Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[GreenMachine]

okay so i am a twenty-four year old male on my fourth year of suboxone treatment, on 4mgs a day since i started following a four year oxy/dope habit. i havent touched any other opiates really (only once or twice when i was very messed up in the last four years). everything is going really well for me, i just have to take my suboxone every day--eventually id like to get off but i am so stable now compared to where i used to be that i am kind of okay with being on suboxone maintenance. not to mention the reason i was originally prescribed oxy was the result of a bad back injury which i have not had surgery on, so there is also chronic pain that the subs help with.

anyways, ive basically been opiates including suboxone for eight years now, but in the last year i have started sweating absolutely profusely. almost every night i go out somewhere this summer a bunch of people ask if im alright because of the buckets i am sweating. i am 6'0 and 180 lbs, so pretty average size. may be a little out of shape compared to where i was physically the last year or so when i was getting regular exercise.

i am looking for ANYTHING to help me sweat less! i know sweating is a natural function of the body but when im trying to talk to chicks i dont really know i think it freaks them out a little ahahahaha. anyways, any tips would be appreciated. no other drugs in the picture other than a little weed and psychedelics. i drink a few nights a week, maybe more some weeks.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

So you would consider a decent painkiller ? I have had Talwin PX (no naloxone, canada doesn't allow to add ingredients to harm the patient even if they deviate from the original purpose...except for suboxone and it might be why we got it so late, 3 years ago tops) and I loved it, even the slightly hallucinogenic part of Talwin, but yeah anyway talwin is an agonist/antagonist by itself while bupe is a partial agonist right?

Well you're giving me hope, although the kind of pain I have had in my face (left jaw, trigeminal nerves, ear canal) all broken to different degrees in an embarassing accident, but one nonetheleess which when off any opiate causes me that having to eat is agony is even worse than most kind of back pain but you at least give me a slight hope it will work alright. So far only morphine (in large quantities as Kadian 130mg and MS-Contin 200mg, Statex 50mg, MS IR 30mg) augmented with 600-800 tagamet so I would actually feel the thing, oxycodone, hydrocodone (too large quantities needed, hydrocodone is almost only scripted for really bad cough from bronchitis / pneumonia etc.). My DOC for getting high was Dilaudid and in HM Contin when injeecting the material from thoroughly crushed beads would give me a lasting analgesia when snorted or IV'd only...i'd need to eat the highest dosage of MS Contin to feel pain relief (30mg) and considering how many doses there were in there when I wasn't shooting it was making babies sad all over the world so I became a slave to brand name Dillies the 4mg or the 8mg triangle of love ones I have to stop myself thinking about still , i'm successful in not going after it (didn't buy dilaudid in 6 months).

For the sweats I recommend Clonidine and if you are americans you guys happen to have an even better updated version of clonidine called Tenex. Look into it bro

 

[Pars101]

Is it okay to take Subutex after taking Oxycodone? I plan on taking the Subutex AFTER the effects of the oxycodone have end or are coming to an end. I am NOT physically addicted to opiates btw.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Is it okay to take Subutex after taking Oxycodone? I plan on taking the Subutex AFTER the effects of the oxycodone have end or are coming to an end. I am NOT physically addicted to opiates btw.

If you're not dependent on opiates, it is irrelevant how soon you take bupe. You can't get precipitated withdrawals if you aren't psychically addicted.

 

[Pars101]

So I will feel the effects of the Subutex? thanks for the help btw

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

So I will feel the effects of the Subutex? thanks for the help btw

Yeah. I mean, it wont be as euphoric as the oxy.. but yeah you should feel something if you don't have a tolerance.

 

[Pars101]

Ive done Subutex before recreationally, and I find it to be amazing. Of course it lacks the euphoria that H and oxy give, but it has the overall "opiateness". As long as I get that I am good lol, im just scared that I would be wasting the Sub by taking it after the Oxy.

But as long as it works then thats sick :D

 

[Zerrr]

Oblivion

You def cant swollow the pill, if you do it wont work.(I couldnt tell if you knew this or not)

You can sniff your sub and also use the alcohol thing I mentioned (nothing to do with drinking alcohol, you gonna have to search this) The sub you have will prob suck to snort. I only enjoyed snorting subutex. (pref mini H.T. version)

Pain relief depends on the person from what I have read. Some people say it works well, some say its nearly useless.

sorry to hear about the issues.

forgive me for not reading whole post originally, it was a bit long..

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Ive done Subutex before recreationally, and I find it to be amazing. Of course it lacks the euphoria that H and oxy give, but it has the overall "opiateness". As long as I get that I am good lol, im just scared that I would be wasting the Sub by taking it after the Oxy.

But as long as it works then thats sick :D

It's more like your wasting the oxy by taking the sub. Not the other way around.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Psychially...I like the sound of that.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

No problem buddy, I'd share my Dexedrine if I could so you could read my posts, which are often fueld by Dexedrine....it means it works right ?

Oblivion

You def cant swollow the pill, if you do it wont work.(I couldnt tell if you knew this or not)

You can sniff your sub and also use the alcohol thing I mentioned (nothing to do with drinking alcohol, you gonna have to search this) The sub you have will prob suck to snort. I only enjoyed snorting subutex. (pref mini H.T. version)

Pain relief depends on the person from what I have read. Some people say it works well, some say its nearly useless.

sorry to hear about the issues.

forgive me for not reading whole post originally, it was a bit long..

About the endocrine system being messed up by bupe, I found very very convincing studies not made by the makers of bupe pills that there's a lot LOT less chances of having problems with bupe than methadone..I wish I could find it right now, it was made at the Sigmund Freud university in germany. I even printed it and brought it to the doctors. He agreed with most of it, he didn't read all of it but he said he knew that there was very much less chances of that happening, he says that is the wording he tells his switching patients who change for those reasons "very much less chances".

Anyway I don't have much objections to SC testosterone into me once a week, I feel very much more alive and my thoughts come a lot more straight up and my voice deepened back to the way it always until I started to get sick.....now if only the endocrinologist would stop fucking around and call me for my appointment so I can be scripted the prednisone/prednisolone/hydrocortisone and i think there's a fourth option too pill wise. I hope it will be prednisolone, when I had it due to pneumonia in 2010 with antibiotics that actually don't suck shit and aren't dangerous like the fluoroquinolones (the pneumologist removed the horrible Avelox the ER gave me for Cefzil which was miraculous and side effects free) and the prednisolone pills I had to take and ween myself off from then, unfortunately were making me so goddamn alive, I had so much energy and at the same time sleep came easy.

Didn't mean to double post, sorry bout that.

 

[Slum Survivor]

Yes, I've gone down in dosage enough to be able to go 24 hours without methadone, its not pleasant, but its not the end of the world, with benzos its easily doable, i'm 41mg. My doctor says that skipping a day of methadone then swithing to bupe at the hospital for a day where they look at how i will do, and also visit them the next day to see if i need more than 4mg...etc. anyway I won't repeat everything. What you are talking about is about people who do not get to low doses enough of methadone before switching without much supervision from their addiction clinic and or are forced to do it like me due to the methadone fucking my endocrine system or other health problems and the doctors become inconsiderate and say just take nothing for a day even if someone is at 160mg..etc. One of my favourite opiate addiction doc was the one who set up the plan to switch to suboxone with me and he says he only saw 2 people have precipitated withdrawal in his 12 years of practice of being a methadone/sub doc. Now if my actual questions get answered it'd be awesome.


edit : this place (BL) rarely ever contains e-drama of this sort, if you aren't happy with somebody hit the Report button and the mods will take the action necessary. I suggest going to the Lounge if you want to troll each other.

just wanna add... right on the sheet for the COWS induction scale, the info that comes with it says to try and wait at least 72 hours between last dose of methadone and starting sub. im sure its different for everyone tho... but id hate to see you suffer making the switch. p/w is way worse than regular w/d

by the way, id drop the attitude. i was only trying to help. and of course that dr is going to tell u that. whats he gonna say? oh yeah ive had hundreds of patients suffer thru p/w at my hands.

if i can have p/w issues from straight dope even at 24 hours or more, then people certainly could have issues going from done to subs without waiting even longer.

thats all im trying to tell you. man methadone seems to make people irritable and stuff. i see it all the time in online forums and even in person. sry its fuckin u up... thats not fun to be forced to make the switch

 

[Pars101]

It's more like your wasting the oxy by taking the sub. Not the other way around.

Well id be taking the Subutex AFTER my Oxycodone high.

Btw I did 40mg of Oxycodone at 4:20pm. It is now 18:17pm. I plan on taking another 40mg of Oxycodone at around 8pm is that safe? because I know 80mg is a lethal dose for someone that has no tolerance, but my doses are spread out.

Thanks for the help

 

[SleepyFish]

I have a friend who has been on suboxone for a bout a week (2-3mg a day). She doesn't like the way it makes her feel (out of it, tired, sweating at night). She took her last dose of it about 24 hours ago. How long before she can take 10mg of oxy? will that cause her to get sick? thanks

 

[Pars101]

I have a friend who has been on suboxone for a bout a week (2-3mg a day). She doesn't like the way it makes her feel (out of it, tired, sweating at night). She took her last dose of it about 24 hours ago. How long before she can take 10mg of oxy? will that cause her to get sick? thanks

So is your friend addicted? if she is shes just making excuses to relapse. Dont let her dude Ive heard you should wait 3 days. But let the moderator answer!

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

just wanna add... right on the sheet for the COWS induction scale, the info that comes with it says to try and wait at least 72 hours between last dose of methadone and starting sub. im sure its different for everyone tho... but id hate to see you suffer making the switch. p/w is way worse than regular w/d

by the way, id drop the attitude. i was only trying to help. and of course that dr is going to tell u that. whats he gonna say? oh yeah ive had hundreds of patients suffer thru p/w at my hands.

if i can have p/w issues from straight dope even at 24 hours or more, then people certainly could have issues going from done to subs without waiting even longer.

thats all im trying to tell you. man methadone seems to make people irritable and stuff. i see it all the time in online forums and even in person. sry its fuckin u up... thats not fun to be forced to make the switch

In-fucking-deed, it had to fuck my pituitary gland like the unlucky being I am.

I'm aware, but my doctor says that he switched people at 45mg and less with no problem...I don't have an attitude, I just can't go back now, anyway, i know that right now at 41mg I am able to skip a day of methadone totally and it starts to feel shitty after 2 days and 41mg is barely holding me 14-15 hours...he assured me I won't go into precipitated withdrawal then, he said he only saw 2 people during a switch at the hospital go into that and they were at 60mg +. I'm gonna trust him on that one, I got no choice. And i'm pretty sure he is right anyway, given the evidence I have laid here about how 41mg of done is treating me and how I can endure a day with none with some benzos, clonidine and not being annoyed by people (irl) of course

Considering the low dosage I have to stop taking, the 36 hour wait or so (they won't give me the bupe right away, they'll wait till i am sick as a dog the second day after not taking the done, which I know will happen..and i'll be fed 4mg then) I have trust I'll do fine...he said not to book my following week (the switch is on a monday/tuesday i gotta show up again to tell about how I feel and if more is needed) for anything because I won't be in an awesome mood and it might be a little tough and then 2 weeks later I'll see them again if whatever mg they'll up me to on tuesday). It's all good man, I know you don't want me and I don't want anyone to get precipitated wd, but I think me and my doctors have calculated this one right, unlike a month ago when they were ready to take me inpatient after me going from 47mg, taking half that the day before, show up there and somehow they expected me to be just fine then and I said no way I want to be dropped further, the annoyed new doc chick who seemed annoyed by this although cool in some ways, she's a metalhead/real hardcore punk person which made the straight up talk between us very easy, she dropped me to 44mg then 2 weeks later to 41 and thats where I am, and indeed I couldn't endure only 41 if i didn't have benzos, clonidine, hydroxyzine yadayada.

 

[Crazyeighths]

Thats the trade off when moving down south from nyc. The doctors in nyc are trying to maintain upscale lifestyle, your condition is meaningless to them. Down south you might find doctors who actually listen and treat patients. I'm born and bred nyc so this is my comfort zone. Recent problems with treatment here have me thinking about a move south or west, or to europe lol. That monthly sub cost is a killer, specially over many years. We found ways to get it free here but alot of redtape and bullshit. Depends where you go for treatment. Some places are soo strict, piss tests weekly, 2 days a week group therapy so those spots we avoid. In chronic pain cases why would I need group therapy. Then we have the crooked dr's who just milk the system, never talk to you and just hand out scrips.

You hit the nail on the head, there. I was in New York for school (lived in Manhattan and Brooklyn for 4 years) and will probably be coming back soon. I'm from the south, but I love it so much more there. Sure, the hospitality, etc. is nice, but scarcity of drugs and the prices once you find them make it virtually impossible to be an addict (probably not a bad thing, but still). You can't even buy rigs here without some sort of proof that you're a diabetic (unless you run into a friendly, and naive pharmacy employee). The suboxone thing is great, but since I only have to go in for a checkup every six months, I can live pretty much anywhere I like. My sub doc in the city was the latter you mentioned. The office was located basically right in Times Square (what a pain in the ass it was to go there WEEKLY and sometimes twice a week!) It was pay your monthly half a grand in cash, have a thirty second convo with the doc about the weather, and get your script. They had weekly 'group therapy' sessions that they claimed you must attend once or twice a month, but I never went and I don't think anyone else did either. All I wanted was the script, so no huge complaints here- but man, that's fucked up that they can just pimp out their sub license to anyone who can throw a few hundred in cash their way.

 

[ellua]

Someone new like me who types in these very search results, "Suboxone and pregnancy" and finds "opinions" such as Mr. Ramsey is surely to be turned off completely from seeking any kind of treatment. For his reaction is the VERY fear she has. Sucks to be her though. Not your fault though. Just keep it moving eh?
I've been reading your posts for days and they have been so helpful. Imagine my disappointment? By the way, I am a middle class college educated woman who takes suboxone. I've had two healthy babies and breastfed them both. I am alive to be their mother because of this med. And I'm so grateful my husband of 12 years didn't tell me to just keep it movin' sweetheart.

Thank you Zwanya for speaking up. You worded it much more eloquently than I could.

minnie & zwanya, glad sharing my experience has helped! its unfortunate that we face judgement on a site like bl. I really hope it wont scare anyone off from actually getting treatment while pregnant- for one thing, if a woman keeps using street drugs and the baby is tested for drugs (as is standard practice in some states), cps is involved and may take the baby away.

minnie good to hear you BFed on subs too, I think too many moms assume its not an option and dont even ask their docs. the only people who are surprised I bfed on subutex are the ones who have no idea how it works. I think its important to share the bfing successes on this med.

oblivion, just because a topic (an important one at that, in need of MORE people willing to speak up about) doesnt pertain to you doesnt make it "trolling".

on another topic now... anyone know if the captain decided to taper yet, and if so how its going?

 

[Minnie2013]

minnie & zwanya, glad sharing my experience has helped! its unfortunate that we face judgement on a site like bl. I really hope it wont scare anyone off from actually getting treatment while pregnant- for one thing, if a woman keeps using street drugs and the baby is tested for drugs (as is standard practice in some states), cps is involved and may take the baby away.

minnie good to hear you BFed on subs too, I think too many moms assume its not an option and dont even ask their docs. the only people who are surprised I bfed on subutex are the ones who have no idea how it works. I think its important to share the bfing successes on this med.

oblivion, just because a topic (an important one at that, in need of MORE people willing to speak up about) doesnt pertain to you doesnt make it "trolling".

on another topic now... anyone know if the captain decided to taper yet, and if so how its going?

I was afraid to say anything on the subject after my last post. I will say there's a world of information more accessible now with regard to suboxone/ subutex in pregnancy and breast feeding. Subutex is by far the better option than suboxone for these. Now that I'm out of the childbearing business, my doctor switched me to the expensive suboxone. But I'm still grateful. My babies are hearty and happy.

 

[RodRamsey]

Hurray for babies lol yaaaay!!!! Congrats for real and good luck. Maybe there should be a seperate thread going into more detail about this suboxone pregnancy issue. Most posters in this Suboxone thread are new to subs or trying to taper. Your questions regarding pregnancy with suboxone might get a better response if it was organized in a specific thread pertaining to said subject. Either that or keep ranting and raving on here haaaa mixing up subjects.