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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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implicitprodigy said:
Yes, I have been a member to the site for quite some time. I used a lot of pain medicine for about 5 years, i stopped getting high off hydro and oxy at about 250-300mg, so I switched to methadone was up to about 160-200 mg of methadone (got to the point where I od'ed 2-3 times off methadone) I finally got on suboxone, and for the past two years I actually have stability. My doctor is indian and we have language barriers. We just writes me my medicine, and he isnt a talker. I now have sciatica (sciatic nerve pain) and he has given me an anti-inflamatory but I am still in pain. I am paranoid my doctor is thinking i have alterior motives by saying Im in pain. I had an MRI taken ($1650) and am waiting to hear back from the results.... I have a couple of questions.... What are the options that can be done for my sciatica? Has anyone else been taking suboxone for long periods of time who have dealt with pain...surgeries...wisdom teeth extraction, etc.? Also I feel NOTHING from my suboxone anymore (except feeling normal) is there ANYONE that feels any kind of Euphoria anymore from it after using it for 1-2+ years? For those of you who have finished and tapered off of suboxone; was it hard? did you relapse? I really appreciate any responses
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i'm about 5 weeks suboxone free. i feel relatively normal, besides the crappy body feelings and inevitable sleep pattern suckiness. my habit does NOT compare to yours, though

before subox, it was ~100mg methadone for a year or so (the moved me up too high i think), before that poppies
 
okay, so I have the standard annoying bupe question: how long should I wait?
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after methadone i had to wait like 5 days. he gave darvocet 8) to help during those 5 days

but it's trickly because it's so psychological.... both the opiate w/d you're in, and the suboxone effects itself. to me, suboxone doesn't "feel" like anything--it just feels like zero opiate in me yet i'm sober, so that was sorta tricking me and it was really hard to tell when i got stably adjusted on subox
 
yoboy said:
okay, so I have the standard annoying bupe question: how long should I wait? I'm not on any official treatment- I only get bupe off the street every once in awhile when I can't find myself anything good.

I took 8mg yesterday @ 11am. (last time I had bupe before that was about 10 days before that) It is now 2pm and I got some Perc 10s burnin a hole in my pocket.

So..... am I pro and good to go? Or should I wait until tomorrow to take the percs?

(I use dope, methadone, bupes, oxy, all that stuff. 60 mg oxy is my standard dose, so thats a good measure of my tolerance I guess)
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I agree with SubDude you may be taking a overly high dose of sub for your tolerance.
When I had a tolerance around the same level I wouldn't need more than a mg or 2 to keep me covered.
Also as they stated your good to go to take the perc's they just may have diminished effects especially considering the amount of bupe you consumed.
 
'qwe', sorry if you said this somewhere and missed it, but when you went off SUBOXONE, did you taper? If SO how was it? Did you WD at all? AND what was your taper schedule?

Terrified when it is time to get off SUBOXONE and heard WD from SUBOXONE is FAR worse than OXYcodone. Is this true?
 
mannnnnn it was just my luck yesterday...... I went out to find dope fully prepared to settle on percs, but I couldn't find neither. So I bought one lousy 8mg bupe pill, put it under my tongue, and not damn near 10 minutes later, dude comes running up the street with my percs in hand. Too late, but I bought em anyway.

Then to top it all off, I had to argue with him over price because he didn't have an understanding of like.... basic 2nd grade level math. This guy couldn't multiply by single digits.

anyways, thanks for the advice guys
 
GROOVY1975 said:
'qwe', sorry if you said this somewhere and missed it, but when you went off SUBOXONE, did you taper? If SO how was it? Did you WD at all? AND what was your taper schedule?

Terrified when it is time to get off SUBOXONE and heard WD from SUBOXONE is FAR worse than OXYcodone. Is this true?
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i know this question wasnt for me but ill chime in,
when i had to come off subs for a couple months i was in jail, but luckily i was prescribed 4mg clonazepam at the same time.. wds were barely noticable compared to my oxy wd and 120mg CT methadone wd.. if you have a benzo you will be ok.
 
revned04 said:
I've been on subs for about 6 months and just want to share my 2cents

I wouldn't recommend shooting subs to anyone that hasn't already done it because now I just dont want to take it sublingual, and I'm not too fond of putting things up my nose. I used to think if I shot more I'd experience more of that good mood and slight euphoria but its total bs, shooting a quarter an 8 makes me feel almost exactly the same as when I do a half. also I find that if I'm off subs for a few days then shoot it I don't really feel it so I have to take it subling for 3 days then I can shoot it and feel good. This only happens when I relapse, so hopefully won't have to deal with it again. I've just been shooting a quarter of an 8 and it holds me well over for 24 hours or more, but I've really been wanting to stop considering the horror stories I've heard about missed IV sub shots. Subs have saved my life and I really wish it was more available to the gutter junkies that trully need it.
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i hope you're micron filtering- http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=481622
 
For those people saying they get no euphoria off sub this is what I've noticed personally.

Once I get above 1-1.5mg its almost like I can feel "tolerance" happening. Because all those effects I use to get below 1mg go away, and it feels like the sub is working strong, but I don't get any of the enjoyable affects from it.

I've noticed if I get "high" like 1mg or 1.25mg, thats usually when my body starts to tolerate it. And what I have to do is drop down to .5mg, then .25mg, and then I'm usually in the clear to experience the euphoria again by slightly upping the dose.

I also have been pluggn recently and now I try to not plug above .5mg. So I'll drop to .25mg, and then to what is literally a tiny speck of sub, if after that on the 3rd day I plug .5mg again, I get fairly high off it.
And this is after taping off a rather large pod habit.
I think the idea is to stay as low as possible. And when you want euphoric days you have to bump it back up. But if you stay there for longer than 2 days it seems the euphoria goes away.

And remember this has been mostly pluggin lately as putting a sub under your tounge is like burning half the pill, its too much a waste for me when I don't have any more resources for getting sub.

But the euphoria is great imo, its better than pods in some ways, but pods were more consistent with the feeling good aspect. Sub you need to manipulate to feel any sort of euphoria. But when I do get it by whole body gets light, the sun actually feels brighter (I have to squint a lot more in well lit areas) and the most noticeable affect is this manic sort of happiness on it. Its very euphoric just being in that extreme state of happiness, I become talkative as all hell. I start conversations with random people, I exude a confidence that is almost scary.. becoming very uninhibited on it.

But I think you have to stay as low as possible, then do peak or burst dosing where you up for a couple days and drop it back down as low as you can go. I have noticed however on the days where your getting your tolerance back in check, its somewhat dim and depressing. So as far as sub really offering anything special.. not really.
I'll have to come off soon with the 7 pills I have left, but if I keep the use as low as possible I can save my last 2 or 3 to taper.

I'd prob stay on it for life if I could, if it just didn't have horrid weight gain potential.

I lost 12lbs coming off pods, was getting very ripped and lean (I worked out through my addiction) and from day one on bupe I felt like a fat fuck. Bupe makes it impossible to really lose weight. You can run 2 hours a day and your likely not dropping a lb. I have a fast metabolism and thats what I've been doing.. w/out any results at all.
While tapering off pods I was losing a ton of weight.

So bupe def has its goods and bads. I think for me specifically more bads lol.
 
qwe: you still doin alright on the phenaz or benzos? i feel bad i can't help you out. im outta phenaz for 10more days, and my k pins are counted :\ (plus your a narc;) ) <-- jk everyone he isn't i was just fuckin with him.. hope your feelin iight.
 
I have one quick question however about street bupe.

And if this comes off wrong I'm absolutely not fishing. I'm just curious where the hell do people get bupe if you're not prescribed it?

I got VERY lucky once and found someone who had just gone for their first sub visit. I got 30 and had the bupe for a long time and wound up getting rid of 20 of them because I was too scared to use them (PWD&PODS).
The few I saved I started using on my pod taper and although I hate the weight gain aspect like I mentioned above, I do wish I could find a few more.

I actually regret it a lot getting rid of most of them. I'm not sure if this is allowed but do you people basically just drive down the street and ask? I know people who have oxies, I don't use oxies, I've asked them for bupe countless times and even though they say they know people who have them, they never come through for one reason or another.

Its bupe generally this hard to find or am I going about it the wrong way? Again Im not looking for anything but advice here. Like do you just get in a car and drive to the ghetto? I have plenty of ghettos within 15mins it just seems quite dangerous. Thanks.

And I ask this obviously because pods you can just buy right online, so I guess I'm spoiled in that respect.
 
HdoubleODeezy said:
you pretty much need to be friends with someone on it.. and ask them for one time to time and maybe they will hook you up.
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Yeh thats exactly how I got it the first time actually.

Except he was only on it for like 4 months and I never thought I'd really need it again so I just got it that once.
I do have friends though with oxy addictions who I know get bupe so I might just have to call around and network a bit lol. I've tried before with no luck but maybe I'm just not trying hard enough.
 
JahRed24x said:
^ Just offer your friends what they want and you will get some real fast..
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Thats an effn great idea actually.

Not only because I have access to so much other stuff but I remember my friend telling me the chick he gets bupe from was looking for either codiene, dhc, or tram, opiates I get with problem at all.

I think she wanted to try jumping off her bupe so this might actually work great. This is exactly why I asked to get good ideas like this that should seem obvious enough.

Thanks!
 
GROOVY1975 said:
'qwe', sorry if you said this somewhere and missed it, but when you went off SUBOXONE, did you taper? If SO how was it? Did you WD at all? AND what was your taper schedule?

Terrified when it is time to get off SUBOXONE and heard WD from SUBOXONE is FAR worse than OXYcodone. Is this true?
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i was at 100 methadone. which was too much anyway but my body wouldnt metabolize it in a way that would make it last all day, or whatever, so they just kept increasing. that seems to be their protocol

to get me onto subox (since i hear it's easier to come off of, and i'd be able to take the pill bottle home, aka, do it three times a day for constant bloodstream concentration, rather than one big dose every morning as with methadone, which sucks because then i can't sleep when it runs out at night) they lowered me to about 50mg

i then went through some pain (esp in my legs) for a few days, got onto 16mg subox. doctors are only just now starting to notice how high these doses are, he told me that when i brought some info about how subox doses may be unnecessarily high. so i went down easily to ~8-12mg a day, and i could go lower but would get some rather uncomfortable w/d effects sometimes

i was on suboxone for a few months. one of those months, i was doing all my "goodbye opiates" doses LOL. all of a sudden all these connects opened up (before i did poppies so i didnt get it from the street) so morphine, oxy, oxymorphone, et cedera. that was a comfortable month, but i had to get back onto the suboxone and reschedule my dr appointment so they wouldnt show in my pee lol

so we (mainly, i) decide i am ready to ween off. maybe i am maybe i'm not (i am getting an appt with a counselor/psych... can't hurt when you have insurance). i did it a lot faster than the medical profession would reccomend, giving me a good chance of relapse (which i just had a little mini-relapse right now, a little tramadol.....8)8)) i know i need to totally stay away from opies for a few years for my brain to reset basically but shit, quitting sucks

basically, the suboxone (or any) taper is like this: you go as fast as you are able to stand. if you hurt too much and are writhing rather than sleeping, slow down! if you feel great and are seizing the freakin day, speed up! taper so that you feel moderately below baseline all the time, which can be really tricky, but is the most merciful way

the other way, which the medical profession usually reccomends against because data suggests it leads to relapse (though my doc said go for it) is to "bite the bullet"... do a really rapid taper, like a couple weeks, and just be done with it. that way, in say 2-3 months, you can put it behind you

one thing i'd like to add as a question... quitting both opiates and benzos (i dont know which if either is responsible) has addled my motor coordination, talking ability, and memory. anyone know how temporary that is?
 
HdoubleODeezy said:
are they double scored on the back so it can be broken in 4 .5mg pieces? if so i've had the rivotril ones and the "generic" or blank ones, cant remember the name of them. maybe some http://images.google.com/ to find the exact ones you have.. sorry thats all i can think of, i have script of them so i dont need to resort to buying off the internet anymore, thank god..
but if you're doubting they're real, chew one up or snort one and see if its got that "minty" taste or feel to it.
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they were good!
 
my wife made me flush my clonazepam down the toilet and called my sub doc and told him not to put me on it anymore because she didnt like how it made me a little drowsy at night(like when i am sitting on the couch,i just kinda close my eyes and relax after a 8-10hr work day) but now im screwed, im out of everything, is there anyway to go to another doc and ask for a refill...by the way, id rather have them refill my xanax, wife didnt have a problem with me taking that as it was shorter acting and i wasnt drowsy from it(only took it for anxiety at work), but my sub doc wont RX anything! help me! i have all my bottles...no insurance though...anyway i can go to a doc and say i just got done with detox and need a refill on my xanax as i am done with my sub doc(he is also an anesthesiologist,spelling?)....
 
so you're off sub now, but your wife told your sub doc to cut you off from clonaz just like that? i hope you havent been using too long or some serious complications can develop

about the sedation, clonazepam is the LEAST sedating benzo pretty much. it is sedating at first, but by week 2-4, you're used to the drug enough that you're functional

but if you want another long acting benzo, diazepam/valium has a long duration (and stronger buzz than clonazepam imo)

if you can't get anything rx'd at all, and you REALLY feel you need a benzo, there is a "legal benzodiazepine" aka phenazepam. not sure how much i'm allowed to say, but i know can't say where to get it
 
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