The only thing for me is of course being an addict...I don't know if I should go through with the Adderall or not. But, if it's the only thing that helps...what do ya do ?? Is it better abusing adderall and feeling good or just really staying " suicidal" depressed and that's no joke. I wish my wife would understand and i would let her hold em or whatever but no way....she finds that out and I got a divorce coming soon. Thanks all!!!
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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022
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Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
I'd say it's better to use drugs than risk attempting suicide if you are seriously suicidal but... others would say just to tough it out.
Is it possible you need this medication as you might have ADD/ADHD? You could try getting a diagnosis; which would allow you to get on the medication for the long term if it really does help you. Most people would say "no, don't" and stuff. I can't make the right call only you can.
I have a question.. maybe someone has experiecne with this. For the last week I have been adjusting to the switch back to apartial agonist (bupe) after a binge. On day 7 I felt nearly 100%.. but the transition SUCKED. I rememebr back in the day wheN i used to do like only 200mg oxy or so daily, and subutex would work INSTANTLY. I twould take the sickness away and make me feel better even slightly high. Now no matter hwo long I wait to dose, it just blows. I have atleast a 3 day adjustment period. I think it's due to higher tolerance and abusing it like switching back and forth so much. When I use I use a bundle of NYC dope a day (or more if it's not fire).
I wanna ask what you guys think about this. I have been dosing bupe every day. Today I dosed 2mg in the morning. I picked up today. I am trying to avoid a bad transition.. is it possible for me to dose a little bupe every day like before I use. LIke 1mg to keep it in my system? My worry is precitatied withdrawals. My friedn thinks I wont be at risk since i will already have some bupe in my system from the day before. For instance, lets say I use 5 bags of dope tonight. Normally id wait atleast 24 hours to dose my bupe after a binge on full agonists. But since I dosed 2mg this morning, then used dope today, could I just dose 1mg tomorrwo mroning without risking PW's? Does anyone do this daily to kind of keep the bupe levels in their system? Doezs it work to help your transition?
I wanna ask what you guys think about this. I have been dosing bupe every day. Today I dosed 2mg in the morning. I picked up today. I am trying to avoid a bad transition.. is it possible for me to dose a little bupe every day like before I use. LIke 1mg to keep it in my system? My worry is precitatied withdrawals. My friedn thinks I wont be at risk since i will already have some bupe in my system from the day before. For instance, lets say I use 5 bags of dope tonight. Normally id wait atleast 24 hours to dose my bupe after a binge on full agonists. But since I dosed 2mg this morning, then used dope today, could I just dose 1mg tomorrwo mroning without risking PW's? Does anyone do this daily to kind of keep the bupe levels in their system? Doezs it work to help your transition?
HdoubleODeezy
Bluelighter
are you on sub (bupe) maintenance or are you buying them off tha street?
On sub maint. Also I am physically dependant on sub. Like today I picked up dope.. eventually i'll start withdrawin (from the bupe). I've been on 6mg daily for like a year. Startin to taper down now.
I was only using like once every 2 weeks.. then I binged like very day for 2 weeks and got my self fucked...thats when the transition is liek the worst. When I would only use for 2-3 days every 2 weeks, It would take me 2-3 days and id be back to 100%.
Lately the transitions are fuckin horrible. But if it would be beneficial. I would do my last shot tonight, wait 12 hours, dose 1mg then go on about using my dope. I am just worried thatll end up making me feel like bad or something.. do more harm than good. Or worse, PW's. becuase at 12 hours i will not be anywhere near bad withdrawal..but I am thinking because I have decently high levels of bupe in my system already from 6mg daily (even though today I only took 2mg at like 7am).
Blahh I shouldnt have even copped but theres fuckin FIRE out in BK
I was only using like once every 2 weeks.. then I binged like very day for 2 weeks and got my self fucked...thats when the transition is liek the worst. When I would only use for 2-3 days every 2 weeks, It would take me 2-3 days and id be back to 100%.
Lately the transitions are fuckin horrible. But if it would be beneficial. I would do my last shot tonight, wait 12 hours, dose 1mg then go on about using my dope. I am just worried thatll end up making me feel like bad or something.. do more harm than good. Or worse, PW's. becuase at 12 hours i will not be anywhere near bad withdrawal..but I am thinking because I have decently high levels of bupe in my system already from 6mg daily (even though today I only took 2mg at like 7am).
Blahh I shouldnt have even copped but theres fuckin FIRE out in BK
HdoubleODeezy
Bluelighter
get off bupe maintenance so someone who wants to be clean can get the help, if you're gonna keep doing dope there is no point for you to be on bupe maintenance. it only makes things difficult as you are finding out. pick one or the other. and tell your dr you are still having cravings (you obviously are if you keep copping)
K..i'm heading to the doctor now!
Hey forum what's up,
So, I decided I'm going to try and do the adderall mixed with the subs. I have done it before and was really surprised in how good I felt and got super motivated. I go to the clinic tomorrow to see my doc. Before he put me on Cymbalta, which obviously doesn't work. Should I suggest Adderall to him?? Or is that a big no, no. Here's the deal. I live in NC now...the past 3 months. I called my ol doc in NJ and he suggested Adderall with the subs but he can't prescribe it for me cause I have a contract with this clinic that they can only treat me or I'll be terminated. Plus, I have state coverage which makes it free, THANK GOD!! Now, I really want to grab these A-bombs so should I tell him my NJ doc wanted to get em for me?? Or see what he says first?? I just don't want to come off to strong. Like I said before I do get severe depression and have been to hospital plenty of times on suicide attempts. I just don't wanna screw this up. Any help on what to say....would be great!!! Thanks, guys & ladies :0)
So, I decided I'm going to try and do the adderall mixed with the subs. I have done it before and was really surprised in how good I felt and got super motivated. I go to the clinic tomorrow to see my doc. Before he put me on Cymbalta, which obviously doesn't work. Should I suggest Adderall to him?? Or is that a big no, no. Here's the deal. I live in NC now...the past 3 months. I called my ol doc in NJ and he suggested Adderall with the subs but he can't prescribe it for me cause I have a contract with this clinic that they can only treat me or I'll be terminated. Plus, I have state coverage which makes it free, THANK GOD!! Now, I really want to grab these A-bombs so should I tell him my NJ doc wanted to get em for me?? Or see what he says first?? I just don't want to come off to strong. Like I said before I do get severe depression and have been to hospital plenty of times on suicide attempts. I just don't wanna screw this up. Any help on what to say....would be great!!! Thanks, guys & ladies :0)
Znegative
Bluelight Crew
^I agree with CH, its better to do drugs than to risk suicide, I'd try and go about it all in an honest way.
MS4104, I relate to your situation. It used to be super easy for me to transition from dope to bupe. I could do the heroin at night, and wake up and take the suboxone and all would go well. Then I started up with Oxymorphone, and after just a two week binge of that, it seemed like transitioning was never the same. I would also get off buprenorphine maintenance and just save a few pills around for when you cant cop or if you need to detox.
MS4104, I relate to your situation. It used to be super easy for me to transition from dope to bupe. I could do the heroin at night, and wake up and take the suboxone and all would go well. Then I started up with Oxymorphone, and after just a two week binge of that, it seemed like transitioning was never the same. I would also get off buprenorphine maintenance and just save a few pills around for when you cant cop or if you need to detox.
I dunno I've been Iving 10mg of bupe per day for the last 18 months and I still get wonderfully high, even without increasing my dose over that period.
In fact when I get my pure bupe with no naloxone on Fridays my high exceeds what I used to get from heroin.
Hey umm I wanna know something, I have to spit my suboxone into a Baggie ( I rush out to the car as soon as they put it in my mouth) every day from mon to fri. This means I got to filter my spit out.
How much spit gets in my veins? Is it harmful?
Does anyone else have experience with spit injection?
How much spit gets in my veins? Is it harmful?
Does anyone else have experience with spit injection?
HdoubleODeezy
Bluelighter
are you fucking kidding?
don't inject spit of any amount.
and no before you ask i dont have any proof that it is bad for you other than common sense..
and i hope no one has experience doing it.
don't inject spit of any amount.
and no before you ask i dont have any proof that it is bad for you other than common sense..
and i hope no one has experience doing it.
I stopped a 40mg/day opana habit last week and it has been 6 days. In that time i have gone through 16 mgs of suboxone. 6mg day one and tapered down to where 2 days ago i did 3 mg and 40 hours ago i did my last 1mg. I am somewhat in withdrawal but absolutely nothing like opana withdrawal (mentally i am jonesing bad however). How long would you expect it to take from now for the buprenorphine to be completely out of my system.
assuming 1 mg a day suboxone constantly how long would one have to wait before using a full agonist to not have it be blocked and wasted?
Im going to try to use absolutely nothing for the next couple days then may get high on opana on wednesday. hop back on a minimum amount of sub and try to really scale back opiod use altogether.
I was hoping to do a sub taper and be done with it completely but jesus is it hard and i may have to take it more gradually; at least see if i can use once without dropping full blown back into the abyss
assuming 1 mg a day suboxone constantly how long would one have to wait before using a full agonist to not have it be blocked and wasted?
Im going to try to use absolutely nothing for the next couple days then may get high on opana on wednesday. hop back on a minimum amount of sub and try to really scale back opiod use altogether.
I was hoping to do a sub taper and be done with it completely but jesus is it hard and i may have to take it more gradually; at least see if i can use once without dropping full blown back into the abyss
I mix it with water then filter through ciggerette filter.
Obviously spit is still present, obviously it's not good, but I don't really have a choice as the pharmacy forces me to dose in front of them.
Except on weekends when I get take homes.
I just want to know how to reduce the risks, and what the exact nature of the risks involved.
HdoubleODeezy
Bluelighter
don't use a cig filter either..
either use cotton from a q tip (last resort) but better than a cig filter
or please invest in luer lock syringes and micron filters for your healths sake.
either use cotton from a q tip (last resort) but better than a cig filter
or please invest in luer lock syringes and micron filters for your healths sake.
just going to bump this to the next page since it is a bit time sensitive
HdoubleODeezy
Bluelighter
*SOME* but not all people can take their sub in the morning and get high on their DOC that night, like i said SOME can, you can only find out if you try but it is risking wasting a good dose of your DOC. Other people (me included when i was on it) need a couple days like you said you were going to wait.. choice is up to you young grasshopper.
That's what i will say about waiting time about till you can get high.
The remaining parts of your post aren't really a question, but about the sub taper being hard (that it is) i found jumping off cold turkey at .5mg-2mg/day (depending how i felt, I think we can all relate to some days needing more than others) but really i found the CT jump the easiest way to do it for me, if i was going to taper to nothing (note i have been off a year) i would still be contemplating when to stop lol.
Good luck buddy and welcome to BL, it's a great place to be if you need to talk about this type of stuff, and if you want opinions other than doctors and from people who actually know what they're talking about from either learning it or going through the same thing you are.
There is a progress thread that you can keep us all updated on how your sub taper goes when you do it.
But anywayzz i am done rambling.. let us know how long it took before you took the full agonist and if it worked for you (that way it helps us answer the next person who asks this question more accurately)
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That's what i will say about waiting time about till you can get high.
The remaining parts of your post aren't really a question, but about the sub taper being hard (that it is) i found jumping off cold turkey at .5mg-2mg/day (depending how i felt, I think we can all relate to some days needing more than others) but really i found the CT jump the easiest way to do it for me, if i was going to taper to nothing (note i have been off a year) i would still be contemplating when to stop lol.
Good luck buddy and welcome to BL, it's a great place to be if you need to talk about this type of stuff, and if you want opinions other than doctors and from people who actually know what they're talking about from either learning it or going through the same thing you are.
There is a progress thread that you can keep us all updated on how your sub taper goes when you do it.
But anywayzz i am done rambling.. let us know how long it took before you took the full agonist and if it worked for you (that way it helps us answer the next person who asks this question more accurately)
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I just started taking suboxone to get off a 0.5 gram a day heroin habit. When I took the suboxone yesterday, I didn't get much relief so I just kept taking more. I think I took about 16 mg over a 3 hour period. I did get some relief eventually. Then, around 7 hours later after taking the 16 mg, I took 4 mg and I am pretty sure I felt that 4 mg and felt relief from it. I also seemed to feel it more than I felt that previous 16 mg. Why is that?
I am curious at how I was able to feel that 4 mg when I was on so much already. I thought low doses were supposedly better. Also, how long should I wait before dosing again and I might try to I.M. it.
I am curious at how I was able to feel that 4 mg when I was on so much already. I thought low doses were supposedly better. Also, how long should I wait before dosing again and I might try to I.M. it.
weekend addiction
Bluelighter
Sorry if this post sounds bad I OD'd on alcohol pretty badly yesterday and still feel like shit.
I am trying to get on the suboxone program. Tomorrow the doc will call and let me know if I'm accepted. I'm worried that I won't get accepted or things wont work out or something. Maybe I'm just over anxious since I quit taking xanax a couple days ago. Do they urine test you for suboxone (I'm assuming so?). I'm trying to turn my life around and really need help. Any advice for new patients from some of you veterans? I'm sorry if I sound like an idiot I'm really educated about alot of drugs but suboxone\methadone and there associated programs not so much.
For those thinking about methadone the rest of the post is my experience. I fucking hate the concept of the methadone clinic (good for you if it works though).
I missed a couple appointments cause I was too drunk and overslept and they kicked me out before I ever got my first dose! I know I fucked up and needed to have my shit straight but thats why I was going to the damn clinic. Even the junkies at the intake said I looked the worst (WD's) and I was doing the right thing by joining. I can understand kicking me out if I fuck up while on the program but just for missing a couple of appoinments I'm temporarily banned or some shit? I'd rather do OC every day than put up with their shit. They also have a negative view of everyone that comes through. Your just a number to them they don't give a damn at the clinic near me. There is another clinic I heard is better and a tad closer but at $11 a day plus gas I'm not doing that shit unless I have to. Thats 4 dollars cheaper than a bag of H for god sake! The prices of all rehab and medications is ridiculous in the US even with insurance. I almost wish I were a little more broke so I could get medicaid.
I am trying to get on the suboxone program. Tomorrow the doc will call and let me know if I'm accepted. I'm worried that I won't get accepted or things wont work out or something. Maybe I'm just over anxious since I quit taking xanax a couple days ago. Do they urine test you for suboxone (I'm assuming so?). I'm trying to turn my life around and really need help. Any advice for new patients from some of you veterans? I'm sorry if I sound like an idiot I'm really educated about alot of drugs but suboxone\methadone and there associated programs not so much.
For those thinking about methadone the rest of the post is my experience. I fucking hate the concept of the methadone clinic (good for you if it works though).
I missed a couple appointments cause I was too drunk and overslept and they kicked me out before I ever got my first dose! I know I fucked up and needed to have my shit straight but thats why I was going to the damn clinic. Even the junkies at the intake said I looked the worst (WD's) and I was doing the right thing by joining. I can understand kicking me out if I fuck up while on the program but just for missing a couple of appoinments I'm temporarily banned or some shit? I'd rather do OC every day than put up with their shit. They also have a negative view of everyone that comes through. Your just a number to them they don't give a damn at the clinic near me. There is another clinic I heard is better and a tad closer but at $11 a day plus gas I'm not doing that shit unless I have to. Thats 4 dollars cheaper than a bag of H for god sake! The prices of all rehab and medications is ridiculous in the US even with insurance. I almost wish I were a little more broke so I could get medicaid.
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