Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[qwe]

can anyone answer a simple Q plz... how does loperamide work, if taking suboxone? how does suboxone work after having taken loperamide?

would be odd to have a diarea while high or be constipated while in withdrawal

 

[amblerg]

subutex shot with 31g 1cc BD ultra fines, hell yeah. I usually get like 27-29g but these are nice, so soooo small.

and I get a tuberculin removable needle syringe, remove the needle and make a improvised but very efficient filter. 8mg subutex whole pills, 1cc, clear solution. thats whasup!

 

[Fresco]

the young one will learn to talk BL-Eloquence and spread BL-HReduction-ok-ideas soon enough guys, after a modicum of newb-nibbling

talking about drug psychological addiction is dangerous territory imo though... what about gambling addiction, or ice cream? they all involve chemical changes, but "addiction" and "drug addiction". i can't think of a definition, actually, that would separate addiction and liking... either way there are chemical changes in the brain that cause you to want to do it more. i suppose you could call it an addiction once it becomes self destructive?

Yeah it starts to get a little over-the-top when you look at everything they call addictive nowadays. Dr. Drew Pinsky was on CNN yesterday and said Sandra Bullock was a "love addict". I mean WTF, a love addict??!! Now its starting to get silly IMO, whats next oxygen and water addictions??

 

[onlywant2nod]

Hey Nath,
LOL, that is so funny and cool that you posted some cool sounding info for someone like me, I'm alot like you. Call me Obsessed with getting high as a kite on Opiates, even if it involves smoking my subs, heck after hooking up with a guy from back when I was at the "thorium clinic" lol methadone clinic on mmt 150mg, I suddenly was in the "hell I need to learn to stop being a sissy and afraid to try any drug just once mood" so I just met up with this dude at the "thorium lab lol" after we got "glowing lol" methadone ha ha.

Long story cut short, I wanted "blows" but he kept pushing trying crack, so I and him got into his old "hive" lol house and so I rushed right to that crack pipe and sucked that smoke straight down my throat, ha ha using a deepwell socket and just the pad lol. Since I used to like working on cars, taking em apart etc, I thought it was funny to feel almost like my 1st vicodin buzz the first time I really WOO WOO felt the kiss and love of a new "buddy" Crack lol.

SOOOO, I mentioned to CaptainHeroin or he gave me advice when I asked after suddenly buuzzzz POP!! lol "lightbulb pops above my head" I suddenly before you posted about smoking my subs and "the Captain" advised me "no not good to smoke subs", lots of filler etc to get caught in my lungs and possibly cause other mess etc.

So, now you got me "buzzin" meaning now that someone talked proof of feeling REAL good, instead of just "maintained", now I'm dying to get buzzed on smoking my subs lol. I'm not afraid to try anything new now, after feeling like I "stooped so low as to smoke crack on mmt". Well I'm shocked how my horoscope is so right 90% of the time or more. Well today I've been unusually uncomfortable all day for some reason, WOW holy crap when I read my horoscope, it stated mood: uncomfortable. Wow amazing.

So do you notice anything when you smoke your subs as far as it bothering your lungs etc? reason I ask is harm reduction worries, I'm about to get my last 8mg sub this evening after supper and am very anxious to hook up a "rig" just like you smoke crack in and smoke my sub all up and hope to feel REAL nice and finally enjoy a FULL hug from "Opium love from heaven above", then take my last 1mg ativan of the night and really sit on cloud 9. BUT I dont want to "waste myself either" lol I mean OD.

I keep saying to myself I will do anything and everything I can to never OD, because out of concern and care for us junkies as a true "family unit". I dont want to UUGGGHH, make my town paper, GAWD, that's all I would need or worse yet all the ignorant dea would need to really push the "pathetic" so called "war on drugs war on freedom to live and feel how we want to". It would also make alot of others sad and make us look even worse and I DONT want that to happen.

So, outta concern of OD, do you think I would be safe smoking all up my 8mg sub and then wait an hour and then gulp down my last 1mg ativan for the night?, btw, "captain" I hope I didn't offend you, but you seem to know ALOT about harm reduction so I'm leaning on your word 1st, but at the same time, Nath's post got me "itchin" to try it, at the same time I dont want to make you Nath feel bad, I just am in that "uncomfortable mood all day today", probably wont go away until tonite when I sleep so my "computer in my head" lol my soul/spirit can get "defragmented" from today. So I will wake up in hopefully a good mood tomorrow.

Would love to get nice and high for Saturday because I got alot of crap to do that I hate and being buzzed REAL good off my subs would help me to get through the day MUCH better and on Sunday as well so I can get crappy easter behind me and hopefully my f'ed up biorythms will be good to go again so I can enjoy my buzz even better. Lemme know Nath and "captain" too because "I'm on the fringe".
thanks

 

[qwe]

So, outta concern of OD, do you think I would be safe smoking all up my 8mg sub and then wait an hour and then gulp down my last 1mg ativan for the night?

tldr but i came across this. answer:no

 

[Pegasus]

^Yeah, Jesus! Smoking pills is absolutely not safe, and I'm not sure if you're seriously asking us if it is safe because you've been here since 2006, therefore you should know how we feel about smoking pills, binders and all...

 

[five0hate]

^I agree. Never tried it myself ever. A lot of younger kids around my area are crushing OC's and putting them in blunts. Ridiculous.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

So people on bupe can go on with their regular life and go into work normally, correct??
Even on the first day of the bupe program?? No opiate withdrawal at all then right??

Um...the first day I was still in WD. But I was relieved a lot. I don't know if I could have worked, but I probably could have. I wasn't puking/shitting my pants, and I wasn't shaking/having hot/cold flashes either. It was bearable.

If you have a positive reaction to buprenorphine, and it holds you well then you should be fine.

I would say roughly 75% of people who go on Suboxone should be able to go to work the same day they get on, with an adequate dose.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

nath6023 is not to be listened to.

1) do not smoke pills.

2) 8mg Suboxone tablets are 2% active ingredient (buprenorphine). Please do not lie about the lack of inactive ingredients in Suboxone.

3) do not smoke pills.

can anyone answer a simple Q plz... how does loperamide work, if taking suboxone? how does suboxone work after having taken loperamide?

would be odd to have a diarea while high or be constipated while in withdrawal

I don't know man. I know Suboxone can cause constipation, even at low doses. I wouldn't try taking loperamide out of fear of severe constipation.

So, outta concern of OD, do you think I would be safe smoking all up my 8mg sub and then wait an hour and then gulp down my last 1mg ativan for the night?, btw, "captain" I hope I didn't offend you, but you seem to know ALOT about harm reduction so I'm leaning on your word 1st, but at the same time, Nath's post got me "itchin" to try it, at the same time I dont want to make you Nath feel bad, I just am in that "uncomfortable mood all day today", probably wont go away until tonite when I sleep so my "computer in my head" lol my soul/spirit can get "defragmented" from today. So I will wake up in hopefully a good mood tomorrow.

You can try it, I'm sure it can't be any more dangerous than back-loading Suboxone into a rig, cold shaking it, and then IVing.

I just don't think it will be effective at all. I think buprenorphine hcl was not manufactured to be smoked, and will probably be partially destroyed due to the heat.

1mg lorazepam won't kill you while on buprenorphine, but stick to 1mg and don't take 20x as much (like some people have a tendency to do).

^Yeah, Jesus! Smoking pills is absolutely not safe, and I'm not sure if you're seriously asking us if it is safe because you've been here since 2006, therefore you should know how we feel about smoking pills, binders and all...

Exactly. Thank you for the voice of reason, BW. I wouldn't smoke 2% pure BTH, and I certainly wouldn't smoke a Suboxone tablet.

subutex shot with 31g 1cc BD ultra fines, hell yeah. I usually get like 27-29g but these are nice, so soooo small.

and I get a tuberculin removable needle syringe, remove the needle and make a improvised but very efficient filter. 8mg subutex whole pills, 1cc, clear solution. thats whasup!

You can see why I only get 31g insulin syringes for IV now, right? 31g is the best.

 

[five0hate]

1mg lorazepam won't kill you while on buprenorphine, but stick to 1mg and don't take 20x as much (like some people have a tendency to do).

I thoroughly enjoy ativan with suboxone. Or with any other opiate for that matter, but taking too much can be absolutely lethal (as I am sure all the seasoned addicts are aware... opi's + benzo's = death cocktail). I am definitely one who has a tendency to overdo it though. Sometimes you just can't get high enough, anyone else have that problem? haha!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I thoroughly enjoy ativan with suboxone. Or with any other opiate for that matter, but taking too much can be absolutely lethal (as I am sure all the seasoned addicts are aware... opi's + benzo's = death cocktail). I am definitely one who has a tendency to overdo it though. Sometimes you just can't get high enough, anyone else have that problem? haha!

Nope I get plenty high.

Then again, lorazepam is my least favorite benzo that I imbibe. I think temazepam is the best benzo by far. Ever try it?

 

[five0hate]

Nope I get plenty high.

Then again, lorazepam is my least favorite benzo that I imbibe. I think temazepam is the best benzo by far. Ever try it?

Nope, I haven't. I definitely favor lorazepem over any benzo. At least the ones I've tried... valium, kolonopin, xanax... I know there are a lot available and a lot of them I've never done.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Nope, I haven't. I definitely favor lorazepem over any benzo. At least the ones I've tried... valium, kolonopin, xanax... I know there are a lot available and a lot of them I've never done.

Cool. I like lorazepam because it isn't as sedating as the others. It's definitely for sure better than clonazepam. Diazepam lasts too long IMO. Some people love alprazolam, others don't.

I prefer hypnotic benzos (midazolam, loprazolam, temazepam, triazolam, flurazepam).

 

[DexterMeth]

^The hypnotics are definately the "best feeling" imo..

 

[onlywant2nod]

thumbs up to the Captain again

Thanks again Captain Heroin, I just had a hunch not to listen to a greenlighter, I tend to listen to someone with lots of documented truth, like you. I admire you for your professional sounding advice, but due to my sad mental disability I still have trouble accepting or having patience dealing with trying to work around it(my disability).

So I rushed back to memories of rotten lessons learned the rotten way, because I keep getting distracted from the truth, when I should listen to "real" friends and so in the past have suddenly got sidetracked and did something I was told "oh dont do it!, you will regret it for the rest of your life" sadly I didn't listen, just because I wanted a buzz for a month or 2 just like Heroin felt. Sadly the board I'm no longer on, is unable to hear me apologize for not listening to a close friend, so I now for the rest of my life will regret, rushing to the "thorium plant" lol the mmt clinic.

Well I'm going to listen this time Captain and, you are right I will not listen to nath, I will listen to you, thank God I took my sub under the tongue as I'm used to tonite. Oops someone woke up and said "get to bed lol" I can't believe how strange I feel with the "thorium lol methadone" still fighting subs, yet I'm still pretty awake at 1:48am. I better sleep good.

night

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Thanks again Captain Heroin, I just had a hunch not to listen to a greenlighter, I tend to listen to someone with lots of documented truth, like you. I admire you for your professional sounding advice, but due to my sad mental disability I still have trouble accepting or having patience dealing with trying to work around it(my disability).

So I rushed back to memories of rotten lessons learned the rotten way, because I keep getting distracted from the truth, when I should listen to "real" friends and so in the past have suddenly got sidetracked and did something I was told "oh dont do it!, you will regret it for the rest of your life" sadly I didn't listen, just because I wanted a buzz for a month or 2 just like Heroin felt. Sadly the board I'm no longer on, is unable to hear me apologize for not listening to a close friend, so I now for the rest of my life will regret, rushing to the "thorium plant" lol the mmt clinic.

Well I'm going to listen this time Captain and, you are right I will not listen to nath, I will listen to you, thank God I took my sub under the tongue as I'm used to tonite. Oops someone woke up and said "get to bed lol" I can't believe how strange I feel with the "thorium lol methadone" still fighting subs, yet I'm still pretty awake at 1:48am. I better sleep good.

night

Glad to hear man! As time goes on I think Suboxone will do a better job at satisfying you. At first I still had a smaller degree of opiate WD symptoms, but now I have nearly none! 17 months clean from heroin and I'm doing much better.

So what was methadone WD like? I've never had it, so you can tell me what it's like for you.

 

[rolls_]

Why do you keep talking about thorium, that is a radioactive element lol.

 

[amblerg]

I can get a whole 8mg subutex into 1cc of CRYSTAL CLEAR solution without a micron filter.

how you may wonder.....


I get a removable tip tuberculin syringe, holds 1cc. remove the needle tip.
crush subutex, add 1cc of ice cold water in spoon.
stir a bit
add cotton
now, get the 1cc needle-less syringe and press that into the cotton with a little bit of force
pull back the clear bupe solution
then backload this into your new BD 31g 1cc 5/16 insulin syringe

idk how it gets so nice and clear this way but its great

 

[five0hate]

Cool. I like lorazepam because it isn't as sedating as the others. It's definitely for sure better than clonazepam. Diazepam lasts too long IMO. Some people love alprazolam, others don't.

I prefer hypnotic benzos (midazolam, loprazolam, temazepam, triazolam, flurazepam).

Yeah, it's not sedating in moderate doses. But like you said, some people have a tendency to overdo it. I've blacked out many of times from taking 9-10 mg's of the stuff. It's ugly. Never tried any of the hypnotic ones. But I am definitely interested. But benzo's are pretty hard to find on the street in my area & I can't get a Dr. to prescribe me anything addicting because I'm red flagged.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I can get a whole 8mg subutex into 1cc of CRYSTAL CLEAR solution without a micron filter.

how you may wonder.....


I get a removable tip tuberculin syringe, holds 1cc. remove the needle tip.
crush subutex, add 1cc of ice cold water in spoon.
stir a bit
add cotton
now, get the 1cc needle-less syringe and press that into the cotton with a little bit of force
pull back the clear bupe solution
then backload this into your new BD 31g 1cc 5/16 insulin syringe

idk how it gets so nice and clear this way but its great

Some particles dissolve into water clear, so this doesn't necessarily mean your solution is free of corn starch. Corn starch particles can be smaller than 1 micron, so I would theorize that you just aren't seeing some of the inactives in your solution.

I've only had access to one 8mg Subutex tablet, and I micron filtered it - and it was clear as well.

I noticed that one 8mg Subutex tablet in 8ml, while smaller than Suboxone, took longer to dissolve than 4 of the 8mg Suboxone tablets in 16ml. I'm not sure why Subutex takes longer to dissolve.

Yeah, it's not sedating in moderate doses. But like you said, some people have a tendency to overdo it. I've blacked out many of times from taking 9-10 mg's of the stuff. It's ugly. Never tried any of the hypnotic ones. But I am definitely interested. But benzo's are pretty hard to find on the street in my area & I can't get a Dr. to prescribe me anything addicting because I'm red flagged.

Yeah, that's why I like to save benzos for when they're truly needed. I know someone who would take up to 20mg plus of lorazepam. While on buprenorphine, and be 100% intoxicated (to the point of smearing food all over their face).

You can't get midazolam or loprazolam in the states anyways, they're not RX'd for insomnia in the US. Midazolam is available as a preoperative medication but not as an RX, AFAIK. Midazolam and loprazolam (in a class called imidazobenzodiazepines) are more available in Europe.

Triazolam isn't preferable as a prescription hypnotic due to a long list/large frequency of side effects, and extremely short duration. It's a triazolobenzodiazepine, in the same class as alprazolam (xanax).

What do you mean by red-flagged? Did you tell him about prior drug abuse?