Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[jazzyhope]

Pink~cloud... how are you doing??

 

[yoboy]

I know this has been probably been touched on already....... but I realized last night that I had some hydroxyzine 20mg, so I took one of those pills with 4mg bupe and it made the high so much more enjoyable! Fucking amazing!

Is this completely safe to combine hydroxyzine with suboxone?

 

[Pegasus]

Is this completely safe to combine hydroxyzine with suboxone?

*Enter Captain Heroin* (This question couldn't be directed any more at you! )

It is safe so long as you are wise about your dose. It increases the potency of the effects, so as long as you aren't dosing out of control and mixing with other depressants, you'll be fine. If you do mix with other depressants, just use caution and titrate your dose to the proper levels, obviously.

 

[woodspiece]

My bupe hell:

Been fine maintaining at 1mg. subling. until about 2 weeks ago. I'm in a place where SAOs are impossible to find/get, legal or otherwise. SO the cravings-need to be high so strong that I'm now up to 3mgs. railing and subling. mix with k'pin. I have no way out. Noramlly, I'd cop a script or buy something on the street-IMPOSSIBLE. SO I'm forced to up bupe--and thus the blocking dose. I fear its just going to go higher. And i will be somewhere in a few months where I can cop H. thru a connect. But by then, my sub. block will be so high... the frustration is going to do me in. And the "high i get is pathetic. No amount of reason or self-disp. are working.

I have no idea what to do...

 

[Pegasus]

I know the feeling... I think this is why bupe doesn't work as well as methadone for many people: they aren't getting high. I have experienced it first-hand... The satisfaction from dosing with bupe certainly does go away for the most part IME.

As for what to do about it, if you can get by only increasing your dose, that really isn't that bad of a resolution. The maintenance opiates are there to be abused, and you'll likely get tired of dosing so frequently after a few weeks and cut it back down.

Regardless of what you decide, be careful dosing. Good luck.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Thanks Cap I will try anything at this point... what do you think about imodium?

I've never tried it but some people say good things about it. I would give it a shot if that's all you have access too. Good luck!

I just saw someone smoking Suboxone (chasing the dragon). How dangerous is this? He swears doing it makes it a bit stronger than snorting it. Obviously smoking anything with tin foil isn't great for you, but could some BL drug nerds tell me if there are any particular binders/fillers in Suboxone pills that make this ROA more dangerous than others?

Suboxone is 2% buprenorphine. I really wouldn't bother vaporizing/smoking mostly corn starch in order to vaporize buprenorphine.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^
yeah, you're definitely gonna get that high back, TEMPorarily. I wouldn't recommend to IV anything to anyone. I know if you set your mind to something, there's not much you can do to talk one out of it. Still, I gotta say IV administration is highly addictive. And furthermore, it's not worth trying to take subox IV, to get a >real< high with it. I'm talking out of personal xperience. I'd say read captain heroin's posts if you wanna try it that way, cause he's using 0.1mg IV and it's pretty effective that way I gotta say.

I'm down to 0.08mg per shot, and am about to step down to 0.05mg eventually.

I would only suggest IV to people who are still addicted to heroin after trying Suboxone sublingually for a while (like months, like I did) only because heroin addiction can ruin your life.

Even then it's really up to the person, and what they want/need for their own life.

*Enter Captain Heroin* (This question couldn't be directed any more at you! )

It is safe so long as you are wise about your dose. It increases the potency of the effects, so as long as you aren't dosing out of control and mixing with other depressants, you'll be fine. If you do mix with other depressants, just use caution and titrate your dose to the proper levels, obviously.

LMAO!!! %)

I wouldn't see any negative sides to combining both. You may grow a tolerance to some of hydroxyzine's effects, but that's about it.

If you don't use hydroxyzine all the time, you should be good to go.

I usually do 4 to 6mg hydroxyzine IV with 0.08mg buprenorphine. I don't combine hydroxyzine with every shot, just some here and there.

BollWeevil's advice was spot on.

If you can save the hydroxyzine for when you are going to taper down some, it is advisable - I like hydroxyzine when I initially lower my dose again.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

^ also needs to be noted that it needs to be hydroxyzine hcl (atarax) not the pamoate (vistaril) because only the hcl is soluble in water.
the way to tell them apart is vistaril (the one that ISN'T water soluble) is a capsule..
Atarax (hydroxyzine hcl) the one you want is a tablet.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^ also needs to be noted that it needs to be hydroxyzine hcl (atarax) not the pamoate (vistaril) because only the hcl is soluble in water.
the way to tell them apart is vistaril (the one that ISN'T water soluble) is a capsule..
Atarax (hydroxyzine hcl) the one you want is a tablet.

Yeah but they were using hydroxyzine orally.

Thanks for pointing that out though man, that is importnat for IV use.

The satisfaction from dosing with bupe certainly does go away for the most part IME.

I'll consider myself lucky I guess. I can't get enough of it,

MMMM look at those two sexy hydroxyl groups!

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

oh ok.. i always assume everything is IV lol i don't know why, maybe i should read more into things before i open my mouth about them.. my bad.
and i also noticed you talking about IVing it so that threw me off a little bit.

 

[Znegative]

is hydroxyzine a better antihistamine than diphenhydramine when mixed with suboxone? I tried latter combo and it really wasn't great, just made me feel like I was more sedated than usual, IMO it ruined the "high" I got from the suboxone.

I've gotten to a point with my suboxone that I don't really think further tapering will improve effects drastically. .15 mg 4x/day seems pretty low, and I'm losing faith of ever getting that original high that I got when I first took suboxone. I was actually planning on getting 2 bags tonight, but my man never called me back. Sorry to be printing my sob story here, I just need to get it out guys!!!

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

is hydroxyzine a better antihistamine than diphenhydramine when mixed with suboxone? I tried latter combo and it really wasn't great, just made me feel like I was more sedated than usual, IMO it ruined the "high" I got from the suboxone.

I've gotten to a point with my suboxone that I don't really think further tapering will improve effects drastically. .15 mg 4x/day seems pretty low, and I'm losing faith of ever getting that original high that I got when I first took suboxone. I was actually planning on getting 2 bags tonight, but my man never called me back. Sorry to be printing my sob story here, I just need to get it out guys!!!

IMO hydroxyzine is the best antihistamine for opiate potentiation and it also works for anxiety so if you want you can get a high from it all by itself. but try it out with bupe, i dont think you will be dissapointed.

 

[Eight0Eight]

I know the feeling... I think this is why bupe doesn't work as well as methadone for many people: they aren't getting high. I have experienced it first-hand... The satisfaction from dosing with bupe certainly does go away for the most part IME.
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Thats very true.

I was injecting my subutex - just because it wasn't holding my cravings at bay AT ALL, and by injecting it, I found it helped with my mental cravings.

In the long run, IV subutex fucked me - as it doesn't last as long, and when you jump off - its going to be a LOT harsher (and what are you going to say to your GP? "yeah, but I was bangin' it!").

If you're looking to get an ACTUAL nod from your script - then go on methadone.
If you want to be 100% straight, right from the get-go - then get on bupe.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

is hydroxyzine a better antihistamine than diphenhydramine when mixed with suboxone? I tried latter combo and it really wasn't great, just made me feel like I was more sedated than usual, IMO it ruined the "high" I got from the suboxone.

I've gotten to a point with my suboxone that I don't really think further tapering will improve effects drastically. .15 mg 4x/day seems pretty low, and I'm losing faith of ever getting that original high that I got when I first took suboxone. I was actually planning on getting 2 bags tonight, but my man never called me back. Sorry to be printing my sob story here, I just need to get it out guys!!!

Hydroxyzine is a better antihistamine to mix with buprenorphine.

If you like the stimulating effects of buprenorphine, then I wouldn't use hydroxyzine. If you like the sedating side of buprenorphine, I would try out hydroxyzine.

It does sedate you but hydroxyzine has a "feel good" effect to it.

0.15mg per dose is pretty low but I have gotten lower. I don't know if it improves the effects, or if it just is conserving more bupe though. It's hard to tell at 0.08mg for me.

It's OK to get out your story here man don't worry. I am sorry to hear you never got that dope, maybe it's for the better? I would be glad if my dude never got back to me, even if I called him, only because I know I shouldn't be using heroin.

Thats very true.

I was injecting my subutex - just because it wasn't holding my cravings at bay AT ALL, and by injecting it, I found it helped with my mental cravings.

In the long run, IV subutex fucked me - as it doesn't last as long, and when you jump off - its going to be a LOT harsher (and what are you going to say to your GP? "yeah, but I was bangin' it!").

If you're looking to get an ACTUAL nod from your script - then go on methadone.
If you want to be 100% straight, right from the get-go - then get on bupe.

I never used heroin for the "nod" anyways, I got nice stimulation/euphoria from it. So buprenorphine was always for me I guess lol.

Sorry to hear the withdrawal was harsh for you, I don't think it's going to be harsh for me, primarily because I plan to taper off very slowly (1 mcg at a time near the end).

What dose did you jump off?

 

[Eight0Eight]

^0.2mg

After 2 weeks I was still a complete mess. No sleep. No food. Plenty of sweat.

Resorted to drinking myself to death - in a vain attempt to get myself sedated.

*As soon* as I went back to the city - I was at the dope spot. I just wanted some rest.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^0.2mg

After 2 weeks I was still a complete mess. No sleep. No food. Plenty of sweat.

Resorted to drinking myself to death - in a vain attempt to get myself sedated.

*As soon* as I went back to the city - I was at the dope spot. I just wanted some rest.

Sorry to hear that man.

Was that 0.2mg per dose, or per day?

I'm at 0.08mg per dose, and it varies how much I do in a day. I plan on going to 0.05mg per dose soon.

 

[JamtasticX]

^0.2mg

After 2 weeks I was still a complete mess. No sleep. No food. Plenty of sweat.

Resorted to drinking myself to death - in a vain attempt to get myself sedated.

*As soon* as I went back to the city - I was at the dope spot. I just wanted some rest.

Thats rough, sorry to hear that.

I see a lot of talk about hydroxyzine, I'm lucky enough to be prescibed to that too, and although I've never iv'ed it, or iv'ed suboxone, but hydroxyzine mixed with opiates is great, enhances the sedating effects nicely, and hydroxyzine is a nice antihistamine in that it acts more like a benzo than acting like diphenhydramine or a similar antihistamine

 

[Eight0Eight]

Yeah, I was on 0.2mg/day.

I broke it in half - and IV'd twice a day. It was horrible, 0.1mg wasn't even enough to hold me - I was jusr spending the entire dat in WD, even after I had injected.

I'm much more happier on methadone. I don't see any reason to ever come off. One thing I do know is - tha I'm NEVER using subutex ever again.

 

[LivingOnValium]

I've had my fair share of buprenorphine/hydroxyzine IV cocktails.

I find the burn caused by hydroxyzine hcl (from atarax) when IVed to be a bit too much nowadays and just can't take it anymore. I only got thin veins left.

No one else finds this to be a problem?

 

[jazzyhope]

wow wish I was in the uk right now!! is there a waiting list? what kind of a process is it to get on a mmt program? did i understand correctly that subutex is also free?