sort of shaky, but nice and sunny here, so that's all good... Thanks for asking how we're all doing... Sounds like your boat is pretty stable, albeit rockin' a little bit... Here my boat is also rockin' a little, and I have also been using alprazolam recently to supplement my bupe.... I am supposed to be stable at 1 mg / day - at least that is what I collect weekly, but the past three weeks have been a bit bumpy and in reality, I am probably still at 1.5 mg / day at least... although 3/5 days when I dose over 1 mg, I get these headaches, but I really can't tell whether they are benzo related or opiate related... but I have a hunch they have something to do with my drug intake. It could also be the sudden change from winter weather to hot sunny days, and dehydration, but I drink at least 3-4 liters of liquid daily, the majority being water.... Could be possible it is something with the filtering of the tablets for IV (although I go through ultimate sterile procedures and use cotton, then a 0.45 micron wheel filter, then a 0.2 and finally I shoot the resulting solution (usually shoot 1 mg bupe/2 ml H2O or sometimes just 1 ml with 0.5 mg). Plus the odd benzos on the side. And the weed. And recently I had to try IV heroin after running out of bupe, which was wonderful for the time being (except for the amount of time, effort, money spent and being street gypped), but this boat just needs to stop rocking, I need to paddle to shore and step the fuck out and back onto stable ground. I start tapering down 0.2 mg every third day beginning of may, and then I'm in for it... I hope the sobriety comes on pleasantly ;) Funnily enough, the days off bupe, that resulted in a 5-shots-of-brown-heroin-over-two-days, had me feeling great the day after my last shot, and by then at least 16 hours had passed since my last heroin shot, and roughly 4 days without bupe in my system... So now I'm wondering whether the way to go is drop the bupe, and see how it goes... How I would love to be able to chipmunk the remaining collections at the clinic, and just have a stash lying around, for the harshest days... But chipmunking requires willpower, and it also requires a low tolerance, and neither are what I have the most of right now (although some would argue that 1 mg / day of bupe is nothing, to me I can feel a huge difference between 1 and 0, and 1 and 1.5 for that mattter)... I'll shoot bupe, get buzzed, then smoke weed, get even more buzzed, and then do benzos and get even more buzzed... something tells me that maybe I should have never joined this damned bupe program, and that it's fucked me up more than it has helped me... but then again, time will tell... For now, all is well, it must be. Ideally, in a months time, I should be pissing clean, except for Cannabis, which I don't have any plans to stop using, unless of course it starts to trouble me, but it's the opiates and benzo chapter that I need to close, for good, unless medically required. And if I do end up using again recreationally, I really want it to be once in a blue moon or eclipse or whatever that figure of speech is... just not be a fiend for it, and be able to go on with my life without having to maintain on anything else but food and drink (non-alcoholic). It's a bitch waking up in the morning, and thinking, "fuck, what do I need right now to feel normal? And damnit, I'm shaky and cold as a bitch, and I don't have any tablets for sublingual use left, so I have to shoot or plug the solution I made, but damn it's cold, and so on!" And where I live, I share a kitchen with a bunch of other people, so it's not uncommon that I have to be 'present' or feeling good to be able to socialize, even just while fixing coffee or something small like that... Sometimes I stand there, feeling like morning-sickness-shit-fucking-crap, and then there's the lively girl and the happy boy who have never seen or tried shit, small talking and trying to chat me up.... GRRRRR...... :! 8) <3 =D
 
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they did a study with post detoxed opiate addicts and gave them IV injections of bupe, placebo, and something else ... well they identified the bupe as heroin... lol

I dont know what dumbass detoxed addict would sign up for that....
 
ya'll please help me realize i can do this. been reading on here all day, and i yo-yo from getting help in kicking and just craving so bad, it's all i can do to go score.
funny, i'd made my mind up to earlier, even called my dealer, but couldn't find my keys. after tearing the house upside down, i figured out i'd left them in a friend's car, and he's outtatown til tuesday. in n.a., they say that's "God doing for you what you couldn't do for yourself..."
so, wtf, another day clean. only day 4. have been doing opana 30mg. 3 or 4 a day insufflated. that, after kicking a 30-40 lortab habit. thought i was doing better til i discovered the opana. never iv'd and i ain't gonna! noway. but if anyone has some good advice on really getting off the op's, and no, i've done suboxone, only to abuse it, and get in real trouble. i'm really trying to do this on my own w/out any other chemicals. anyone simpatico? thanks
 
ya'll please help me realize i can do this. been reading on here all day, and i yo-yo from getting help in kicking and just craving so bad, it's all i can do to go score.
funny, i'd made my mind up to earlier, even called my dealer, but couldn't find my keys. after tearing the house upside down, i figured out i'd left them in a friend's car, and he's outtatown til tuesday. in n.a., they say that's "God doing for you what you couldn't do for yourself..."
so, wtf, another day clean. only day 4. have been doing opana 30mg. 3 or 4 a day insufflated. that, after kicking a 30-40 lortab habit. thought i was doing better til i discovered the opana. never iv'd and i ain't gonna! noway. but if anyone has some good advice on really getting off the op's, and no, i've done suboxone, only to abuse it, and get in real trouble. i'm really trying to do this on my own w/out any other chemicals. anyone simpatico? thanks

Have you tried going to a methadone clinic?

Suboxone isn't the best option for everyone I know, although it is certainly a great option for myself.
 
HI Capt. H---no, i'm being really stubborn, i know. trying to do it alone. i live kinda in a rural area, and all those clinics are downtown. so that's a problem, then i'm just gonna have to get off methadone. have you or anyone else here gone to 12 step meetings with any long term success? or short term, for that matter? thanks for sharing!
 
HI Capt. H---no, i'm being really stubborn, i know. trying to do it alone. i live kinda in a rural area, and all those clinics are downtown. so that's a problem, then i'm just gonna have to get off methadone. have you or anyone else here gone to 12 step meetings with any long term success? or short term, for that matter? thanks for sharing!

No, I have never needed a "program". I'm not the kind of person that would work on at all. You could try looking up some information on how these types of programs work for others in The Dark Side, that's where the information will probably be easiest to find.

Just make sure to read each sub-forum's rules before posting. :) TDS has some very specific rules.

I have long term success with buprenorphine. I also have real pain issues starting this year too and it's been very workable for me. Although challenging.
 
Suboxone is the hardest shit to get on to without getting precipiated withdrawals. Fuck, thats what was better about Methadone, you didn't have to worry about that shit. Do you guys think because I dosed them Sublingually in instead of snorting them like last time when they I felt worse withdrawals like on verge of vomiting every 2 minutes with nasty migraine headache that fucking kills. It was hell, I think because the fucking naloxone they put in it definately something to do with it. I waited a good 17 or 18 hrs too after my last hydromorphcontin snort.

This sucks I really need to steer clear of opiates definately, benzo's i don't know I will have to meet to find a doctor that will prescribe me benzo's because my anxiety has been so severe especially of as of lately. I think I will need to be on them a while before I taper off.
 
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i guess part of my lingering problem, is that i am addicted to anything that changes the way i feel. i will abuse catfood if i thought it could get me high! hmmm...LOL
i cannot be trusted, and i know it. i am going to my parent's house tomorrow for Easter, and i'd rather stick pins in my eyes than sit around with these ppl. my mom's got a bathroom full of goodies, and while she does shut her door when i am there, if the opportunity is there, i will sneak in there and grab a whole flippin bottle. she's got oxy's, vics, norcos, somas, ativans, etc...and she doesn't even take them! ha.
and get this, my dad is a JUDGE, and has his own arsnal, including allthose high-fallutin-singlle-male-scotches...
AND at the horse barn is a fridge full of K, and all kinds of other stuff that'll make the REAL easter bunny appear.
see my predicament???
and i'm barely 3 days sober and miserable. yup. miserable.
SO, yeh, if i went to a doc, i would and could get anything i wanted. and if i get benzos to help, i'd take 30 in 2 days or 60 in just a few more.
if i went to a methadone clinic, i'd drink it all as soon as i could. suboxone i totalled my car on and wound up in jail. (i'm sure some of ya'll have heard my story, i've talked about it a few times in the last week.)
so, i've shot myself in the proverbial foot, and it's my own damn fault, and there's nothing left for me to do but suffer!!!!
damn, but karma's a bitch!
pray i survive Easter.
 
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^last year I had success kicking, by just sticking to a firm set of principles, and really enjoying the natural highs that are out there - i.e. notice the birds in the morning, the sun when it's out, and the sundown when it's a beautiful transition from day to night, the rush from a run, the intensity of weight-lifting, the sensation from winter-bathing, the goosebumps from a good concert, etc... just go to some extremes that get your blood flowing and your appetite for life back, and you'll hopefully find satisfaction there... it's the way to go, but then again, here I am, fucking around in this bupe ORT program... the kick last year lasted 4 months...
 
Ok, I've got a question, now. It's been over 50 hours since I took suboxone [it was a one-time deal of 6mg] and I'm still unable to get high off of IV heroin. However, my pupils are still pinning out and I am a little nauseous like when taking a large dose, yet I am feeling none of the euphoric or pain-killing effects. Is this normal for the suboxone dose and time since ingesting it?
 
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