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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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homeydontplaythat said:
check this out. i went to the er due to the dreaded phenazepam(did liquid measurments and all). and the whore who cant identify this benzo claims i must be abusing my bupe. so now my gf is nurse who watches me take it Sl everday. are we in russia, wait, somolia....no USAAAAAAA
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If you were able to get phenazepam like effects from bupe, I'd be taking a lot more bupe.

Tahmsonmahsah said:
Yeah, and that's exacly why I ask the question obviously. Or do I have to make this even more clear? When has the Bupe left my system/reached levels low enough to make me able to get recreational effect from Methadone? Is 40 hours enough from use of 0.5mg to 2mg daily for a week? Of course this is individual, but what are you people here's guesses?
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Its hard to say, because of half life, elimination time, affinity. It depends on what model I use to describe it's action.

Overall I find that I can do heroin 12 hours after 6mg of suboxone and feel it, just maybe not as much/need a little more. 40 hours should certainly be enough. Methadone too has a long half life, so if you took it at say 40 hours, but should've waited another 2 hours, by the time those 2 hours pass, the methadone will just be coming up, so you should be good.

You can also use some cimitidine, which I find works great with opiates/benzo's, since the bupe already binded/wearing off it shouldn't make it any stronger, but should definately boost the methadones feeling. So even if you should've taken more/waited longer, you might be able to get away with it.

You also say you're doing it for a week, with those low dosages, its really no difference between a week straight, or a day. Even at 2mg sometimes you can break through with low dosages of other opiates. If you have 10 receptors and 5 are filled by 2mg of bupe, no matter what you will feel something off the done. If you normally get wrecked off 10 receptors of done, but can only fill 5, you'll still feel 5 receptors work - if that makes sense. At higher dosages of suboxone you'll fill all of your receptors, which is why low dosages + other opiates can still be felt.
 
Considering the low bupe dose, I think 40 hours should be fine (maybe wait 48 - two full days) to take methadone. I'm curious though, do you find methadone that much more recreational that you would consider taking a vacation from the bupe to feel it?

So today, I had my first ever sub doctor appointment, and consequently got my first ever suboxone prescription. I go in, tell the doc my history, and end up with a weeks worth of bupe, which is 14 8mg subs (2 a day). To me, this is a ridiculously high dose. Getting them illicitly I never took over 4mg (albeit nasally) in a day. And that was during times I REALLY needed them to fight w/d. Today, I came to the doc already a week clean, all of my w/d symptoms basically gone. and I still get this ridiculous starting dose.

Not complaining at all, and I'm even happy I'll be able to save up the stuff I don't use, but has anyone else had a similar experience at the sub doc? All this with no drug test too. For all he knew I could have been bullshitting the whole thing, since I wasn't even displaying any w/d symptoms.
 
rodox said:
Considering the low bupe dose, I think 40 hours should be fine (maybe wait 48 - two full days) to take methadone. I'm curious though, do you find methadone that much more recreational that you would consider taking a vacation from the bupe to feel it?

So today, I had my first ever sub doctor appointment, and consequently got my first ever suboxone prescription. I go in, tell the doc my history, and end up with a weeks worth of bupe, which is 14 8mg subs (2 a day). To me, this is a ridiculously high dose. Getting them illicitly I never took over 4mg (albeit nasally) in a day. And that was during times I REALLY needed them to fight w/d. Today, I came to the doc already a week clean, all of my w/d symptoms basically gone. and I still get this ridiculous starting dose.

Not complaining at all, and I'm even happy I'll be able to save up the stuff I don't use, but has anyone else had a similar experience at the sub doc? All this with no drug test too. For all he knew I could have been bullshitting the whole thing, since I wasn't even displaying any w/d symptoms.
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If you're already through withdrawal, don't be a fool and get addicted to the subs instead. You really don't need them, unless you mentally can't handle not being on opiates, which I sometimes feel is a bit of a cop out.

First time I went I got prescibed to 10mg a day right away, but I had to fail a drug test. This too is higher than I needed for anything, even recreational. I got a low dose though, I know some people getting 24mg a day, a lot of bull and exagerating their symptoms. I wasn't in any withdrawal, and had to fail a COWS sheet (withdrawal symptoms).

Be wise, you noticed the problems with suboxone right off the bat, don't let them get the better of you.
 
^that's how I got on bupe. It had been a week since I had used, the withdrawls from heroin were already over. you're lucky, cause you'll probably get pretty stoned off of suboxone. Stick to a low dosage though, if you want to maintain that nice feeling from the bupe. stick to 2 mg a day.

so I've been either sniffing 1 mg or shooting .5 mg for about 2 weeks now. yesterday I shot some coke, and to help with the come down I did an unecesairly high dosage of bupe too, 1.6 mg I.V. Today I'm back at .5/day. It doesn't seem to have raised my tolerance too much, but I do feel my .2 shots a little less. do you guys think that by tomorow I should be back to my normal dosage?

Also, you talk about methadone being recreational. I would probably choose methadone on top of bupe over say, oxy or hydro over bupe, just because it's stronger, and I never know how well bupe is going to block. However, if I wasn't on bupe, I would probably choose almost any other opiate over methadone. Methadone does provide euphoria, but for me, not as much as other opiates.
 
No my ins does not cover treatment. I recently switched from aetna to another company. None of the 5 sub doctors I saw would accept insurance. My meds are not covered either. A friend who went to a different sub doctor said her ins paid but then canceled her. (actually they did not technically cancel her but just tripled the price of her premiums so she could not afford it any longer)... I have decided it may be best just to pay out of pocket if at all possible and leave ins. out of it. I can barely afford mine now @ $350.00 a month with a 2000 deductible!!
 
jazzyhope said:
No my ins does not cover treatment. I recently switched from aetna to another company. None of the 5 sub doctors I saw would accept insurance. My meds are not covered either. A friend who went to a different sub doctor said her ins paid but then canceled her. (actually they did not technically cancel her but just tripled the price of her premiums so she could not afford it any longer)... I have decided it may be best just to pay out of pocket if at all possible and leave ins. out of it. I can barely afford mine now @ $350.00 a month with a 2000 deductible!!
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It's rough, I had that problem a while ago when looking into suboxone programs. I found one that takes my insurance, I just hope it doesn't get cancelled. I got threatened to get shut off because I had worked for a temp company for like 2 days, hopefully they got everything under control in time.

Otherwise it'll be $600 a month for the Dr, and $300 a month for the suboxone
 
HdoubleODeezy said:
^ that is 6 times what i pay a month for the doctor without insurance.
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Thats what I was going to say. I pay 100$ a month to see my doctor. Only the first month I had to see him twice ($200 total), but that was just to get settled in with a proper dose. You should really call around, as in my area, the prices were all over the board to get a doctor. Some wanted up to $600 not including meds. Call around because I am sure you have a cheaper option. I called all 20 doctors in my 30 mile radius before I found the one I am with now.

My pills out of pocket cost less than a roxi 30mg did, and seeing how I only take +-4mg daily, I can get a lot out of my pills compared to what I was psending on oxy. Also, the fact that you don't have to pick up your whole sub script at once really helps. I just call the pharmacy and put in for what I need (or have the money for) and pick them up. Sometimes I go the pharmacy 1 time a week, and sometimes it's 5.
 
I went to my sub Dr every month and it was only $70 per visit. I was prescribed max dose (32mg a day) and got 90 8mg pills a month. At first I didnt have insurance so I was paying $7 a pill at the pharm, so $630 just on suboxone a month. Thankfully that was only 1 month, the next 3 months I got coverage and only paid $3 co-pay for my whole 90 count script. :) For those 3 months I would use what help me over (4mg a day) and just stockpile as many as I could. I had a shitton by the 3rd month and have been using them for 6 months now. I think I have about 40 or so left. I started shooting them recently which helps my needle fixation, so that's cutting back a lot on how much I take. 1mg shot up holds me for half the day. But yeah, in a month or two it looks like I'll be starting my taper if i dont get a job again to afford the Dr visits... idk how i'll stay sober without using sub as a crutch TBH. subs at least make me w/d free and make me have a sort of glow to them and make me happy like "real" opiates did, and it lasts a lot longer than fuckin dope!
 
Is it true that if you have minor withdrawals & symptoms while on the lower doses of Buprenorphine/Subutex & while tapering that you're actually getting rid of of the withdrawals/PAWS so when u do finally jump you would have rode out most of the intense withdrawals?...

Does anybody know anybody who was on either Methadone or Sub for 4 years or so and gotten off and stayed clean?.

Thank you.
 
HdoubleODeezy said:
^ that is 6 times what i pay a month for the doctor without insurance.
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Damn, I'm not going to complain because with my insurance it's not even funny to say what I pay, I'm a bit ashamed but hey if they want to cover that amount....

If I was actually paying out of pocket might be different, and I might go to a different doc, but this one is the best fit so far. He's kept me on my benzos, when other Dr's flat out said it was the "rules" I couldn't take them, fuck that
 
ker982 said:
The reason for cleaning out your nose, is to get the excess opiates out of the nostril, so the remnants are not still digesting into your body.
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It would have a neglibable effect if any, and wouldn't do anything for withdrawals, so I don't really see any purpose other than helping heal the nasal tissue
 
^ Basically. Cleaning those oxy boogers aren't going to keep the precip w/d at bay.
 
JamtasticX said:
If you're already through withdrawal, don't be a fool and get addicted to the subs instead. You really don't need them, unless you mentally can't handle not being on opiates, which I sometimes feel is a bit of a cop out.
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A "cop out" for what reason? Why, other than for opiate maintenance purposes, would someone purposely be addicted to bupe?

You're entitled to hold this opinion, of course, but I really don't think it's fair to tell others what is and isn't justifiable regarding their drug use. The only justification that really matters is within the users themselves.
 
Tahmsonmahsah said:
Have been doing Bupe daily for a week now, nasal, amounts of 0.5 to 2mg daily. Earlier I have only been using various opioids 1-2 times a week for a long time. When do you think I can get recreational effect from Methadone?
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You can get a recreational effect from methadone, but you can't go from methadone to buprenorphine because of precipitated withdrawal. Therefore it's better to use one or the other.

homeydontplaythat said:
check this out. i went to the er due to the dreaded phenazepam(did liquid measurments and all). and the whore who cant identify this benzo claims i must be abusing my bupe. so now my gf is nurse who watches me take it Sl everday. are we in russia, wait, somolia....no USAAAAAAA
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Did you expect the war on drugs to make everyone an expert on drugs?

It's more likely people are just going to be stupid about drugs if drugs are illegal.

Therefore you should have said it was "valium" or "xanax" even if it wasn't. Only because they don't know what "phenazepam" is. Like it's some big mystery to those of us who can rub two brain cells together, I know.... but you have to realize the rest of the world is dumb as hell.
 
BollWeevil said:
A "cop out" for what reason? Why, other than for opiate maintenance purposes, would someone purposely be addicted to bupe?

You're entitled to hold this opinion, of course, but I really don't think it's fair to tell others what is and isn't justifiable regarding their drug use. The only justification that really matters is within the users themselves.
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I had a long response typed out, but I think shorter willl do better justice. It seems arguing why it's a cop out for maintenance is an inherint contradiction, because you're on maitenance, which sole goal is to have you on that opiate to feel normal, not others.

I simply feel that some users take the suboxone/methadone route and pass off the cause/responsibilty of their actions. I think it promotes the wrong idea in that people get addicted to opiates, and never come off, as that is somehow normal. There was a time when we weren't addicted to opiates, and people who think they need to, may be choosing to ignore the real issues.

In no way am I telling anyone what to do, or what is justification and what isn't. I have my beliefs of the whole suboxone program (admitantly contradictory to my actual suboxone treatment) but I'd rather people explore their addiction, than take suboxone and ignore it, but regardless what people choose to do, so long as buyer beware, doesn't matter to me.

I hope this somewhat cleared up my position, although I doubt it does since that's essentially the purpose of maintenance.
 
i dont know if what you are talking about it different reasons/excuses to be on sub/done.. but the reason im on suboxone is from being addicted to OC's.. the only reason i took those (like many others) self medicating. It seemed to help bipolar disorder, but that was only when i was high, when seeking it would be like 2 rollercoasters one bipolar and one opiate addiction, i needed to get stable and a combo of zyprexa suboxone clonidine vistaril and benzos tramadol as needed and blood pressure meds (for tachycardia).. but i feel almost and i stress almost normal. but no one asked. i just figured i'd share.
 
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