Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[i are spectre]

im on day 4 of no suboxone at all, i should be feeling pretty sick, if i was going to, right? usually 24-26 hours im not feeling so hot at all, chills/sweats, extreme fatigue, aching... i feel fine today. what i did was dose bupe 1mg strip one morning, the next morning i woke up and took 30mg of methadone instead. since then I just have not needed bupe, and i think most of this methadone is out now, its been over 100 hours... my guess is the methadone covered up most of the bupe wd, now im just riding out the rest.

ive done this before with opiates, too. it was pods though. i was addicted to pods, i ran out (on purpose), took 5 methadone over the next 3 days, and i had no withdrawal at all, and this was a 6 month daily pod addiction.

 

[caseface99]

I've always thought they tasted about the same.

Then again I like the taste of Ativan tablets and other random drugs so who knows...

I love the taste of #4 heroin so much i could eat with a spoon - apparently my friends don't agree.

It's interesting how people develop different likes and dislikes based on life experiences. I wonder what lead to me enjoying the taste of white powder heroin while others don't.

 

[j0nj0n]

I'm currently searching through the site now, But if someone could inform me on some good over the counter meds to help w/ my sub withdrawal I'd appreciate it..mainly looking for anything that can help w/ the body and muscle aches. I'm aware of taking amodium or what ever it's called. but anything else?

I'm currently trying to get ahold of some benzos but doubt that will fall through since I don't know many people where I moved to.

thanks for any help

 

[i are spectre]

magnesium
valarian root
kava kava
tramadol
kratom
immodium
diphenhydramine

 

[Pegasus]

I'm currently searching through the site now, But if someone could inform me on some good over the counter meds to help w/ my sub withdrawal I'd appreciate it..mainly looking for anything that can help w/ the body and muscle aches. I'm aware of taking amodium or what ever it's called. but anything else?

I'm currently trying to get ahold of some benzos but doubt that will fall through since I don't know many people where I moved to.

thanks for any help

Kratom is definitely worth looking into, it works better than loperamide (Immodium) IMO, and is just as cheap.

 

[BrokedownPalace]

Do you have insurance, or any money to go see a doctor? Most doctors aren't assholes believe it or not and if you show them you are intelligent and being honest most don't have a problem helping you out. If you can afford it, (Office visits are like $60 for my doctor) I would go see your GP and flat out tell him you are done with your suboxone taper, could you possibly prescribe me some non-narcotic meds to help me out for a few weeks? Such as clonidine, seroquel, neurontin (my favorite for RLS) and something for sleep (trazodone, ambien) and if you're lucky a benzo.

Obviously that would be the ideal situation and would cost you for the office visit + filling the scripts, but if you can afford it I highly recommend doing it.

As for OTC meds, Immodium (loperamide) is a godsend, since it is an opiate but barely crosses the BBB(Blood Brain Barrier), and in high enough doses it will certainly help eliminate most, if not all withdrawal symptoms. Don't worry about it constipating you, it wont constipate you any more than tradition opiates and suboxone.

There also are:

Valerian root (helps with anxiety and restlessness)

Doxylamine Succinate (Great sleep aid, clinical tests show it is just about equally as sedating as phenobarbital)

Diphenhydramine is similar to doxylamine, but I don't think it works as well.

Ibuprofen seriously helps with aches/pains

And there are many supplements/vitamins that will help your body during the rebuilding process. I am not very knowledgeable in regards to vitamins and whatnot, in fact I am researching the topic myself, since I am currently detoxing from methadone. When I find more info I will post it. Check out Healthy Living, another sub-forum on here, they should be able to help you with what to do to help rebuild your body and feel better.

Exercise is also key. You need to start producing endorphins naturally again, and running/jogging/working out certainly helps. You may feel sore afterward, but it should also tire you out and give you a sense of accomplishment. You may not feel like moving during w/d, but even walking around the block or something will help get the ball rolling.

 

[cire113]

IMO the films are way better than the tablets... in all reguards... still taste like shit though..


Honestly the feeling i get from sub is very similar to other opiates...

its just way more stable ... like you can actually take sub daily function and have a life..

if im taking oxy i cant do that cause im shooting up every 2 hrs

 

[BrokedownPalace]

IMO the films are way better than the tablets... in all reguards... still taste like shit though..


Honestly the feeling i get from sub is very similar to other opiates...

its just way more stable ... like you can actually take sub daily function and have a life..

if im taking oxy i cant do that cause im shooting up every 2 hrs

Exactly right. The purpose of maintenance drugs like suboxone/methadone, is that you can take them and not worry about being in withdrawal, worrying about going to cop, worrying about money, etc. You can take them in order to put opiate addiction lower on your list of priorities, and hopefully work on getting your life straightened out and on a better path. Once you do this, then you can worry about tapering off or getting off of subs/methadone. Because at this point, (hopefully) opiates won't rule your life anymore.

 

[cire113]

also the truth is i still have cravings to shoot up... But im pretty sure its more of a mental needle fixation... cause right now im at about 4-6mgs of sub a day... and honestly its the same i felt when doing oxy all day besides the "rush" from shooting...

YOu know just feeling "normal" not sick or anything...

Its very refreshing change... I just hope i can stay on the program and keep taking it and not relapse to the needle..

im tempted to bang my sub but if there is no rush there is no point

 

[Captain.Heroin]

hey captain hope your ok, i need some sdvice, i have been off my methodone now for 3 wks so it should be out of my system, i got britlofex {lofexidine} from gp and some buscupan and vallies , qell me being a raging junkie i have been taking the meds but using a bag which is .2 a day, so now i got to stop the h, i have soe loperamide obviously, and a few dffs and a couple of vallies left, also i have just found an 8ml subbie, i was thinking of breaking it up into small bits and either under tounge or which ever is best roa, as well as taking the other meds, i know think that the meth rattle should have passed
can you give me any advice of the best way to do it, im working all wk end so ill be busy just as long as im not to sick i reckon 3 days should do it, any advice if i should use the sub in very small doses would be much appreciated, thanks man

Some people like a certain ROA with buprenorphine. Overall the sublingual route will probably last the longest. Snorting is supposed to last a similar duration but slightly shorter (I haven't tried this ROA more than 1 or 2 times), and IV duration is very short.

If you haven't been using 0.2 grams of heroin per day for very long, I would just use it sublingually. If you have been using it very long, you will need more buprenorphine.

If you have already tried out snorting or IV buprenorphine, and know that you will need a significantly lower dosage for these ROA's, you can make the pill stretch you 1+ week(s) this way. However I would not IV buprenorphine again without a micron filter (see the last link in my signature).

However, if you take 2mg sublingually for 4 days, and you take it every other day for the last 2 doses, then 6 to 7 days later you will feel a lot better. You can also break the last 2mg down into two halves, so as to get a full week out of it.

I am not familiar with most of your other medications, I don't know if they would interfere with how buprenorphine should make you feel or not.

I would save the diazepam for days you don't take buprenorphine, or for after you have run out of buprenorphine.

im tempted to bang my sub but if there is no rush there is no point

It's definitely not going to satisfy you in the same way that IVing oxycodone did, and going through with trying it could lead to frustration to the point where you just choose to relapse instead of staying on 4-6mg sublingually, and being stable.

So I would stay on the sublingual Suboxone and try to ride it out. Eventually you'll feel a lot more like your old self.

 

[cire113]

Technically if around 30% is absorbed sublingually that means my real dose of 4mg is really about 1.5 mgs?

Not too bad.... I've searched the Internet for hours and it seems the real ceiling Lvl for bupe is about 4mgs for most ppl.. But again keep in mind because of ROA rates unless ur iving 4mg really equals like 10-12mg

 

[adder]

Even if you count it that way, 4mg is no ceiling. When I took buprenorphine sublingually, I definitely felt the difference between 16mg and 24mg. Also, there are quite a few things that affect bioavailability like e.g. saliva pH.

i got britlofex {lofexidine} from gp and some buscupan and vallies

Don't mix lofexidine with opioids, it's alright for alleviating anxiety connected with opioid withdrawal but α2 agonists aren't meant to be taken with opioids just like that, you could easily get side effects from this like hypotension.

 

[kanyeknievel]

magnesium
valarian root
kava kava
tramadol
kratom
immodium
diphenhydramine

Tramadol OTC???? Never heard of this

 

[cire113]

To anyone who doesn't think bupe is strong or extremely euphoric don't take ur bupe for 3 days then dose 1/2 of your last dose..... Report back to me with results

I get it now when u take it everyday u get used to the feeling of opiates saturated in ur receptors all day...

No wonder the withdrawal sucks ... Bupe is one strong Opiate yes it is dedinetly IMO

 

[infamousryan]

Suboxone Tablets Discontinued in NY- Other Areas too?

so, i got my regular script from my doctor for my suboxone. i always get tablets. this time he wrote film. so i called him up, and he said they are discontinuing the tablets and he wanted me to get used to the film.
So i called the pharmacist, they said they had tablets in stock but they were being phased out
So i called the drug company AND insurance company, and they said the same (what a shocker).

i am wondering if this is just in NY or all over..

bye bye tablets (even tho i got a nice stock..)

but it sucks greatly because i cant divide a strip like i can a tablet. its just not possible.. i mean its possible, but its more diffucult and you have to leave half a strip out, which is a pain in the ass and could get lost, wind up somewhere you dont want it to be (IE: a pets stomach, your food, etc lol). So i find it kinda f'd up that i cant get my tablets anymore.. i dont mind the strips, but i wish they were square for an even division..

i usually take 4-6 mg a day.. prescribed 14 due to insurance bullshit. (im running out by the way, probably in another month, glad i lied for extra subs from the beginning..)

another thing,i find that the strips become far less potent over time where as a tablet can last for years. when i opened my OLD thing of sub strips, they were cracking all over the place.

 

[Pegasus]

^I agree with you that the film is a bit inferior as far as getting the absolute most out of it, but if it is what you have available you will get better at using it effectively.

Saline nasal spray works very well for delivering the strips nasally, IMO. Sublingually, the film seems to be superior for most, especially those that have trouble with salivating while waiting for the Suboxone to dissolve (it is a very big pill!)

 

[Herbal~Jah]

I love the taste of #4 heroin so much i could eat with a spoon - apparently my friends don't agree.

It's interesting how people develop different likes and dislikes based on life experiences. I wonder what lead to me enjoying the taste of white powder heroin while others don't.

Because the certain taste of thatt #4 Heroin powder reminds you of the high that you get from that substance.

 

[yoboy]

hey everyone, I got a question......... A little background info: I'm new to suboxone treatment. (got them off the streets for years, but this is the first time I've gone official through a doctor) I've been on 8mg a day for three weeks now.

The sexual side effects are shitty, but what is really killing me is the constipation! About 5 days in I couldn't take it anymore so I tapered down to a point where I took nothing for 2 days JUST so I could take a shit. This was after I tried prune juice, miralax, loads of water, exercise, high fiber diet, played Seal and Enya cds and lit candles in the bathroom, etc, etc.

I've decided that I cannot take bupe everyday and live like this- I just can't do it. So my plan is to take a much smaller daily dose than my doc told me to take (4mg a day instead of 8mg, the full pill is too much anyways), taper down to 2mg, then take NOTHING a couple days out of the week so I can have myself a nice BM.

So what I have in mind for a typical week is something like this: Sun-4mg, Mon-4mg, Tues-2mg, Wed-nothing, Thurs-nothing, Fri-2mg, Sat-4mg

Is anyone into a routine where they don't take bupe every single day, but they are still prescribed the stuff by a doctor? When I go into to see my doc should I keep these ideas to myself and let him think that I'm on schedule and taking the full pill everyday?

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

on this part:

When I go into to see my doc should I keep these ideas to myself and let him think that I'm on schedule and taking the full pill everyday?

keep it to yourself, don't let the dr know in case you need more in the future or he could lower your script and if you needed to take 8mg for w/e reason you wouldn't be able to.. plus you could save up that half pill a day and have a supply for when you get off bupe.

 

[kanyeknievel]

Quick question, I'm on suboxone and I'm trying my best to stay completely clean from EVERYTHING. and its been going good, had urges to do xanax and smoke but i haven't and I don't plan to. I got xanax cuz i thut i was going to run out of klonopin, but i got valium today from my phsyc cause i want to taper off benzos, so i have like 7 bars but im resisiting and not even doing them .

ANYWAYS my question is suboxone definitely is helping me a lot in various aspects, mostly urges and not doing drugs. But is it bad that I snort my suboxone when i take it? In the morning sometimes i take some of it under my tongue, but i dont take it all in the morning like the doctor said, because i dont need 8mg at once or a day, so i just do it gradually throughout the day. Is it bad that i use this method of administration over sublingually?

In my opinion i dont think so because it had better bio-avalibility, but besides the damage im doing to my nose, is it wrong or bad to take it this way? If so why, if not, then why not? Just a question I thought was a good one.

Thanks and goodluck to everyone staying clean and taking the step forward getting on suboxone. And to those unable to stay clean, try suboxone and see how it works for you!