Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[ThePharmicist]

Good for you. I think the suboxone will make your life much more enjoyable and healthy and productive etc etc etc....

Your actually lucky you were able to quit at the 100$/day mark.....it took me a couple more years past that before I was able to quit. (of course its kind of hard to keep using when your in jail)....DAMN that as a painful withdrawal!

I've been on Suboxone for over a year at this point, I just jumped back on it from dope. I fell into a deep, deep relapse and I'm just finally getting my shit straight again. I've been spending too much money and my job is in jeopardy (I think) because of my using at this point. The daily hustle is just too much for me, but lady dope just keeps pulling me back in, telling me that it's okay.

You can feel her arms wrap around your body when you push the plunger down - she gives you a warm, soft hug. Then you wake up in the morning she's always gone, but you find an excuse to go find your wonderful lover again.

 

[allenair]

Ok... been in Sub for about 2 months (Dr started me at 16 mg!!! did that for 2 days then went down to 2mg twice daily) which seems to maintain things just fine.

Had a small relapse today and IV'd 2 - 60 mg Morphine tabs. Tomorrow I will undoubtedly wake up in withdrawal from the full agonist morphine. So by tomorrow night I would like to take some sub so I can sleep and be semi normal for my family reunion on Sunday. Question is - will IV'n the SUboxone be the best way to wash the full agonists off the receptors and minimize precipitated withdrawal? Or - Sub w/alcohol method? Or insufflation? First slip off the wagon and bad timing due to family reunion. There will be many eyes on me looking for the old signs of abuse that is nowhere near a family secret. I have read through the thread and see a lot of diff opinions on this, but was hoping a few might have an answer like "yes - I did the exact same thing and this is what works). I am leaning towards IV'n but would feel better about this with some feedback.

Thanks for any advice.

 

[Paulination]

I know you guys are saying that a high dose of suboxone is a bad idea for some people, for me im just glad i get 32mg suboxone a day, not because i take it all but because i have a buffer incase im not able to pick up my months supply. they thing is i think people are always looking for that big dose. you know if someone said that the normal dose is 24 mg and they put you on 2mg now wouldnt you just be a little pissed that your getting a lower dose than everyone else? i guess im just really glad im on a high dose. since i have insurance the co-pay wouldnt change even if i went from 32mg to 8mg so ill take my moneys worth i guess

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Hey Captain do any of the chemicals in the inactives of the strips you looked up gel up that you know of?

I ask because on another forum there is talk that as the strip dissolves in your mouth it gums up. Below is one of the quotes about it:



They are claiming that it is similar to the way some pills gel and they are speculating that it was done on purpose so you cannot IV em, thus fitting into the claim all the Reps. are making about them being much less abusable.

I don't believe they gel at all, only because I know that other pills with the exact same ingredients (minus the white ink...) do not gel.

If you stick a pill underneath your tongue, it'll get sticky, especially if you are cotton-mouthed from being stoned or are on amphetamines, etc.

Its kind of ironic... getting on suboxone to stop abusing drugs, but then abusing suboxone which was prescribed to stop a abusing drugs. Why not just take a higher dose the proper way than trying to up bioavailability by snorting or iving subs?

Not bashing you guys I just think its ironic.

Abusing Suboxone is not possible. I say this because you can try, but it does not have the same dose/effects curve that heroin, or other full agonist opiates, do.

Suboxone actually works better with smaller doses. Repeatedly dosing every 30 minutes does not give more positive effects (it isn't like crack/cocaine), increasing your dose constantly does not work (it isn't like heroin/other full agonist opiates), and overall, too much will produce negative side effects (I have reviewed what this would entail previously in this thread).

Merely using a drug via IV use, or snorting it, isn't abuse in my opinion.

I can't say they didn't change the taste 100% because I never actually took the pills sublingual only snorted or iv'd them, but actually looking at the ingredients the pills have artificial sweetener and lemon lime flavor while the strips only have lime flavor and no asparteme.

They replaced the Aspartame potassium with maltitol, another artificial sweetener.

 

[allenair]

Ok... been in Sub for about 2 months (Dr started me at 16 mg!!! did that for 2 days then went down to 2mg twice daily) which seems to maintain things just fine.

Had a small relapse today and IV'd 2 - 60 mg Morphine tabs. Tomorrow I will undoubtedly wake up in withdrawal from the full agonist morphine. So by tomorrow night I would like to take some sub so I can sleep and be semi normal for my family reunion on Sunday. .

CAPTAIN HEROIN

Thanks for reply. I looked up half life of Morphine and found it to be 2-3 hours. So really... I should be fine by tomorrow afternoon (which would make it about 24 hours since IV Morphine) to take some sub? I am sure I will know by withdrawal symptoms, but withdrawal is such a subjective thing and effected by state of mind. Which with my limited timeline until family reunion I suspect will be anxious.

Thanks for any comments!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

CAPTAIN HEROIN

Thanks for reply. I looked up half life of Morphine and found it to be 2-3 hours. So really... I should be fine by tomorrow afternoon (which would make it about 24 hours since IV Morphine) to take some sub? I am sure I will know by withdrawal symptoms, but withdrawal is such a subjective thing and effected by state of mind. Which with my limited timeline until family reunion I suspect will be anxious.

Thanks for any comments!

Yes, you would be fine by 24 hours.

You would probably be OK before then too but 24 hours is a good time length to work on.

 

[Paulination]

"red"]Hey guys i just wanted to say that ive started to update my thread about ketoconazole potentiation of suboxone i would like to keep updating it weekly but im busy so i might just be saying monthly, and its not just for ketoconazole anymore really. its for everything that can potentiate suboxone and subutex, also i found a golden egg called DAMGO its an synthetic opiod peptide its only in experimental studies right now but it has been shown to reverse tolerance to opiods .if you take it with your opiod of choice you would supposedly not develop a tolerance for quite some time. im not sure how long or how much you would need to take. But i truly believe that this could be our salvation for all opiod users out there

 

[SkagKush]

well thats pretty interesting, the red hurts to read tho, i wonder what kind of side effects damgo has.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAMGO damgo link

 

[cballhp]

What would be a good starter dose to IV if 16mg daily sublingual is the maintenance dose? Also being that IV is 100% BA and Sublingual anywhere from 13-30% is it safe to assume that the dose needed to maintain using IV ROA will be up to 80% less?

 

[jamesBrown]

I always reccommend IV'ing around 0.5-1 mg's. Give it a try for a few days, and then see what kind of euphorical benefits you experience. I do this on a daily basis.

 

[homeydontplaythat]

.3mg IV = 1mg SL


go from there.

 

[jamesBrown]

your from LA homey??? I know this is off topic but I had to mention....I was born there. I love that city(or rather collection of cities) Santa Monica!...represent!...sry...that was kinda stupid.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Just took a little sub after a few days clean from any h. Feeling euphoriated

 

[cballhp]

Thanks James and Homey appreciate it.

Few more questions though, I have seen it mentioned before about micron filters but I do not have those nor am I able to get any right now so what is a good way to filter it and do I need to heat it up at all like one would with some H?

 

[jamesBrown]

If your talking about IV'ing suboxone, then no, do not heat the solution. That will just dissolve more inactives/binders into the solution that could potentially cause harm.

And if you dont have a micron filter, your next best bet would probably be to fill a needle up to about 30 units full of compacted cotton, and coffee filters. And then you can filter your solution through that needle. It usually comes out MUCH clearer than if you simply filtered through a cotton on a spoon. If you need more details about how to do this correctly, feel free to ask. but if you want, it has been discussed many times on BL so you could search for it and find more details that way as well.

 

[Paulination]

hmm im curious, since it says that buprenorphine is slightly soluble in water approximatley 17mg/ml, when you filter it with cotton would it stay in the cotton or would it pass right through?

 

[shanefrommaine]

hmm im curious, since it says that buprenorphine is slightly soluble in water approximatley 17mg/ml, when you filter it with cotton would it stay in the cotton or would it pass right through?

There's 8mg in Suboxone, that pill has a bunch of extra junk used to bind the pill and hold it together. When you are using normal cottons in a spoon and drawing up the Suboxone solution, fairly good amount of junk is left behind the filter. But yes it does pass through the cotton into the IV... it is water soluble.

 

[DkBlaze1]

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Can anyone tell me at What dose does lowering Your bupe dose stop getting you more euphoria. like im at . 5 mg shot twice daily. so at what point will I b on such a low dose IF I double dose I will feel super jammed. I need to find that dose. If I could take a daily dose that gave me the euphoria, I get now from a .5 shot (2TImes daily). BUt also be able to double what ever dose this magic dose is and get a huge diffrence and feel jammed. THen IF ANyone knows what dose This Is PLease PLEASE let me know ASAP VIA PM and or respond to my post on this thread... Thank you

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sorry for the Caps and such but This Question everyone needs to see. And I Relize that everyone is diffrent But since It is a chemical and such there should be a point that for everyone this will b the case so all Im asking is were is that Thresh hold area . . .. . THank you

 

[PoppyLlama]

if youre doing .5 mg i would try going down to .2-.3, you might even feel more euphoric once you metabolize it into norbuprenorphine and that binds to your receptors

 

[jamesBrown]

yea everyones "sweet spot" dose is different. Some people maximize the norbuprenorphines euphoria at around 0.3-0.7mg's. Some peoples sweet spot is lower or higher. You just gotta figure it out for yourself. Mine is around 0.3-0.5mg's.