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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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you guys are freaks! that shit tastes so gross. wow.

google suboxone film and taste. you will see that the two biggest improvements are the taste profile and rate of dissolution. im thinking ill ask my dr for them next time i see her, just to try em out.
 
hey guys I started a thread but it got shot down, so I'll just ask the people I trust My sub doc currently prescribes me suboxone and xanax and that has worked well. Recently I've noticed my anxiety coming out more and more, and I definitely don't want to take my xanax more than very rarely( I'm only prescribed 15mg per month). So what would be good for this? Lrica? Gabapentin? Tramadol? I would really like for it to synergize nicely with subs as well me and my doctor are close so I could ask for something, within reason.

I've been on them for at least 5 months and I still have hot/cold flashes so I was going to ask him about that if anyone has any suggestions.

This thread is amazing and I love all the input from the more experienced sub peeps (CH)
 
I never actually used an old suboxone under the tongue so I can't really compare it but the new strip does taste nasty still and Im pretty sure it is just the same as the pills, it just dissolves faster and there is less of it so it isnt as bad, still bitter lemon lime ish though.

I tried IV'ing it yesterday, I cut off 1/4 of it and dissolved that in 1 CC then I drew up half of it and drew up more water to dilute it more. And filtered a few times and it came out pretty clear with just a slight tint. So I shot 1 mg, it works but I dunno it doesn't seem like it would be good for you though. Does anyone have the ingredient list for it?

One thing I noticed is that when I hold it up to light the film is speckled with dark spots all over, which makes me wonder if the film isn't the drug or if the drug is sprinkled in to it(which would mean it wouldn't be 100% accurate to cut it in to pieces) or maybe the specks aren't actually the drug idk.
 
wait, they didnt change the taste? fuckers! so they are saying the taste profile is better simply because there is way less material to have in your mouth. goddamn it! of all the sublingual/chewable meds ive ever tasted this shit is the worst. jamesbrown, i owe you an apology.....jerk. hehe.
 
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jamesBrown said:
***Im also not addicted to my suboxone like how EVERYONE is who take it in higher doses. Because im on a low dose, i can stop taking it ANYTIME with no withdrawals. I think that all those people who take high dose suboxone and who cant get off of it without a LOOOONG taper...those are the people that are "abusing" suboxone more than I am. Those are the people who are addicted to there medication....not me. I live my life happy and enjoy the effects I have taught myself to obtain from low dose suboxone....just because I have knowledge of a bettter way of using a medication, doesnt mean im abusing anything. In fact MORE people should be taking suboxone like me.
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I'm pretty sure you're on subs maintenance straight from an opiate addiction... right??

If so... I feel it's important to point out you are one of the lucky few who are able to stop low dose subs with no WD's. I've seen similar posts from a few others at BL and another forum who confirm what you say.

However, from what I know, most people who use subs for ORT will have wd's when they quit. The severity usually varies with factors such as duration of opiate use, amount of time on ORT, maintenance dose, level of dose when quitting, age, health...etc. Mental attitude is also important. Someone young and healthy with less use will generally have a much easier time than someone like myself [58 yrs old] who has been on/off MMT since 20yo... First time on MMT was 1972. Most recently I was on MMT continuously for 15 1/2 yrs before switching to subs.

Over the last couple of yrs I've spoken directly with a dozen or more [mostly] young veterans who've tapered off subs. Just about all dropped from a dose less than 1mg. Only a couple of these guys are no longer in the program... so I assume they were successful or else using again. The rest are back on subs because either they couldn't handle the wd's, weren't ready to stop, or else failed because they went back to their DOC.

From personal experience... several mos ago I tapered to .25mg and stayed there for a couple of weeks. When I tried to quit, the WD's were horrible and after about 40 hrs I broke and started back. It felt so good to get the subs back in my system. I think my age and duration of use, were factors in my unsuccesful attempt along with not having enough motivation and dedication. I also didn't use a good strategy including exercise, support, comfort meds... etc. I couldn't handle the insomnia, RLS, nausea, and irritablity. The headaches and other physical pains were tolerable. Anyway, I'm now on 1mg which works well for me.

Once again.. I believe you are extremely fortunate for two reasons.

1. You still get euphoria from bupe even though you've used it for a length of time.

2. You're able to go off and on subs with no wd's.

Thats a hell ova one-two combination to be thankful for. I'd pay a lot of money for my own body/mind to work like yours... and I hope this continues indefinitely for you.
 
the wd from bupe is horrible. i would prefer kicking heroin to bupe. they arent that severe but they DO NOT STOP...EVER. the Paws is just never ending. after 3 months if you are still walking around with your butthole sweating, anxious, and just not feeling right in your skin there is NO way you are going to stay clean. you have to get well, i mean cmon. its fucking absurd. tapering does not help either. you can go down to .1mg and still suffer. the longer you are on it the worse. i dont think i will ever understand how though its much weaker than methadone i could see someone walking away from done more easily than bupe.

i become suicidal if i dont take my bupe for 1 week. its that bad. i just feel so shitty and the anxiety starts burning in my stomach. i can take pain, granted the pain will eventually stop. this shit just never stops.
 
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I'm pretty sure you're on subs maintenance straight from an opiate addiction... right??

If so... I feel it's important to point out you are one of the lucky few who are able to stop low dose subs with no WD's. I've seen similar posts from a few others at BL and another forum who confirm what you say.

However, from what I know, most people who use subs for ORT will have wd's when they quit. The severity usually varies with factors such as duration of opiate use, amount of time on ORT, maintenance dose, level of dose when quitting, age, health...etc. Mental attitude is also important. Someone young and healthy with less use will generally have a much easier time than someone like myself [58 yrs old] who has been on/off MMT since 20yo... First time on MMT was 1972. Most recently I was on MMT continuously for 15 1/2 yrs before switching to subs.

Over the last couple of yrs I've spoken directly with a dozen or more [mostly] young veterans who've tapered off subs. Just about all dropped from a dose less than 1mg. Only a couple of these guys are no longer in the program... so I assume they were successful or else using again. The rest are back on subs because either they couldn't handle the wd's, weren't ready to stop, or else failed because they went back to their DOC.

From personal experience... several mos ago I tapered to .25mg and stayed there for a couple of weeks. When I tried to quit, the WD's were horrible and after about 40 hrs I broke and started back. It felt so good to get the subs back in my system. I think my age and duration of use, were factors in my unsuccesful attempt along with not having enough motivation and dedication. I also didn't use a good strategy including exercise, support, comfort meds... etc. I couldn't handle the insomnia, RLS, nausea, and irritablity. The headaches and other physical pains were tolerable. Anyway, I'm now on 1mg which works well for me.

Once again.. I believe you are extremely fortunate for two reasons.

1. You still get euphoria from bupe even though you've used it for a length of time.

2. You're able to go off and on subs with no wd's.

Thats a hell ova one-two combination to be thankful for. I'd pay a lot of money for my own body/mind to work like yours... and I hope this continues indefinitely for you.
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You are right, most people who are on suboxone maintanence DO have withdrawals(usually long and painfull ones) when they quit. And I also agree that the severity of the withdrawals depends on alot of factors such as what dose you drop off at, how long you were using opiates, how long you were on suboxone maintanence, how old you are, etc, etc, etc.....

But, in ALOT of those instances where the withdrawal for those people is very painful and long, I think that that could have been avoided by taking a few extra measures that I am also "preaching" to people on maintanence all the time.

For one, those people should have been "maintaining" on a MUUUCH lower dose.....the average suboxone user takes 12-32 mg's a day. Yes, thats right, the average suboxone user takes WAAAAY more than is necessary, and actually, its waaay more than is effective(atleast efficiently effective). If these people would have been taking less than 1 mg for the entire time they were taking suboxone(or atleast starting very soon aftre they got on subs) than that would make a MASSIVE difference in process of getting off the subs. Most of these people take a 12-32mg dose(on average) EVERY DAY of there maintanence, and then over a period of only a few weeks(sometimes a few months) lower there dose to something like 1-3mg's, and then jump off from there. NO shit you will have horrible withdrawals!!! You need to have been on a dose smaller than 1 mg for MUUUUUUUUCH longer than just a few weeks or sometimes just after a few days at only 1 mg these people jump off. thats not how this drug works.
If they had been at 1 mg during there maintanence, than they could have lowered there dose to 0.5 mg, then .25 mg's VERY quickly.....and still enjoyed euphorical benefits from the suboxone, if not MORE benfetis from the higher dose....and then when they decide to get off, they would have been at a dose of less than 1 mg for a LOOOOONG time. THAT is what makes the difference.....dropping down to 1 mg for only 2 weeks and then quitting DOES NOT CUT IT. This drugs half life is massive and if you are taking massiv doses the majority of your maintanence, then it will take you much much longer than only 2 weeks at your jump off dose to actually quit qithout withdrawals.
 
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the wd from bupe is horrible. i would prefer kicking heroin to bupe. they arent that severe but they DO NOT STOP...EVER. the Paws is just never ending. after 3 months if you are still walking around with your butthole sweating, anxious, and just not feeling right in your skin there is NO way you are going to stay clean. you have to get well, i mean cmon. its fucking absurd. tapering does not help either. you can go down to .1mg and still suffer. the longer you are on it the worse. i dont think i will ever understand how though its much weaker than methadone i could see someone walking away from done more easily than bupe.

i become suicidal if i dont take my bupe for 1 week. its that bad. i just feel so shitty and the anxiety starts burning in my stomach. i can take pain, granted the pain will eventually stop. this shit just never stops.
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this is the kinda thing I have been hearing a ton of people say in the past couple of months. at my clinic which has been open since subs have been sold so I think 7 ish years. Well they havent had a single person get off suboxone. not a single person has become sober. not one.

ANd the fact that the doctors do not warn people about the PAWS being the way that they are is horrible. THis is in my mind that isi sooo importent to tell people. It really leads me to believe that alot of the docs are just trying to get a check. I know thats how it is where I go . but I just hate that peopple are not more up front about how life altering it will be to get on suboxone. ya it stablizes peoples lives but, When it comes down to feeling horrible for 5-7 days then just mildly unlike urself for 2 weeks after. compared to suboxones 3 months of feeling not like urself and more dysphoria then, I think just coming off dope woulda been the choice by most ...

THere is no easy way out, and by thinking therere was one was my mistake
 
yeah, drs have no fucking excuse as far as not warning of the addiction potential. i remember when i started it in 04 no one really knew what the fuck it was and you couldnt fault the drs. 6 yrs later there is NO excuse.
 
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wait, they didnt change the taste? fuckers! so they are saying the taste profile is better simply because there is way less material to have in your mouth. goddamn it! of all the sublingual/chewable meds ive ever tasted this shit is the worst. jamesbrown, i owe you an apology.....jerk. hehe.
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I can't say they didn't change the taste 100% because I never actually took the pills sublingual only snorted or iv'd them, but actually looking at the ingredients the pills have artificial sweetener and lemon lime flavor while the strips only have lime flavor and no asparteme. One thing I noticed with the strips was I was kind of suprised they were actually pretty bitter in addition to the lime taste which from experiencing the drip from the pills I didn't think it was that bitter. So they might have slightly changed the taste but it still has that lime flavor and still tastes pretty nasty to me but for people who took the old pills SL then it might be slightly better. I think a major reason though is there isnt all that powder all in your mouth getting all over your mouth cause the strip stays nice and sticky and doesn't get all over your mouth.

You have taken the pills sublingually do they taste pretty bitter? I only snorted them so I could only kind of taste the drip but they didn't seem bitter to me but the film is definately noticably pretty bitter, but also still tasted citrusy. IDK its still nasty to me but fromt he ingredients it does look like they changed it slightly. Basing it from the drip I would say they made it less "tangy" and more chemical-ish. Ill taste it again tommorow but I just did opiates so I gotta wait.

So am I the only one getting the strips so far? I guess my friends doctor got them like a week early so they should be out within a week in most places. Is this gonna be a nation wide thing like the OP's or is this just with certain doctors who choose to participate?
 
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Its nationwide but your doctor may not neccesarily make you switch to the strips. For example my doc is letting me stay on the pills. But I bet ALOT of doctors are going to do what the drug company tell them to do and push the strips on you.
 
Well I finally did it.

Ended my two-month heroin binge today. Took at least 12mgs of Suboxone to quiet the withdrawal. I waited a good 12 hours before taking the plunge back on Suboxone. My previous attempts had left me with withdrawal symptoms, especially anxiety that didn't seem to go away. That's what kept drawing me back, I'd feel super anxious and shitty and would just end up scoring for my "last hit, just to get rid of this anxiety) and end up deeper and deeper.

Once my habit reached the $--/day mark I had to call it quits. My wallet just couldn't handle it. On top of that I wasn't even getting a decent rush anymore, or a decent high. I couldn't get myself on the nod.

Honestly, I want to get clean, but dope is just so awesome. =D
 
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Good for you. I think the suboxone will make your life much more enjoyable and healthy and productive etc etc etc....

Your actually lucky you were able to quit at the --$/day mark.....it took me a couple more years past that before I was able to quit. (of course its kind of hard to keep using when your in jail)....DAMN that as a painful withdrawal!
 
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ok, thats what i thought. just lime and no orange, right? i thought i saw a mint leaf or something on the logo. im pretty sure they did change the taste. i mean the biggest complaints would be the 1-taste 2-it takes fucking forever to dissolve a full pill.
so yeah, it makes sense. and i read that users rate the taste profile 7 out of 10 and that it dissolves faster. why would they mention that if it was the same and pills? sorry im kind fucked up.
 
if dope is still "awesome" this might b harder for u than u think. but good luck my friend. holla james.
 
homeydontplaythat said:
ok, thats what i thought. just lime and no orange, right? i thought i saw a mint leaf or something on the logo. im pretty sure they did change the taste. i mean the biggest complaints would be the 1-taste 2-it takes fucking forever to dissolve a full pill.
so yeah, it makes sense. and i read that users rate the taste profile 7 out of 10 and that it dissolves faster. why would they mention that if it was the same and pills? sorry im kind fucked up.
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I really dont know what the mint leaf on the strips are for...maybe a lime leaf? hha....but there is definitely only lemon-lime flavoring in the strips, just like the pill.

And when I tasted the strips, it tasted the same as the pill to me....just felt a little different in your mouth, for obvious reasons.

And I think that the 'users rating the strip better tasting" has something to do with the drug company trying to market the shit out of these strips. I just dont trust anything those drug companies release. Especially the "studies and surveys" done on the medication THEY are trying to sell.
 
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