Lando I would have to agree with genghis theirs no reason for anyone to say that they need to get off suboxone just because it makes them high or its bad for you. thats like saying you wont take multivitamins because it gives you a mood lift. Im on suboxone and I know im going to be on it the rest of my life. Not because I need to but because I want to. suboxone has helped my depression,anxiety,mood and alot of other factors. also their have been studies for suboxone as a anti depressant and anti anxiety but because it makes you feel good I guess that its bad for you then lol. the truth is that SSRIs really have no help in depression. If you have the time read this article on antidepresants and how selective dopamine reuptake inhibitors were the pinnacle of anti depressant potentional and because they caused a mild high they were banned. I mean its not like you can get addicted to SSRI's right? lol. anyway just because it gets you high dosent mean its wrong, infact its all but wrong, its right
amneptine is one of these dopamine reuptake inhibitors. it was great for helping depression but because of a mild happy feeling it was banned because of abuse potential. oh and the article calls it dopamine reuptake blockers and dopamine reuptake inhibitors is the same term used for these medications, inhibitors just mean blocking in lamens terms if you didnt know that.
I also agree with monstanoodle that tramadol could be effective in your anxiety and depression personally I think tramadol does have some clinical potentional lol and its barley addictive but it does trigger opiate receptors so I guess it must be wrong to take it. -_-. try mixing tramadol with suboxone and I swear youll feel more happy than you are with just one of them
atleast it was for me.
I hope you find what your looking for Lando and if its not suboxone because you feel theirs some stigma associated with it or that its addicting then dont do it. Just remember every single antidepressant, anti anxiety, mood lifter drug wether it be lexapro, zoloft, prozac, buspirone, etc... is addicting it will get into your body and if you stop taking it you will go into withdrawals. So next time if the doctor's say suboxone is addicting tell them to shove a lexapro pill up their ass everyday for a month and then completley stop taking it. fucking doctors and DEA the most hypocritical assholes since the beggining of time
Hell when I stopped taking my lexapro a while ago because I forgot to bring my prescription, I had the most unbeliavable withdrawals in my life. Pucking, muscle pain, headache, anxiety, depression. hell with those kind of withdrawal effects they might aswell of put me on heroin for depression because the withdrawals were a little bit worse than opiate withdrawals thank god i got off that shit I feel better now than when i was on that shit.
this article came from
www.opiods.com
"Even where it is acknowledged that many opioid users have a pre-existing anxiety or depressive disorder in urgent need of relief, those so afflicted are fobbed off with often third-rate psychotropics instead. For a start, the monoamine hypothesis of depression - and the new classes of drug it has spawned (SSRIs, NARIs, SNRIs, NaSSAs, RIMAs etc to complement the dirty old tricyclics and irreversible unselective MAOIs) - is radically incomplete. A minority of people, admittedly, find such drugs effective. Often taking a licensed antidepressant is better than nothing at all - perhaps in part because of their positive effects on endogenous opioid peptide release. Yet even in the context of controlled clinical trials with relatively high dosage-regimens and artificially good rates of patient-compliance, it's rare for response-rates to reach more than 70%. Rates of full remission of depressive symptoms are far lower, perhaps 25-30%. Out "in the field", the picture is worse still. Adverse side-effects are common. Response may take weeks. Withdrawal reactions can be unpleasant.
A recognition of the crucial role of dopamine, and selective dopamine reuptake blockers, in sub-types of depressive mood-disorders might push response and remission rates higher. The mesolimbic dopamine system is critical to vitality, motivation, libido and a capacity to anticipate reward. Dopaminergics can also act as analgesics. They can also reverse the apathetic sedation induced by some antidepressants and opioid agonists. Yet the FDA stymies the licensing of effective dopamine reuptake-blocking mood-brighteners at home; and applies pressure to deny access to them abroad. This is because of worries about their (sometimes) faster efficacy - and mild psychostimulant effect - raise the spectre of "abuse-potential"; and proscription, persecution and indiction are favoured over consumer education. For Big Brother knows best."
this article came from
http://www.opioids.com/
Oh and MSPCHI The 2 times I did stay off my Suboxone for 2 days and then dosed with heroin nothing came of it barley noticeale effects, dont forget that the half life of suboxone is about 48 hours so the drug will probably stay in your system for about 3-4 days depending on dose. For some people they can do it 4 hours after their suboxone dose and others its 12 days but the normal person like me is 3-5 days I would recommend 4 days because even on the 4th day you will still have a little suboxone in your system If it was me I would wait 6-7 days but if your impatient like I am sometimes then on the 3rd day should be ok but you will probably only get half or a 3rd of whatever heroin dose you take on the 3rd day but thats me and it sounds like it didnt work for you on the 2nd day off so try 3 days but my best bet for you is the 4th day, you might get into withdrawals at that point tho im not sure. Ive never really taken another opiate on suboxone except once or twice
I hate when they do that...