Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[jake99]

yeah i dont know how long ill last cold turkey . kinda like quitting smoking

 

[qwe]

we'll see how i fare as well. w/d sucks ass

 

[Dr Pepper]

So today i dropped to .25mg of sub (just crushed 4mg up, separated into 8 piles, snorted half one of those. Bout to gelcap the rest. Yesterday i took .5 mg, the day before 1mg, the day before 4mg which got me high as fuck/pretty nauseated and was way 2 much i realize. My heroin habit was very short lived, only 1 month of pretty modest shooting and before that 1-2 months of snorting/plugging every weekend or every other weekend. When i'd take oxy, it'd be 80-100mg to get high as fuck.. but that was before the heroin. Ill prob take .25 sub tomorrow, then just drop to .125(estimated) mg per day for a while. I'm staying on this and not jumping off yet because i need to be very productive for the next week and this shit gets me really motivated, otherwise i'd just stop right now and switch to low dose hydrocodone (an opiate that has quite a decent side effect profile, mostly nausea/hardcore itchies for me, and not too much potential for abuse) for a few days. Also i do have chronic pain which is what got me into opiates into the 1st place, and being on painkillers lets me deal with the problem instead of being depressed and sulking around, not accomplishing anything while i think about the pain. My outlook on life has completey changed though, for the better, as i've defeated my old negative paradigms, so i dont think i need this crutch much longer.
Anyways, to the question: I just acquired 10 7.5/325 hydrocodones, as well at 6 promethazine (phenegran) 25mg suppositories from 2005. How low of a sub dose would i need to be maintaining on for those hydros (maybe 50mg?) to get me high? I have about a week to drop my dose, and im pretty confident i could be fine on under .1mg/day if i snort/plug it. I cant use it for at least a week as im staying completely sober till i get urine tested for a new job (at PPD,i'll be putting in people's iv's, taking ekg's, etc.. good 1st real job besides working for parents, especially since i wanna get into medical/pharmaceutical fields.)

Also, will the suppositories be good still? They said use by 2006.. were perscribed in 2005..Promethazine HCL by G&W Labs.
Also got etedolac(sp?),.5 lorazepam(x4), a few trazadone and a few ambien(both for sleep), melatonin/shaklee gentle sleep complex.. as well as 2 pieces of nicotine gum (today is day 2 of a serious attempt to quit, been feeling great though!!) so i'm pretty set. I've never held onto drugs this long, i'm quite impressed with myself. Working out/eating super healthy/often,not drinking any alchy has really helped me stay sober and kept me feeling great, as well as the looming urine test. I havent even smoked weed in a week now, personal record!

Anyways sorry for the huge post, just thought i'd get it all out there.

 

[jaroben]

how long would it take to get addicted to suboxone using it recreational, with zero tolerance. I used to have a huge heroin habit, but tapered down, and got off of suboxone. I've been off for several months.

They say to not take heroin more than 3 days in a row, once each day. Is there a certain period of time in between suboxone doses? Given that half life is much more than heroin, i'm sure it's more, but just wondering if someone smarter than me would know.

I actually took .5mg 8 days ago, and .25mg 41 hours ago. Would I be in the clear to take another small dose?

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

i would think you might be all set to take another small dose if you feel safe doing so (safe as in can control your usage) if you feel you NEED to take it again, i would say don't dose again.. I think it varies person to person how long it takes to become addicted, there's a lot of variables.
but remember, because you were addicted to opiates before it's MUCH easier to become addicted again.
for example: you have a higher risk of addiction than someone who has never been addicted or used a lot of opiates in the past.
I would say for the safest dosing for not getting addicted to subs again, don't dose more than once in 3 days..
that's my .02 someone else might have more to add..
have fun, and remember moderation is key.

 

[jaroben]

thanks for the quick response. i definitely don't feel that I need to take it(w/d or psychological wise). I just have some time off before I move to AZ, and want to spend the day on a happy partial opiate agonist buzz.

I think I agree with your once every three days to keep physical addiction at bay, as far as suboxone goes.

We'll see what the day brings.

 

[amblerg]

I go to my sub doctor once monthly. he did that introductory week check up thing.
he's pretty cool. he also does like general family practice and sometimes i feel that he treats his addiction patients like they are less valuable and rushes me out of the exam room.
He does not take insurance for any addiction patients and each visit must be paid ($100) in cash on the spot.

so far the therapy has been working out really well and kept me clean for months.

is my doctor ripping me off?

 

[qwe]

waiting more than a few months allows your tolerance to go closer to normal. if you had a previous habit, be very careful. it'll shoot up fast. and withdrawal can come back easily too if it's only been a couple months since quitting

 

[FlawedByDesign]

I go to my sub doctor once monthly. he did that introductory week check up thing.
he's pretty cool. he also does like general family practice and sometimes i feel that he treats his addiction patients like they are less valuable and rushes me out of the exam room.
He does not take insurance for any addiction patients and each visit must be paid ($100) in cash on the spot.

so far the therapy has been working out really well and kept me clean for months.

is my doctor ripping me off?

^gawddamn, $100 bucks a week and he refuses your insurance? Is that a common thing with sub doctors? Ive been thinking about going to see a doctor but its lookin like its way cheaper to just get it on the street

 

[amblerg]

^gawddamn, $100 bucks a week and he refuses your insurance? Is that a common thing with sub doctors? Ive been thinking about going to see a doctor but its lookin like itd be way cheaper to just get it on the street

nah, I see him on a once-per-month basis now.

 

[pally pete]

sorry if these questions have already been answered,i have browsed through this thread first before making this post.

i will be trying buprenorphine sublingual tabs for the first time tomorrow,i have an 8mg tab,how would be best for me to take it?

crush it up and divide into 4 or 8 doses and then put under my tongue until dissolved?

how long will it be before it begins to take effect? and if so and when should i redose?

do the tabs break up if you try and split them apart or do they crumble?

ive never done heroin or any opiates before apart from a tiny bit of morphine....how are these most likely going to make me feel?

how long will the effects last?

sorry about all the questions,just dont want to fuck my self up.

any help much appreciated, thanks

 

[qwe]

^ use 0.5 mg (a sixteenth of a 8mg) at first. with no tolerance, 1-2mg could have you puking 24-48 hours which you don't want

subox lasts a long time. just redose when you no longer feel high. remember its long half life means whatever you take will build on top of whatever you previously took. without tolerance it'd probably last most of the day and you'll notice effects tomorrow too

they are going to make you feel high/noddy/floaty

they break apart fine

to dose i'd split the 8mg into 0.25mg pieces (32 pieces!), take 0.25 mg every half hour to an hour until you're at the point where you want to be

 

[pally pete]

^ use 0.5 mg (a sixteenth of a 8mg) at first. with no tolerance, 1-2mg could have you puking 24-48 hours which you don't want

subox lasts a long time. just redose when you no longer feel high. remember its long half life means whatever you take will build on top of whatever you previously took. without tolerance it'd probably last most of the day and you'll notice effects tomorrow too

they are going to make you feel high/noddy/floaty

they break apart fine

to dose i'd split the 8mg into 0.25mg pieces (32 pieces!), take 0.25 mg every half hour to an hour until you're at the point where you want to be

thanks for the info,very much appreciated %)

how do you break them apart? i have no nails and i struggle to break a normal pill in half let alone these tiny buprenorphine into 16 equal pieces.

cut with a blade?

 

[Dr Pepper]

Anybody on that promethazine question?
I have 25 mg prometh HCL suppositories, G&W Labs, from 2005. They havent been refrigerated, just in a medicine cabinet of a friend of mine who let me have them.
Ill prob be using one tonight and i just wanted to know if anybody had experience with old supppositories. Should they be fine? Granted, im still going to take them, just curious if any potency is lost because it says use by 2006.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I go to my sub doctor once monthly. he did that introductory week check up thing.
he's pretty cool. he also does like general family practice and sometimes i feel that he treats his addiction patients like they are less valuable and rushes me out of the exam room.
He does not take insurance for any addiction patients and each visit must be paid ($100) in cash on the spot.

so far the therapy has been working out really well and kept me clean for months.

is my doctor ripping me off?

My doctor accepts my insurance. I wouldn't say he's "ripping you off", but he is doing it for the money. A lot of them do. I would suggest you look into new doctors who would accept your insurance.

 

[qwe]

thanks for the info,very much appreciated %)

how do you break them apart? i have no nails and i struggle to break a normal pill in half let alone these tiny buprenorphine into 16 equal pieces.

cut with a blade?

they have a score so it's easy to break in two. then break those in two. yeah i guess a blade would be useful. the pills are tiny? i thought the 8mgs were big

 

[Dr Pepper]

Also, i shot .5 mg of suboxone today. I normally snort .5-.25 mg to feel good/motivated/energetic. I had taken a 25 mg promethazine suppository that was referenced in my previous questions (which i'd still like an answer for..) After the shot, my pupils dilated immensely(looked like i was tripping), i got sweaty/hot, and then after about 2 minutes my eyes started pinning out hard, and they're still pinned. This leads me to believe that the naxalone displaced my endogenous opioids causing precipitated w/d's (i have very little experience with w/d as my habit wasn't too great) and then the bupe kicked in shortly after. Any other theories? Thanks
Dr Pepper

 

[daddysgone]

Also, i shot .5 mg of suboxone today. I normally snort .5-.25 mg to feel good/motivated/energetic. I had taken a 25 mg promethazine suppository that was referenced in my previous questions (which i'd still like an answer for..) After the shot, my pupils dilated immensely(looked like i was tripping), i got sweaty/hot, and then after about 2 minutes my eyes started pinning out hard, and they're still pinned. This leads me to believe that the naxalone displaced my endogenous opioids causing precipitated w/d's (i have very little experience with w/d as my habit wasn't too great) and then the bupe kicked in shortly after. Any other theories? Thanks
Dr Pepper

I understand your logic behind thinking the naloxone displaced your endogenous opioids, but it does not work that way.
As has been said again and again, the naloxone in suboxone has no effect due to bupes MUCH greater affinity. So when you administered the suboxone, you simultaneously administered naloxone and bupe. When these 2 substances are in your system at once, the naloxone has NO chance at binding to your receptors because the bupe will outcompete it for your receptors.-DG

 

[Dr Pepper]

So why did my pupils get MASSIVE, along with other symptoms of precipitated withdrawal? I've only been taking .25-.5 sublingual or snorted for about 4 days now, so .5mg IV 24 hours after my last dose shouldn't have caused that. Im kinda high now, not too high, but feeling great.

On another note:
I have 1.5mg scopolamine transdermal patches. Never fucked with deleriants before..
curious as to what a good dose is to potentiate opiates (buprenorphine or hydrocodone), and what i should expect.
Also, anybody know what a good dose is for the deliriant effects?
Thanks

 

[pally pete]

they have a score so it's easy to break in two. then break those in two. yeah i guess a blade would be useful. the pills are tiny? i thought the 8mgs were big

yeah there tiny made by arrow generics.