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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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Couldn't agree more. Less is more is the way to go.. I got my doc to up my dose so really I could stay at the same mg secretly and just use the extra to splurge every other day. You said you would mainly go from H to subs but have you ever done it the other way? I can't find many answers on this but I have been at a low dose of .50 for the past 6 days and I'm wanting to take a few hydros to tie me over for the next 5 days until I get a refill on my sub script.

Basically I want to bounce from sub to hydro and back to sub
Do you or anyone else think I would experience blockage (all I have are a couple weak sauce 5mg hydros) taking these after a .50 dose for the past 6 days?
 
It is such a bad idea to bounce back and forth to sub and dope.

I agree. I used to do the back and forth thing when I first got on Suboxone, but all in all, here's why it's not worth it: you have to make sure you can be patient enough to go through acute withdrawal of the full agonist again, before taking Suboxone again. At least, to be on the safe side, you have to.

After time went on I gained a good understanding of how my body processes heroin and how long it actually takes before I would need to go back on Suboxone. It's going to be unique for everyone; I have never experienced precipitated withdrawal.

My advice: stay on Suboxone, stay stabilized, and go from there. You'll be happier not having to go through acute withrdawals.
 
And the guilt

^ nothing to feel guilty over to be honest. The more guilt you feel, the worse self-esteem, the more likely you are to relapse; maybe not every addict but more often than not, using their DOC reinforces their self-esteem/feelings of happiness, etc.

It's better just to admit that you fucked up, or slipped up, however you want to put it, and that you still have the rest of your life to get back on track and you can get back on track in no time. It's all about will power and determination. It takes just as much will power and determination to relapse/use in the first place, it just takes a changing perspective of what you want for yourself to shift gears into getting better. :)

It's also important to address why you are using, and to make sure that you feel good about yourself without drugs. It's good to forgive yourself for things you have done in the past - as long as you have learned from these experiences. In this sense, there's no reason to feel guilty about using or a relapse, as long as you are making the progress you need to recover.

Some people have posted the idea before that relapsing can be part of a recovery, sometimes using the drug again can have negative effects from too intense of a dosage or from side effects, etc. - eventually the person can be put off from using it due to experiences like this (it has happened to me).

Another word of advice to everyone here trying to taper on Suboxone or to get off it/opiates all together, make sure that you have an active life outside of drug use, including having sex, exercising, eating well, taking good care of yourself, having hobbies/activities you enjoy, socializing with friends and family aka your support network, etc. It's also a great idea to have someone know what you're going through; have a small group of people who are understanding of what you're trying to accomplish for yourself, and can help you out if needed.

I just wanted to share all of this because I have been doing incredibly well for myself cutting back on Suboxone drastically, and I am planning to be off of this drug eventually.
 
Couldn't agree more. Less is more is the way to go.. I got my doc to up my dose so really I could stay at the same mg secretly and just use the extra to splurge every other day. You said you would mainly go from H to subs but have you ever done it the other way? I can't find many answers on this but I have been at a low dose of .50 for the past 6 days and I'm wanting to take a few hydros to tie me over for the next 5 days until I get a refill on my sub script.

Basically I want to bounce from sub to hydro and back to sub
Do you or anyone else think I would experience blockage (all I have are a couple weak sauce 5mg hydros) taking these after a .50 dose for the past 6 days?

Wait 24hrs then take the hydro but its not gonna do too much for u I wouldn't think. Sub is just much more potent than hydro. Then goin back to Sub just wait 12-24 hrs from last hydro before continuing sub.
 
12 hours after your last sub dose if you aren't on some obscene amount, you should feel some sort of opiate buzz, and likely you will be disappointed in the euphoria department. Break off at .05 wait a 24 or 36 and you will have more pleasure due to the "relief" of padding withdrawals. If ur gonna use sub, hydrocodone will no longer be what it once was...I found it lackluster. Bup brought those receptors to a different threshold that honestly hydro can't mess with. Just a relief from sub withdrawal and the physical itching and warmth..mentally the high isn't as intoxicating. Does that make sense?

Usually I'm adament about breaking up my ideas and paragraphs so excuse me if I rambled here. Visited doctor today, and am feeling quite pleasant from a good day of full sub dosing.. inspired by the norm.
 
I agree. I used to do the back and forth thing when I first got on Suboxone, but all in all, here's why it's not worth it: you have to make sure you can be patient enough to go through acute withdrawal of the full agonist again, before taking Suboxone again. At least, to be on the safe side, you have to.

After time went on I gained a good understanding of how my body processes heroin and how long it actually takes before I would need to go back on Suboxone. It's going to be unique for everyone; I have never experienced precipitated withdrawal.

My advice: stay on Suboxone, stay stabilized, and go from there. You'll be happier not having to go through acute withrdawals.

Couldn't have said it better. All about medical proper induction of the medication.
 
Hey, if I take low enough dose of bupe (i.e. 0.5mg i.v.), will codeine on top of it work? I'm interested in a mix
 
I have my Suboxone induction scheduled for 9am tomorrow. I've never taken it before and have been researching it online for months. I'm terrified of so many aspects of it, I would really appreciate some kind words right now. My fiancé and I have shared a nasty Percocet addiction for the past 5 years and I'm finally attempting to improve our quality of life. He isn't. I want this to work so bad but I don't know if I'm strong enough to resist the temptation of relapsing when he's going to be using right in front of me everyday. I'm rambling, but not a single person in my life knows about our addiction. I guess I'm just hoping a kindred spirit will read this and offer some words of encouragement.
 
Everything will be alright. I've been on subs for six years btw. I know how scary it is to give up your onee solace and Di e into the unknown. The cycle won't end until you make a serious stand for.yourself. At first I only used them when I had nothing else. It didn't help that all of the addicts in rehab put it down so much so I looked at it as shitty aout of the gate. Now that I don't cheat its great, never have to worry spending time/money for shit, I'm never sick and it makes it easier to resist cravings imo. Everything will work out if you're serious. Good luck
 
I have my Suboxone induction scheduled for 9am tomorrow. I've never taken it before and have been researching it online for months. I'm terrified of so many aspects of it, I would really appreciate some kind words right now. My fiancé and I have shared a nasty Percocet addiction for the past 5 years and I'm finally attempting to improve our quality of life. He isn't. I want this to work so bad but I don't know if I'm strong enough to resist the temptation of relapsing when he's going to be using right in front of me everyday. I'm rambling, but not a single person in my life knows about our addiction. I guess I'm just hoping a kindred spirit will read this and offer some words of encouragement.

Try to look at it as a new beginning. Suboxone lifestyle options..for me..blows a Percocet addicted life out of the water.
Just follow medical advice and be as honest as possible about how you feel withdrawal wise before you start.
Look at it as a chance to change for the better.
 
I don't want to leave him without giving it a chance. He was hit by a car and left with a fractured shoulder and nerve damage so he legitimitely needss painkillers. I told him to keep them out of my sight and not to talk about them at all. I just left the doctor's office and I feel fucked up. Like really high. Is this normal? If so, how long will I feel like this? I have to go to work in twenty minutes and I feel like I'm going to start nodding. Should I grab a coffee or will this mess with the Suboxone? He gave me an 8mg strip, waited half an hour, and then gave me another one.
 
I don't want to leave him without giving it a chance. He was hit by a car and left with a fractured shoulder and nerve damage so he legitimitely needss painkillers. I told him to keep them out of my sight and not to talk about them at all. I just left the doctor's office and I feel fucked up. Like really high. Is this normal? If so, how long will I feel like this? I have to go to work in twenty minutes and I feel like I'm going to start nodding. Should I grab a coffee or will this mess with the Suboxone? He gave me an 8mg strip, waited half an hour, and then gave me another one.

16mg is a large dosage; I think it's OK to feel high at this dosage. You don't have to take so much in the future. :)

It's good to know that you're feeling the effects though and it's working for you.
 
.5mg IV is like 4-6mg SL which is definitely enough to block for 12+ hrs

More like equal to 1.5mg SL, since the BA of SL bupe is 33% as opposed to the 100% BA of IV bupe or 60% BA of intranasal bupe.

I would say the most dangerous bupe doses are those approaching the norbupe (full agonist) MuOR ceiling, which is less than or equal to 4mg SL, <2mg snorted, or <1mg IV, since at these doses, there isn't enough bupe (competitive partial agonist, safer than norbupe) to outcompete the norbupe, and the norbupe saturates the receptors at these doses.

^ Here's the conversion to hydro or oxy... 0.3 mg IV bupe = 1mg SL bupe = 0.7mg intranasal bupe = 30mg hydrocodone = 20mg oxycodone (oral)
 
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What do u exactly mean ErgicMergic? Does it mean that by lowering the i.v. dosage, you get more full agonism from norbupe, actually? i.e. getting higher?
 
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