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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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destiny_days said:
Hey Guys!.

Am new here.

Am from the UK (England).

I've been on Subutex for 5 years now. Currently on 1.5mgs having Tapered from 12mgs. Hardly had any problems.

My query is do you have to use a Short-Acting-Opiate to get off sub? is that what this thread is about?. If so then which SAO??????......People always say SAO is not a good idea as it will prolong withdrawals and hardly make a difference.

What comfort meds help withdrawals & PAWS.

How should i taper from 1.5mgs? I got 0.4mgs and 0.2mgs. I got valium, tamezepam, ativan ,zopiclone, trazodone, quinine-sulphate, dihydrocodeine, co-codamol, tramadol. Lofexidine (simmilar to Clonidine). Got prozac too. Would these help with subutex withdrawals? do i even need of any of them if i taper slow and low?. Which of these would be best to use for few weeks and taper off?. Are supplements such as Valerian root and 5htp more better then these i mentioned above?.

Sorry for the questions, its just that i want to be best prepared i can be and i can't seem to find anyone even on the net who has tapered of Subutex/Suboxone/Buprenorphine/Buprenex and stayed clean for 6 months.

Is there hope? which is the best route and what is a good taper and what are good meds or opiates or whatever to use while detoxing from Subutex and few weeks after????????.


Thank you.
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This thread is about all things buprenorphine related (ORT, Suboxone, Subutex, Buprenex, etc) and there's a directory to major sub-Suboxone threads, in the 2nd or 3rd post (I forget). Anyways, I would not use a short acting opiate to get off Suboxone, just taper down to < 1mg, and probably < 0.5mg. Good luck! And welcome to Bluelight. :)
 
So where can i ask questions about tapering and comfort meds and withdrawals of Sub?.....I've searched but can't really find any useful info.

Is there anyone out there who has tapered sub after long-term use and stayed clean? and what worked for them. Any tips? please?.

Thank you!.
 
^Right here and here.

As for success stories, this thread, and Captain Heroin has his own thread over on TDS.

I'm sure there's more, but the search engine is starting to act up; lots of good info in TDS and OD. :)
 
well, I've kept my dosage of suboxone at a steady 1 mg/day for a complete 2 weeks and a couple days. Strange thing has been happening lately when I I.V it, I feel like I taste heroin once the suboxone starts to kick in. I know this sounds rediculous, and people might say it's placebo, but I'm sure it's not, I KNOW that taste. Has anyone else experienced this?

I'm thinking about trying to taper down even more. I usually dose .5 in the morning, and then two doses of .25 over the period of the day. A few times I've managed to only take .75, but I felt I was really toughing it. In the morning it's really hard for me to go any less than .5 for some reason, but tomorow I'm thinking of challenging myself. I feel real hesitant however to taper down anymore for now (though I want to) because as it is, there are periods during the day, where I'm really struggling to wait out the time till my next administration. Anyone have any advice?
 
hi i have a few questions about sub dtox, first i had another post because i got kicked of cold turkey for being hot for amphetamines even though they give me adderall, i couldnt get my one script filled,

before this all happened i have been on sub two yrs, 12 to 16 mgs a day, then i got a letter from my insurance about preaprroval etc, so i cut down to eight mgs, then that is when the doc cut me, dont want to go over it again i have another thread but i had four mgs left, i started taking one mg daily then i was able to at least buy them, i now have twenty three eight mgs and could probably buy more

i am now taking two to three mgs daily and feel pretty good .

the reason i am in here now is i am gonna quit i have to, there are no other docs that take my insurance and the pills are to expensive

i wanted to ask anyone who has weaned down how much did you cut down at a time, and at what time intervals,

i have loads of vistiril, clonidine, adderall, and i could get a few xanax but prefer not to go down that road before

i could probably appeal this but i am tired of all of it, i was on heroin for yrs, then methadone for a long time and now this, i dont want to have to depend on doctors or whatever after this . i liked suboxone but even though it is not as strictly monitored like methadone, you still have to be at the doctor;s mercy

so anyone who is quitting and have been on it long like me could give me some advice, my dad holds my meds and gives me what i need so i do have support, you could even email me or msg me instead of posting,

also i have not taken sub sublingually for over a yr, either snort or plug, i never shoot either, would it be better for me to keep snorting or should i take sublingually
thanks
 
this thread is great for suboxone discussion like what you wanna talk about.
but there is also TDS The Dark Side and they have a lot of good info over in that forum also i got this link from there:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=307488

its about getting over opiate addiction, it might have a few pointers in there for you. the only times i've been clean was when i was forced to be in jail and ive been on subs 3 years now and plan to be on them for life so im not much help talking to about getting clean.. sorry :\
 
suboxone has almost always kept withdrawl away, 100 percent for me. i acutally felt it worked a lot better the first few days as opposed to having to getting used to it before all ur wd's goes away.

zneg...the only thing that helps keep my mind off dosing is., like i said, weed. but thats not an option for everyone, that just happens to work for me. if u can, go out and hang with your peoples.(a lot better for your state of mind, if none of these people are shooting up or doing things that will bring your mind back to dosing) i find hanging out with my friends (skateboarding, goin out whatvever you like to do) for long periods of time, is the very best way to keep my mind away from the black hole that is addiction. avoid boredom basically man.. im still unable to dose any lower than 1mg a day as well, ill let you know when i am stable on a lower dose and how i feel, etc, when i get there.

now its been about 14 hours since the last dose for me(sometimes i can randomly last 24 hours without dosing, usually if ive been staying away from my bupe for long periods) im about to do a nice .5mg and catch up on breaking bad. peace yall.
 
ha, your the man needlejuice. shooting sub and watching tv.. story of my life.

your right though. I can't wait till my friends get home from college, then I'll have something to do. I can't really smoke weed because it makes me paranoid as fuck, but I have noticed in the past that benzo's have helped. I'm also considering kava and kratom when I get a little bit of money together.
 
Znegative said:
well, I've kept my dosage of suboxone at a steady 1 mg/day for a complete 2 weeks and a couple days. Strange thing has been happening lately when I I.V it, I feel like I taste heroin once the suboxone starts to kick in. I know this sounds rediculous, and people might say it's placebo, but I'm sure it's not, I KNOW that taste. Has anyone else experienced this?
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I get it all the time man. I know it sounds ridiculous too. I mean I taste dope in my mouth right now, and I did my shot of 0.2 mg buprenorphine about... 3-5 minutes ago. I had about ten units in a 0.3 cc syringe, 31G, got a nice register. Pushed it in, pulled it out, cleaned out the needle and put something on the site to prevent blood from staining the skin. Now I have a rush.

I really do get the dope taste in my mouth too though, it's weird as fuck.

I'm thinking about trying to taper down even more. I usually dose .5 in the morning, and then two doses of .25 over the period of the day. A few times I've managed to only take .75, but I felt I was really toughing it. In the morning it's really hard for me to go any less than .5 for some reason, but tomorow I'm thinking of challenging myself. I feel real hesitant however to taper down anymore for now (though I want to) because as it is, there are periods during the day, where I'm really struggling to wait out the time till my next administration. Anyone have any advice?
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Well my advice is to try 0.4mg or 0.35mg in the morning, and then 0.25mg later in the day. Slowly work your morning dose down to 0.25mg. Then start taking your dose down by 0.05mg or 0.01mg at a time, whatever you feel comfortable with.

If you feel you need more time adjusting to your dose, don't hesitate to maintain where you are now.

Though it is a challenge, it is rewarding to keep tapering, so I congratulate you on how far you've gotten. :)
 
thanks for the response CH. have you found that the more you taper, the better of a buzz the subs give you? That's one of my main reasons for going down (a long with wanting to be able to get off suboxone with more ease). I know so far, that has been the case with me. when I was doing 2 mg shots, it just sucked, and even when I was doing a total of 2 mg a day, the effect i got was much less pronounced than it is now with 1 mg. I know we've discussed this previously, but I'm just wondering at what point does tapering down start to diminish effect, or does it ever? (it would be awsome to get to a point where you could shoot 1 microgram and get high as fuck, haha)
 
Znegative said:
thanks for the response CH. have you found that the more you taper, the better of a buzz the subs give you?
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I sure do. I am surprised too, because buprenorphine is so much more potent than heroin. Even with pure heroin, you would need more than 1mg, whereas buprenorphine IV'd is potent in the microgram range.

I'm just wondering at what point does tapering down start to diminish effect, or does it ever? (it would be awsome to get to a point where you could shoot 1 microgram and get high as fuck, haha)
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This is something I am still wondering myself!

The lowest I got was 86 mcg per shot. I was having a lot of issues at the time so I put my dose back up to around 200mcg per shot. The last solution I made, is actually 150mcg per shot (I said 200 earlier when I meant to say 150 lol, that's ADHD for you).

I find right now 150 is perfect, I noticed no difference between 200 and 150. I think 0.086mg (86 mcg) was when I noticed "slightly" less intensity of a high with a great rush still though, I just tapered way too quickly (accidentally diluted the solution more than I intended).

It is something I have theorized though; I have always wondered if, theoretically, 10mcg or 1mcg even; would it give me an effect if I tapered slowly enough? I am not sure.

I am very interested in finding out though. At the end of this solution I'll go to 125mcg or 100mcg per shot, and see if I even notice a difference there. I'll keep you updated!

So far though, it's only gotten better. :)
 
tapering with bupe is really interesting. especially if ur banging it. it gives such a feeling of self accomplishment as you taper and get adjusted to your dosing. i cant wait to go really low, i plan on adventuring to the depths the captain is at. and then maybe space it out a few days and jump off with some weed and benzos. im pretty scared cuz i stopped going to my sub doctor. but a lot of my friends get subs and nowadays a whole 8 lasts me so long, so hopefully ill be alright before i jump off, or if it does come to the point where i run out, it mite be a good thing.
 
can i take kratom while i am tapering off subs? if i can could someone suggesta brand or extract i should get a nd a dose please? i dont know shit bout kratom but these sub withdrawls are killing me and a slower taper isnt an option
 
needlejuice said:
tapering with bupe is really interesting. especially if ur banging it. it gives such a feeling of self accomplishment as you taper and get adjusted to your dosing. i cant wait to go really low, i plan on adventuring to the depths the captain is at. and then maybe space it out a few days and jump off with some weed and benzos. im pretty scared cuz i stopped going to my sub doctor. but a lot of my friends get subs and nowadays a whole 8 lasts me so long, so hopefully ill be alright before i jump off, or if it does come to the point where i run out, it mite be a good thing.
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Good luck! Let us know how it goes for you. Tapering is very satisfying this way, you are right. :)

crimsonjunk said:
can i take kratom while i am tapering off subs? if i can could someone suggesta brand or extract i should get a nd a dose please? i dont know shit bout kratom but these sub withdrawls are killing me and a slower taper isnt an option
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I think you can but I am not sure, I have no kratom experience.
 
Taking Vicodin after Suboxone?

Not sure where this would go and couldn't find a clear anwser in the FAQs.

If i took a 8mg suboxone yesterday, 24 hours ago.

Will i feel the vicodin i just took, or will it block it out?

I only took 1 8 mg suboxone, none before that.
 
ABCDFG I Ate The E said:
i only took 1 5/500.

how is 8mg a huge dose, they only make it in 2 nd 8?

so i likely won't be feeling the hydrocodone then?
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8mg is a huge dose because I take 0.15mg at a time, and 8mg per day is a hefty dose for most people. Even when I was first quitting dope, the most I took in a day was 6mg.

You probably won't feel 5mg of hydrocodone, no. If you get lucky you might, but you would need to be sensitive to opiates and have a low opiate tolerance.
 
hi everyone, i am now down to about two to four mgs a day of suboxone from twenty four mgs at first, cut that then got kicked of program i went from eight to two mgs in like one or two days, i dont feel wonderful and i am just wondering a few things,

is this in my head really i see so many people feel good cutting down low

how long does it take you guys to get through a dose cut

i was dosing twice a day for a yr, would i be better of dosing the whole two in morning or stay to dosing twice a day

also since i havent used it sublingual for so long, if i switch back to sublingual will i feel even worst

i read alot but when i see peoples answers to me i understand more i guess

i stopped taking the benzo also because i was hooked bad before wish i could use them but for me with benzos one is truly not enough

oh yeah also how many people tried the alcohol sublingual method and did it work
captain heroin, thanks for the pm i will try to mail you when i get chance, i could usually only email when the baby is slleeping which isnt much any more thanks ashla
 
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